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Re: Anyone heard from Jamie Krueger since Amiga.com death Posted on 7-Sep-2010 15:33:32
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Gdb doesn't work too well, at least here it crashes easily | Read here and down from there
@Jamie Welcome back to "our" side of AmigaOS Last edited by elwood on 07-Sep-2010 at 03:33 PM.
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Re: Anyone heard from Jamie Krueger since Amiga.com death Posted on 8-Sep-2010 4:00:32
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Thanks AlexC,
I am happy to hear that you find the SDK Browser useful, what version are you currently running, and under which release/update of OS4/4.1?
I'm not sure what you mean about the AVD Template being to "unix*ish" and not "amiga*ish* enough, maybe it's the layered structure? (which evolved from writing cross platform software) Anyway, the AVD Template is loaded with Amiga specific features, from List handling to setting itself up as a commodity.
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Thanks for the tips on getting up to speed with the OS/SDK updates, I am working on that now. After which I will be retesting both my current build of the AVD Suite and the currently public version against AmigaOS4.1 Update2.
Question, is everyone out there running OS4.1u2, or are there still users running on AmigaOS4.0?
Best Regards,
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Re: Anyone heard from Jamie Krueger since Amiga.com death Posted on 8-Sep-2010 5:27:18
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I'm running OS4.1u2, but I do know of several users still running 4.0. Glad to see you back... _________________ -- -=#Val#=- Valiant@Camelot
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Re: Anyone heard from Jamie Krueger since Amiga.com death Posted on 8-Sep-2010 8:14:10
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Thanks for the link, will try this one with ggdb and from the Grim Reaper with "Attach to gdb".
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Re: Anyone heard from Jamie Krueger since Amiga.com death Posted on 8-Sep-2010 8:34:56
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I'm using version 1.6.0.0 of SDK browser as the last registered release was 1.5.x.x if I'm not mistaken.
On the OS side I'm running 4.1 beta so it's partly newer than 4.1u2.
As for the "unix'ish" aspects, I had a long list back then when it came out but didn't want to bother you with unimportant stuff like that.
It's been so long that I can't remember what my gripes were but I have a vague recollection that it had something to do with not using standard amiga version numbering schemes, menus, args templates, and/or stuff like that.
I'm really not sure anymore so once you get the ball rolling again I'll start from scratch and will let you know as/if I run into such things.
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Re: Anyone heard from Jamie Krueger since Amiga.com death Posted on 8-Sep-2010 12:20:19
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Question, is everyone out there running OS4.1u2, or are there still users running on AmigaOS4.0? |
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Re: Anyone heard from Jamie Krueger since Amiga.com death Posted on 8-Sep-2010 13:24:40
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Re: Anyone heard from Jamie Krueger since Amiga.com death Posted on 8-Sep-2010 14:30:17
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im not sure if i can speak for someone else, but i feel like by this time os4 classic users have accepted to be left behind. i for myself switched back to os3 and turn 4.0 only occassionaly to test some piece of software, or compare another compile. i think it has been pushed too far already, so move on, who wants os4.1 will switch to a new machine. im fine with it. Last edited by wawa on 08-Sep-2010 at 04:31 PM. Last edited by wawa on 08-Sep-2010 at 02:33 PM.
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Re: Anyone heard from Jamie Krueger since Amiga.com death Posted on 8-Sep-2010 17:04:44
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Yes, everybody should run OS4.1 update2 by now.
I have older versions of OS4 on my harddisk and i can boot them all, but since update 2 i have not returned to those partitions.
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Re: Anyone heard from Jamie Krueger since Amiga.com death Posted on 8-Sep-2010 17:59:42
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Question, is everyone out there running OS4.1u2, or are there still users running on AmigaOS4.0? |
You should target Amiga OS 4.1 which will soon have two new Amiga hardware platforms added: Sam460ex and AmigaOne X1000.
