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pavlor 
Re: Who owns what?
Posted on 10-Aug-2014 15:05:54
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@Marky_D_Sahdd

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So why doesn't someone just buy Amiga Inc.? It cant be worth a whole lot more than the licencing fees, at present.


Real price is not price you will hear from people owning Amiga.Inc.

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Re: Who owns what?
Posted on 10-Aug-2014 15:11:44
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Not directly related to the current license discussion, but still one of the most interesting, if not convoluted stories of Gateway (who kept the technology) under Amiga Development LLC:

Amiga Development LLC v Hewlett-Packard Company

Somewhat interesting that this was going on while the AmigaOS revival here was in full swing.


Responding to my own post. Oh well.

Noted in the last link:
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Amiga Development LLC, renamed AD Technologies


That probably explains:
AD TECHNOLOGIES LLC entries

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Re: Who owns what?
Posted on 10-Aug-2014 17:07:17
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They did not acquire the intellectual property for AmigaOS from Gateway. ACER still owns the intellectual property and what few remaining Amiga patents that are still in existance.


Gateway made rather vague statements:

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"It's for the trademark, the Web address--all those kinds of things--and the inventory of Amiga parts, but none of the technology that's been worked on while it was under Gateway's auspices," said Gateway spokesman John Spelich.


Source

"those kinds of things" is somewhat short of clarity. heh.

btw-description of AD Technologies is "a holding company"

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Re: Who owns what?
Posted on 10-Aug-2014 19:06:47
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@number6

That sent me on a bit of a (fruitless) trawl for AD Techonology related docs. :)

On a related note, I suspect that part-ownership of Amiga Inc (to the tune of 4,000,000 shares) could be had, with a bit of horse-trading, for around the sum of $150,000 plus 5 years interest at 12% if one was inclined (give or take legal fees).

The assignment of security of Amino's 4,000,000 shares in Amiga Inc appears to have given Inception the power to register them in their own name should Amino/Amiga Inc default on the $150,000 payment. The new case opened in 2012 between Inception and Amiga suggests that this didn't get paid, and I would guess that Inception took one look at Amiga Inc and decided the 4M shares weren't worth claiming.

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Re: Who owns what?
Posted on 10-Aug-2014 19:19:09
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@Boot_WB

I don't think everyone here knows "inception" by name, so I'll just throw in the reminder:

Inception Group Real Estate LLC v. Amiga Inc

and the result

First glance. 2009 was county court. This 2012 filing shows United States District Court.

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Re: Who owns what?
Posted on 10-Aug-2014 20:25:14
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number6 wrote:
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I don't think everyone here knows "inception" by name, so I'll just throw in the reminder:

Inception Group Real Estate LLC v. Amiga Inc

and the result

#6


And the next round...

(No dockets available yet though)

I love the way that Bill McEwen of Amiga Inc acted as guarantor for the amount that Bill McEwen of Amino had failed to pay on the original judgement. It's so... Amiga.

(Corrected spelling, sorry for any unintentional offense if you're reading Bill )

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Re: Who owns what?
Posted on 10-Aug-2014 20:35:06
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@Boot_WB

Let's stick with Bill McEw(e)n, so readers don't think we've added another entity to this. heh.

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Re: Who owns what?
Posted on 10-Aug-2014 20:46:56
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@Boot_WB

Interesting thought from yet another link about the old case:

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The real question is... "What will they call themselves until they come back as Amiga Inc?" Will they be AITech? AKMOS? AminoAgain, LLC?


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And some months after your 2012 filing...up pops Amiga Games Inc...and then Retro Infinity...and then...

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Re: Who owns what?
Posted on 10-Aug-2014 20:58:37
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Another dead thread rises zombie-like from the grave...

I would be in favor of an x86 port of AmigaOS if the way became open (and that seems unlikely), but I don't think it would be an event that would cause Amiga to rise phoenix-like from the ashes. The most immediate benefit would be that we could run AmigaOS on affordable commodity hardware. Even if that were sufficient impetus to increase the size of the community ten-fold—and I think that's being optimistic—it would still be a tiny community.

Amiga source code is past its sell-by date. But the Amiga-like concept of a system that is both simple and capable is still valid, but at present mostly unexploited.

