@kgrach

It was set on maximum for old Canon BJC printer (on paper, it has a spec of 720x360 DPI resolution). The old Lexmark Z32?s has a maximum of 1200x1200 DPI resolution. The other two respective newer models (i.e. Canon and Lexmark again) are greater than the old models?

PS; Even with my Amiga 3000 days (during years of 1992/1993), I have always avoided purchasing Epson printers for some reason. At the moment I?m reasonably happy with Lexmark** (2nd), Canon (1st) and HP*(3rd).

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@Hammer

We have enough troubles with MOS and AROS without you adding Vs PC Debate

If you are more than happy with a PC then - bully for you - However, please don't keep antagonising other Amigaworld members

Many Thanks

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@Mikey_C

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We have enough troubles with MOS and AROS without you adding Vs PC Debate

One shouldn?t be troubled with MOS or AROS. Note that individuals should be able to talk about said products without going into a debate or into a confrontational mode.

PS; I can't understand why being troubled with MOS and AROS is an issue. They don't have inelastic brand name (refer to the Byte magazine as an example). Are you implying that the Amiga can?t stand on it?s two feet? Unless you have a working time machine, AmigaOS4.0?s level of success is still being written?

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Vs PC Debate

What happens IF said example was MacOS instead?

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If you are more than happy with a PC then - bully for you -

So, this is your interpretation of bullying? All we did was to exchange some information. What happens IF we are at AmigaOS5 would your interpretation change?

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- However, please don't keep antagonising other Amigaworld members

I don?t recall having personally insulted the said individuals. I?m only responding to some the comments made. I haven?t stated anything that personally shame a person.

There are plenty of issues that can pop up when one is dealing with millions of hardware combinations, service patches and third party software interactions.

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bully for you

Unless I'm mistaken, that's a figure of speech meaning "good for you." He wasn't calling you a bully.

@Mikey_C

He started it!!!!

@Fancia

love the Avatar

@Fancia

I didn?t see the non-verbal communication, so I went for the worst case?

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@IonMane

Note that WinXP has deal with administrator defined "group and name security" for its print services.

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If windows was so great it should have set these things up to a fairly optimal lvl and at the very least give compareable results!

I didn?t say "Windows was so great" btw? Should I issue a standard disclaimer with my post?

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How the hell can you even consider trying to defend an os that consumes about 150 times mre HD space

Windows XP comes in with many different flavours i.e. Embedded, Home, Professional, Pre-Install and Media Centre. The Embedded and Pre-Install editions enables an OEM vendor to substantially modify the Windows XP edition. The Pre-Install installation can go down to 80MB.

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And lets not even get into the licensing

What about the licensing issue? Note that certain academic edition enables single software copy to be installed on 3 computers.

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@kgrach

Refer to @GregS's post for the my start to thread.

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Quote: I call them mysterious features because no-one is able to single them out.

Well, somebody listed them out....

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@Mikey_C

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If you are more than happy with a PC then - bully for you -

Note that the individual/personality (i.e. me) shouldn?t be relevant to the said case.

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And I thought all real Windows fans were extinct ...

Seems I was wrong .

@Hammer

How does it feel to be the only one who really appreciates those features such as random writing to harddrive, blue screens of death, thousands of useless "wizards", etc.

Don't expect me to write a complete list of the wonders of Windows since I only "use it" for UAE, games and this .

@Hammer

Man, you must be really dedicated .

@Hammer
"I call them mysterious features because no-one is able to single them out."

"Well, somebody listed them out...."

And none of them seemed substantial, nor overly important, at least to me. While those that were important seemed to have been already addressed or in the process of being addressed.

When it boils down to it while you seem entirely happy with the MS universe, most of us here are very unhappy with it, moreover most of the people I know who use MS and know nothing of the Amiga are also very unhappy. This perhaps is the reality check we really need.

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@salass00

One of the main causes of BSOD is due to non-memory protected areas of Windows NT i.e. namely in device drivers. It's not much different to AOS's Guru Mediation screen.

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random writing to harddrive

Depending on the POV...

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thousands of useless "wizards",

Refer to Lindows 4.0 IF you don't like the Windows example...

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@Hammer
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One of the main causes of BSOD is due to non-memory protected areas of Windows NT i.e. namely in device drivers. It's not much different to AOS's Guru Mediation screen.

Now hang on a moment!! Have you seen the "Grim Reaper" of OS4. This is no "Guru Mediation". We have all the severely lacking controls to kill threads missing from Windows, at the point of a crash, but we have something worth far more -- the crash log.