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Re: Anyone heard from Jamie Krueger since Amiga.com death Posted on 8-Sep-2010 18:10:05
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Hello, i restart with programming for the amiga4.x and your tool sdk-browser is very useful. it makes it much easier to find back in this hobby since my amiga 3.x days. it is running without any problem under 4.1u2. thank you for this nice software! _________________ Sam460ex, Sam667Flex, CDTV, A600 und CD32 Amiga User since 1987 |
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Re: Anyone heard from Jamie Krueger since Amiga.com death Posted on 8-Sep-2010 19:56:12
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My goal is always to retain backward compatibility whenever possible. However, given that AVD is a development system meant to be used to author software for the future of AmigaOS based machines first and foremost, I agree that the focus should be to run on and write for AmigaOS4.1u2 first.
Despite this AVD will still require the ability to support targeting older versions of AmigaOS as new releases and their respective SDKs emerge. Even if AVD itself might require the latest greatest AmigaOS to run, it should still retain the ability to target older versions of the OS. At least within reason.
Ideally, everyone with a machine should be running to newest OS version all the times, and all new development should target that newest release. However, this does not always happen. And there are times when you really need to be able to build a new piece of software for an older version of the OS. The long history of AmigaOS emulation is easily proof of that.
Thanks everyone for your input, please keep it coming.
Best Regards,
Jamie Krueger
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Re: Anyone heard from Jamie Krueger since Amiga.com death Posted on 8-Sep-2010 21:14:43
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AlexC wrote: @JamieKrueger
I'm using version 1.6.0.0 of SDK browser as the last registered release was 1.5.x.x if I'm not mistaken.
On the OS side I'm running 4.1 beta so it's partly newer than 4.1u2.
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My current build of the SDK Browser is v1.8.0.141. After I have a chance to test it against AmigaOS4.1u2 I plan to make a new release. This version is slated to become v2.0, and contains several new features over the v1.6 version, like:
o Structure browsing
o More extended hyperlink usage (double-click on function names, include statements, etc. in any text and jump directly to where it's defined - or double-click on a word and have it automatically placed in the search line).
o Extended search features; Search for files within a given directory, and even search within the search results to filter down the list.
o Mouse scroll-wheel acceleration option (when using the scroll wheel over either the list or the display areas, the speed of the line/page movement is based on the accumulated speed of the mouse's scroll wheel. So the faster you wheel, the faster the page will scroll). To really see what this feature does for you, just try wheeling down the "Commands" list of 2170+ API functions, and then disable acceleration via the menu option and try again. :)
o Load an external file or perform a lookup operation within the SDK Browser from an external program using either a CLI or Arexx script call.
o Easier Public Screen handing.
o And several more little improvements I can think of right now.
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As for the "unix'ish" aspects, I had a long list back then when it came out but didn't want to bother you with unimportant stuff like that.
It's been so long that I can't remember what my gripes were but I have a vague recollection that it had something to do with not using standard amiga version numbering schemes, menus, args templates, and/or stuff like that.
I'm really not sure anymore so once you get the ball rolling again I'll start from scratch and will let you know as/if I run into such things.
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Sure, I can see that. This first AVD template does provide more of a UNIX style command line interface that is true (but also easy to replace). The use of a four position version numbering system (Major.Minor.Maintenance.Build) and the automated version numbering tool that goes with it (Increment_Version), is required for me to keep an accurate track of all development, release, and bug fixes within a given release. I provided this within the AVD Template because I felt others would benefit from the same.
While traditionally we see two position (Major.Minor) version numbers within AmigaOS applications, my thoughts are this system should be enhanced. However, it is a simple matter to only display the Major.Minor part of a software release, and I plan to support AmigaOS style versioning within AVD either way. As I equally plan to make AVD Template features, more customizable as well.
Best Regards,
Jamie Krueger
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Re: Anyone heard from Jamie Krueger since Amiga.com death Posted on 9-Sep-2010 4:37:19
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Re: Anyone heard from Jamie Krueger since Amiga.com death Posted on 9-Sep-2010 8:43:50
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Welcome back Jamie, in our small community it's always good news to gain a skilled programmer as you.
I am not using SDKBrowser during my own devs, I vaguely remember having tried it but I already had my habits with AutodocViewer and the CubicIDE own solution. May it forth a new try
However I was really interested in your tool to build GUI, reviews I read at the time (AmiWest 2008?) were really promising.
