I was thinking a lot the last days and i would like to ask you what should i go for? The currently most powerful 1Ghz G4 Pegasos 2 to run AmigaOS 4.1, or something like SAM440ep-flex at 733Mhz?

What are the advances and disadvances of these 2 systems?

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@HKvalhe

Well, the Pegasos-2 is definately faster because of it's 1GHz G4 CPU. However it is old now, so you take more of a risk buying out-of-warranty hardware. But it still may last many years if taken care of properly.

Sam is new, albeit slower processor, but has USB 2.0 and SATA and Comes with warranty. Sam also can only run OS4 or linux, whereas on Peg-2 you could run MorphOS, OS 4.1, or Linux.

So which do you want? :)

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@HKvalhe

I would choose a Peg2 because it's quite faster. It can run stable at ~1250Mhz if you want to overclock it. You can fit AGP and PCI gfx cards (e.g. a 256MB AGP Radeon 9250). It's a reliable and well tested platform and it allows you to install latest MorphOS/Linux versions too if you ever wanted to try out other OSes.

USB works more stable on Peg2 and when OS4.x USB2 drivers appear you can simply fit a NEC/VIA USB2 card and enjoy faster speeds. You can also fit a SATA controller if you want. Ordering from www.dealextreme.com will make costs lower.

Last edited by Crumb on 04-Nov-2009 at 09:16 PM.

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@HKvalhe
Also a TON of work went on for OS4.1.1 on Sam where it runs 100 times better than OS4.1 (way faster, snappier and without bugs).
4.1.1 Was never seen on a pegaso2 as of now (I still think it will be out eventually, but it could be later as it was the case with first release).

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@HKvalhe

the " only " advantages to have a Peg II are the cpu that is more powerfull than a sam and the possibility to have also mos.. With the sam, you have a new board, with guarantee, sata, usb 2.0, ddr memory and a cpu that is fast.

Obviously if you are not interested on MOS, i would get a sam, but if you would like to use also MOS, then the choice is the Pegasos II

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@Crumb
If it can be of any interest Acube has a new version of Debian for Sam with runs very fast (totally rewritten and Sam optimized Kernel).
It was shown at Pianeta Amiga 2009 along side 4.1.1

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@DAX

Since various core team members (e.g. one of the Friedens) use Peg2 as main machine I don't think there's any problem.

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@HKvalhe

Pegasos, if you can find one in mild condition.
I believe it has AGP slot, which is advancement towards all PCI Amiga boards and mentioned G4 CPU with Altivec.

SAM is highly integrated system and serves it right - the performance is OK for that
level of CPU, as well is availiable
and newer components can be installed (RAM, SATA HDD & DVD)
in contrast to the extremely picky PCI slot (must CHECK the PCI card voltage)

AmigaOS price is the same.

Linuxes? SAM has Fedora and Ubuntu, I am not sure about the Peg2.

And yes, Peg runs MOS ...

@Crumb
No problem, but I doubt we will see a simultaneous release (poor sales on that platform might lead to a focus/bug squashing sessions, on other systems first).

Anyway, more news on Aos4.1 and Debian for Sam at this address (check the gallery a TON of pictures!!!)

http://www.os4games.it/speciali/pa09_en.html

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@HammerD

Well, actually Peg can now run AmigaOS 4.1 too, and it has Altivec in the G4..

Most people might say that Altivec is the most important thing that can be used until proper SMP-support, i guess..

Still, i need to check around for Peg2-hardware. If i can't get hold of one, no matter if it's old, then it will be a SAM or another new Amiga hardware in 2010 for sure..

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@Crumb

Interesting suggestion, my friend, but i am done with overclocking actually. I am more than happy if i can run it on 1Ghz natively...

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@DAX

Quote:

No problem, but I doubt we will see a simultaneous release (poor sales on that platform might lead to a focus/bug squashing sessions, on other systems first).

That's speculating too much. If a good bunch of OS4 core developers and betatesters use Peg2 you can expect Peg2 version to have more or less the same bug fixing (or more).

About Debian... you won't like to use gnash, java or run heavy javascript on a Sam440 (and probably it won't be fast on peg2 either). Even if you recompile everything optimized for your cpu (Debian woody is that). YellowDogLinux includes LibFreeVec as standard so perhaps it would be a better choice for G4.

Going back to topic: having AGP, DDR ram, stable USB and possibility to add USB2/SATA through cheap PCI cards would make me choose Peg2. Regarding warranty Peg2 is cheaper and with the price difference you could ask bPlan to repair your peg2 in the strange case your peg2 breaks.

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@All

I understand that SAM is new and has warranty and everything that is important, but if it wasn't for the low power CPU without Altivec, then SAM would be an easy choice for me...

I agree a lot with Crumb that there shouldn't be any problems to buy newer cards to house on these PCI-sockets on Pegasos. Like AmigaOne, Pegasos 2 has the advance of big expansions, and it still has DDR memory contra DIMM in AmigaOne...

Until a more powerful and new hardwares to run AmigaOS 4.x appear, i feel that
Pegasos 2 is the best choice. It might be old and hard to get, but that's the reality
of the Amiga market currently, but might likely improve a lot in the coming years,
starting with 2010...

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@HKvalhe

If you find one, get a PegII. It is the most versatile system you can get in
Amigaland and it should be cheaper than a Sam.

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@Zylesea and all

Like i thought. Thank you all for that. Then the choice is quite clear. Now to get hold of such a hardware. For more private information or to reach out a helping hand, it would be wiser to send a private message or something like that, as you might know.

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@All

Please check the Classified section. I have added a wish list there..

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AmigaOS 4.1 with latest updates, or a new powerful
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You can have up to 1.5 GB RAM working in 4.1, SAM Flex is 1 GB max I think, and Sam 440 is 512 max IIRC.

@HKvalhe @Crumb
Altivec optimized software for AmigaOS4.1 is few and far between, Andrea AFXGroup palmatè told me that simply activating "Automatic Altivec Optimizations" in the compiler produces a 3% increase in performance.

Andrea also told me that the Pegasos II port of 4.1 runs slower than a similar spec AmigaOne, ask HIM why, I don't know.

Considering the above, an 800Mhz Sam running 4.1.1 (with USB2.0 finally activated) won't be much different in performance (on AmigaOS at least).

You might be bothered more with ultra slow USB transfers than insignificant speed differences, while ultra complex operations will be slow on any Amiga hardware at the moment (no happiness to be found there, and let's not start with "shi*tty slow" is better than "dead slow", their just both unbearable and to be performed elsewhere).

Last edited by DAX on 04-Nov-2009 at 09:50 PM.
Last edited by DAX on 04-Nov-2009 at 09:49 PM.

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@cv643d

That's extremely useful! Good to know.

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Probably Pegasos 2 G4 1Ghz 1GB DDR-system, ATI Radeon 9250, ESI@Juli PCi-soundcard, all running
AmigaOS 4.1 with latest updates, or a new powerful
Amiga! Fingers crossed!

@DAX

I have to check both opportunites before making the final decision....

I did however see a video of a Peg2 G4-system running AmigaOS 4.1, and
that wasn't even slow. It was quite fast, indeed..

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AmigaOS 4.1 with latest updates, or a new powerful
Amiga! Fingers crossed!