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Re: Who owns what?
Posted on 11-Aug-2014 15:10:41
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@Boot_WB

Was just checking the 2003 lawsuit by the landlord instead of 2009 and 2012...

A statement was made that I can not atm confirm, altered slightly on my part to keep it civil for AW:

"the judgement went against Amiga, Inc, Bill McEwen, and his wife and their marital property."

I'm just curious about this, since conjecture continues here and at WRIT about liability, particularly in the new case filed in District Court.

Any idea?

http://gutjahr.free.fr/temp/Inception_v._Amiga.pdf

Hmm...agreement signed by Pentti Kouri.

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@number6

Just on my way out the house, will have a squirrel around later.

Going by the judgements linked above (2009 case with previous judgement(s) attached) the defendent is listed as Amino (and subsequently Amiga Inc), not Bill McEwen personally. I'd be interested to know the source/context of the above paraphrased statement.

Given the 'creative' way of doing business the Amiga Companies have used elsewhere, I'd be surprised if Bill was exposed to any personal liability beyond the initial capital investment.

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@Boot_WB

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Just on my way out the house, will have a squirrel around later.


Are you the new Franko?

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@Rob

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Just on my way out the house, will have a squirrel around later.


Are you the new Franko?


Do I hit the AR button....

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@number6

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@Boot_WB

Was just checking the 2003 lawsuit by the landlord instead of 2009 and 2012...

A statement was made that I can not atm confirm, altered slightly on my part to keep it civil for AW:

"the judgement went against Amiga, Inc, Bill McEwen, and his wife and their marital property."


I'm tending towards the idea that erm, the 'unnamed source' was being a bit figurative here, and referring to Bill's November 2000 $270,000 mortgage, which was presumably sunk into Amiga Inc to finance the paychecks over the Christmas 2000 period (This fits with the Bolton Peck description in the 2003 column of Rich Wood's Amiga IP timeline).
Hence the judgement going against them (or more accurately their interests) and their 'Marital property.'

[EDIT - wrong url pasted - corrected]

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@Boot

I was thinking the other day that the IP timeline could do with a bit of an update.

I hope Bolton Peck was successful with his bicycle business.

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@Rob

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was thinking the other day that the IP timeline could do with a bit of an update.


shoe did one, but it's not available atm

And there were still more changes after that of course.

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So who is making these?

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Re: Who owns what?
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@Marky_D_Sahdd

Sorry for late reply. Just noticed this after linking to this thread.

Info here

In short, this is the company who got slam dunked in the C=Holdings B.V. vs Asiarim lawsuit. All licenses were revoked and more lawsuits have been filed against Asiarim.

further information on the Commodore branch is always available here

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Re: Who owns what?
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@tomazkid

Regarding Newstar Electronics Corporation, I stumbled on this, so just adding it for the historical record:

David Pleasance interview excerpt about 1/2 way down

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Re: Who owns what?
Posted on 19-Oct-2014 14:33:55
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@thread

In response to:

Source question

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If I have to strictly follow what the settlement states, Hyperion has the exclusive right to use ONLY the 4 Amiga "marks" ("AmigaOS," "Amiga OS," "AmigaOne," and "Amiga One"), and only in these forms. Any other use of the Amiga brand, alone or with other words (except OS and One following it), is exclusively reserved to the owner (Amiga Inc?).


Just to clarify "any other use of"...you mean for Hyperion Entertainment and not others, since this wouldn't explain the "Amiga Mini", and the problem the user of the term encountered in the thread linked below.

this -would- explain it though


Another interesting bit is explained:
Here

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The agreement also allows Amiga Inc to co-promote but not sell any hardware labeled as like.


Regardless of whether you choose to believe it, this statement would explain posts I have constantly made about Amiga Inc./Games Inc. trying to attach themselves to the Amiga Mini historically.

Example


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@number6

if you really must beat me to it, may i ask if the followed wikipedia entry is wrong:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperion_Entertainment
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In 30 September 2009, the US courts forced Hyperion and Amiga, Inc into settlement. As grounds for the settlement, Hyperion were granted an exclusive right to develop and market their OS and subsequent versions with the name AmigaOS.[17] However, the "Amiga" trademark remained with Amiga, Inc. and was then also sold to other parties, including Commodore USA and iContain. This meant that "Amiga" branded hardware could and would be sold without AmigaOS 4.[18]

and if it is, why it has not been corrected? because it clearly separates brands "amiga" from "amigaos" and as we witness, it had and still has practical consequences since ainc is repeatedly licensing amiga brand to other parties. whether any of us agree with this politics or not is another matter, but none has challenged it in any official form other than hollow claims on forums, so i think it is effectively constituted beyond doubt.

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@wawa

Without drafting a post a mile long, which would also likely serve more to confuse than enlighten, I'll summarize in opinion only:

Until such time as someone makes another public legal challenge...things remain as they are.

Simple, eh?

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@number6

so what purpose serves this thread? to bury the answers under loads of evidence?

ive followed your advice and am asking really a simple question here. is this a current state of affairs as far as we, the public, are concerned? correct? yes or no?

if there is no definite answer anyone is bold enough to provide, then it remains as i am insisting on, practically a matter of opinion. case solved.

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@wawa

Everyone is just waiting for the next lawsuit. :P

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@number6: thanks for the links. It means that, if the messages are true (to be verified), actually there's no one that claim the rights regarding the Amiga mark, because the owner is died and the agreement with Amiga Inc. ends on 2025.

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It means that, if the messages are true (to be verified), actually there's no one that claim the rights regarding the Amiga mark, because the owner is died and the agreement with Amiga Inc. ends on 2025.


Coincidentally since Pentti Kouri passed away, you also have a similar situation at Amiga Inc. Therefore if you are seeking truth, you would have to contact the attorney for both his as well as Barry's estate.

Curiosity seekers are simply not going to get answers.
If you have a business proposition, then you will face the signing of NDA, and therefore no way to impart the truth to others.

Welcome to Amiga.

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@number6

NDA's and the "show me the business plan" then they run off with your ideas and try to market them without ever getting a license from an exclusive licensee. You can talk to McEwen and Cohen but dont expect them to take you too seriously. Its fun conversation though.

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Well, at least Amiga Inc.'s attorney is famous. That has to count for something:

Hall Of Shame Member - Where Quality Matters But Legal Ethics Does not

But that alone would not support your contention. (evil grin)

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