I hope people understand just how important this is for developers. I have worked with a developer for MS programs and how much he goes through "setting-up" a reported crash so he can look at the code and work out what, if anything, went wrong (75-90% nothing at all with HIS program).

Against this, an OS4 user need only send the developer an email with the crashlog attached, for the developer to immediately be able to locate the problem and potentially fix it. What this will mean in terms of software development is HUGE -- get it HUGE! In other words, no comparison, the only thing that comes close is a full test suite yet this will be on every users machine (you could not ask for a better test environment.

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@GregS

Note that Microsoft has their multi-million dollar customer response and evaluation programs. Anyone who tried evaluation or participate in their beta programs may find an email or two (or n number)requesting an evaluation report regarding their products. In another words, MS is not shooting in the dark in regards customer?s* liked features. Also, this have be balanced with the number of statistical count for the request, product differentiation, budget, time, strategic plans and marketing.

Note that Lindows?s limited success in the desktop market (e.g. Walmart and like) can?t be underestimated. Lindows is not like the other freebe Linux distros i.e. it?s a commercial Linux distro with subscription cost. Coupled this with MacOS X 10.3 then the clues for the included features shouldn?t be that hard find.

Is Safari level web browser ready for beta release?

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When it boils down to it while you seem entirely happy with the MS universe, most of us here are very unhappy with it, moreover most of the people I know who use MS and know nothing of the Amiga are also very unhappy. This perhaps is the reality check we really need.

Let?s ignore Lindows's success shall we?

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I hope people understand just how important this is for developers. I have worked with a developer for MS programs and how much he goes through "setting-up" a reported crash so he can look at the code and work out what, if anything, went wrong (75-90% nothing at all with HIS program).

Closer to home, are you familiar with www.locus.com.au. The software is found in large proportion in Aussie law firms... Using Borland and Oracle makes things easier than mucking around with MS?s IDE/Runtime issues. PS; MS Visual Studio .NET is very Borland like since creator is the same as Delphi.

The middleware issues would be interesting to see in AOS4.

Are you referring to "grim2.png", "grim1.png", "grim3.png", "grim5.png" AOS4 pictures (GDB)?

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@Hammer

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Are you referring to "grim2.png", "grim1.png", "grim3.png", "grim5.png" AOS4 pictures (GDB)?

No I am referring to the Grimreaper I saw in operation at the Canberra demo of OS4 some months back.

I cannot say how pleased I am that MS market researchers users -- somehow they must of missed my neck of the woods where "hate" is a rather mild description of my work collegue's attitude to MS and its products. Then what do we know? we are just teachers trying to teach.

Now the depths of my ignorance about all and sundry in the computer industry cannot be exagerated. There is a lot I don't know and have never heard of, but there are things I do know, limited as they might be, one is that Windows is a terrible OS to work with (I should say battle against).

No amount of arguement works against this experience, nor the experience of once working with an OS which was responsive and under my control (whatever shortcomings it may have had then or may carry over to the future -- at least in the short-term : )

I am destined to spend a good deal of my time in front of a computer of one sort or another -- it is whether I like it or not -- a big part of my time at work and at home. So for me the question is just sooooo simple given Windows or OS4 what would I rather be using? Not hard or difficult question to pose or answer.

Go one step further, given my answer, which computer OS will I be recomending to family, friends and collegues? -- all very subjective but in its own way just as solid as a spec sheet example, perhaps even morese.

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No I am referring to the Grimreaper I saw in operation at the Canberra demo of OS4 some months back.

Note that those were grim ripper screen shots with GDB linkage.
Also note that, MS Visual Studio .NET 2002/2003?s includes a JIT debugger (MDI)?

Refer to http://jrfonseca.dyndns.org/projects/gnu-win32/software/drmingw/ for more information. PS; Dr Watson is the default JIT debugger.

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@Hammer

I prefer a GURU to a BSOD any day .

I can't see how debugging would be any harder with AmigaOS than any other OS. So far I've found and eliminated most if not all bugs from my code using only MuForce, Sushi and MungWall. And I've only managed to GURU it about once or twice, and that was with the program going completely crazy in the computer's memory space .

@salass00

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I prefer a GURU to a BSOD any day .

Agreed.

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I can't see how debugging would be any harder with AmigaOS than any other OS.

Note that I'm not the one who brought up the grim ripper nor started the debugging comparisons...

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