If you really want something that might allow you to earn some bits of money I would say that either a GDB GUI either a fully separate debugger would be the way to go given the target price is reasonable (I would say for myself a price between 20 and 30 euros would be, and if you think the price is low compared to the investment, think about the fact that if you follow correctly the product you can easily start with a small working thing, and after that deliver paying upgrades for around 10 euros).
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Re: Anyone heard from Jamie Krueger since Amiga.com death Posted on 9-Sep-2010 9:05:08
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I agree. AOS4 desperately lacks good debugging tools. The reason why there's still no proper Pagestream 5 release for AOS4 is, that Daron can't debug his software appropriately (and in the way he's used to do on other platforms -- at least according to his statements on the PageStreamAmigaBeta-Mailinglist).
So, a good debugging environment and a gui builder would be very appreciated
regards, nexus Last edited by nexus on 09-Sep-2010 at 09:05 AM.
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Re: Anyone heard from Jamie Krueger since Amiga.com death Posted on 9-Sep-2010 9:13:19
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This version is slated to become v2.0, and contains several new features over the v1.6 version, like: |
Looks sweet
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The use of a four position version numbering system (Major.Minor.Maintenance.Build) and the automated version numbering tool that goes with it (Increment_Version), is required for me to keep an accurate track of all development |
Where i work (as a Windows developer) we use a 4 position version numbering scheme and i'm used to it, i find it very useful... to be honest i find the Amiga way a bit strange instead
I'm really looking forward for your new tools, i've always considered AVD a must-have on OS4 and one of the first products i'd buy once released (sadly i didn't have the possibility to subscribe back then, it was tough times for me). Thanks for coming back
Edit: have you ever thought about joining forces with the Codebench project? You have great tools on your part, you could provide the SDK browser + code templates/wizards + GUI builder + debugger which are invaluable tools and use Codebench as code editor + project management (as far as i can tell from demos and screenshots it seems to me that those are the points where each is positioned better than the other). I believe it would be a killer combo!!
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Re: Anyone heard from Jamie Krueger since Amiga.com death Posted on 9-Sep-2010 9:40:15
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Re: Anyone heard from Jamie Krueger since Amiga.com death Posted on 9-Sep-2010 10:02:32
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are there still users running on AmigaOS4.0?
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Me, albeit only occassionally.
Do most of my work on a Mac these days.
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Re: Anyone heard from Jamie Krueger since Amiga.com death Posted on 9-Sep-2010 19:37:25
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One of the goals of AVD is to be a highly integrated environment, with all components able to freely communicate with each other in order to either invoke the display of a given component, or even call upon that component to perform a function and return the result.
This system is currently built upon an AmigaOS specific internal message passing mechanism. It provides the very efficient, direct means of communications needed to tie multiple applications together as one.
In a similar way, Arexx has been used for years to connect independent Amiga applications together via external scripting. I still remember the days of using Arexx scripts to allow programs like DPaint and ADPro to work together. At one point I even wrote an extensive Arexx script for CygunED that built and assembled a software distribution CDROM from code compiled on 14 different UNIX boxes. Arexx directed to remote complies, pulled the resulting files over to my A4000T and burned them out to CDROM via MasterISO. All from the press of one function key.
The point being, I believe in the AmigaOS way of applications that are open enough to give their users the freedom to work how they want, and with what they want. Therefore you can expect to see AVD's internal communications system extended to provide a public "API" to the system so that every component can be access or controlled externally. It has also been my goal that AVD will allow it's users to work with any part of the system they choose, while simultaneously aiding working with external applications.
The SDK Browser (upcoming v2.0 release) already supports being invoked from external editors, etc. via both a CLI and Arexx interface. This is only the beginning.
On another note, since the SDK Browser is already reaching v2.0, my focus will be on the development of the GUI Builder and Debugger components next. I see the Debugger project as having two distinct parts; A graphical interface to GDB, for binary level debugging, and a Source Level Debugger, for pre-compile source level debugging. The later with have heavy ties to the Text Editor component, either AVD's or a third party editor via Arexx/CLI.
Best Regards,
Jamie Krueger
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