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Posted on 10-Aug-2014 21:14:30
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@number6

I honestly thought the 2012 case was already common knowledge. So many 'Amiga' companies, so many court cases, it's easy to get lost in it all.

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Re: Who owns what?
Posted on 10-Aug-2014 21:16:25
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@Boot_WB

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I honestly thought the 2012 case was already common knowledge.


It was not.

And I've been too busy with my other threads that reside in the hidden regions of AW. heh.

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Posted on 10-Aug-2014 21:29:44
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@number6

one question, that so called "amiga" story is one big conspiracy den for everybody or what?

personally i see it surfacing all the time and think it might be fun as such only, but what would anyone then need actual "amiga" and its development woes as such anymore?

on the other side how in hell, thinking seriously of all that mistreatment are you still dedicated to the label?

i see only two completely separated ways for enjoyment. either you observe and comment on the history of abuse as philosophical and social exercise. or you ignore it and continue the technical path just to have it explored too.. personally i see better examples for philosophical exercises. should i really ask for opinions at this point?

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Re: Who owns what?
Posted on 10-Aug-2014 21:50:20
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@wawa

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on the other side how in hell, thinking seriously of all that mistreatment are you still dedicated to the label?


Me? No. I'm dedicated to a hopeless fight to get the abuse of our users, our devs, our contributors, our fans to STOP.

The lawyers have no clue how much damage they have caused. And they don't care anyway, because they represent their clients and not you and I.

We have threads here about unpaid developers, that make me ill.

We have project after project scrapped because no one knows who to talk to, what is legal and not, etc. etc. Yeah, there's a big list of Amiga vapor products. AW even has a thread about those. But the stories behind some are legal horror stories as opposed to the abject failure people attribute to them.

Sorry, but I really can't help when moral and ethical bankruptcy becomes a business plan for people who "care" about the community.

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Re: Who owns what?
Posted on 10-Aug-2014 21:51:28
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@wawa

Some comprehensive reading if you're interested:

https://sites.google.com/site/amigadocuments/

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Re: Who owns what?
Posted on 10-Aug-2014 22:26:57
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@number6

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number6 wrote:
@wawa

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on the other side how in hell, thinking seriously of all that mistreatment are you still dedicated to the label?


Me? No. I'm dedicated to a hopeless fight to get the abuse of our users, our devs, our contributors, our fans to STOP.

The lawyers have no clue how much damage they have caused. And they don't care anyway, because they represent their clients and not you and I.

We have threads here about unpaid developers, that make me ill.

We have project after project scrapped because no one knows who to talk to, what is legal and not, etc. etc. Yeah, there's a big list of Amiga vapor products. AW even has a thread about those. But the stories behind some are legal horror stories as opposed to the abject failure people attribute to them.

Sorry, but I really can't help when moral and ethical bankruptcy becomes a business plan for people who "care" about the community.

#6


I think we might start a poll. number6 as the next leader ... Anyone ?

Evert

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Posted on 10-Aug-2014 22:38:58
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@Boot_WB

i might read that, but only to make my own story out of that, to me its comic, otherwise.

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wawa 
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Posted on 10-Aug-2014 22:47:35
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Me? No. I'm dedicated to a hopeless fight to get the abuse of our users, our devs, our contributors, our fans to STOP.


i see and im sort of thankful to have you around, but wouldnt your effort be better served, just to tell people "this is all just crap to get you screwed. start up something independent but with the spirit of the genuine attraction or leave it"?. i mean if somoene starts software project, be it even an operating system, without the legal constraints, its all for good. if anyone starts hardware project without the legal constraints, be it an fpga replica, its all for good. but messing with so called "original source" and stuff is only getting people into trouble, so why even consider it? why even discuss it? it has been years and decades lost for.. you know what.. why bother with that another second????

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Posted on 11-Aug-2014 14:45:57
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As I said above. it looks like all Amiga Inc. owns is a growing amount of debt and a P.O. box in a strip mall. It should be very cheap to buy.

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Posted on 11-Aug-2014 15:18:28
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@Marky_D_Sahdd

please do.

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Posted on 11-Aug-2014 15:36:18
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@jorit2

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I think we might start a poll. number6 as the next leader ... Anyone ?

he's already got my vote.

-- eliyahu

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