@paolone

I'm sorry for the long list but your comment made me go through a number of old news items related to AROS and look for negative comments. In all the threads below ( going back to August last year) I found only a couple of negative comments about AROS plus a heated discussion about access to broadband (which was not really related to AROS).

It could of course be that you are referring to what happened longer ago, but I think the posts from the last 7 months should be enough to judge how the opinion towards AROS are on this site.

No, I didn't go to the last Pianeta Amiga, which should be obvious since I stated that I haven't been to an Amiga event since 1997. You are the on accusing the users here of being negative of AROS though, and going through related news items just doens't support your opinion.

AROS related news items, with no or extremely few negative and abusive comments.

http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=5352
http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=5348
http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=5338
http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=5311
http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=5300
http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=5288
http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=5287
http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=5284
http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=5276
http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=5252
http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=5224
http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=5195
http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=5156
http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=5057
http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=5037
http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=5034
http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=5003

@nikosidis

Yeah, there seem to be a fair number of OS4 enthusiasts that think that AROS is somehow competing with OS4. It isn't. AROS' appeal is that it's open source, so you can literally tinker under the bonnet, that it closely resembles classic Amiga OS and that it can be had for free, it will run quite happily in Virtualbox on your main machine.... If there were no AROS I wouldn't go to OS 4, I'd probably play with Haiku instead... So AROS existence is actually keeping me in the community.

Frankly I'm more than a little shocked at the hostile attitude of OS $ developers for the community. They seem to blame the few remaining community members for poor sales when it's the decade and a half of utter and complete bull shi'ite that came out of the Commodore successors that has driven the market away. If you're going to be hostile be hostile with them not us.

And I'm still a potential Hyperion customer, but you can't will me over with over priced hardware with some gimmick of the month processors hanging not quite off the bus, you win me over with the WOW factor, give me something amazing I can't do on my dual quad core MacPro and I'll be interested, until then I'm going to be happily playing with AROS in a Virtualbox...

@clusteruk

cool video..thanks for posting ...I've said it more than once, and I'm gonna say it again, I am really impressed with AROS devolopment over the last little while

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@itix

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itix wrote: @Manu I think both Leo and Tomppeli are having valid point there... it is probably good to know AROS can do video but there is nothing we havent seen before.

I think they don't have a vaild point. It shows AROS is not as bad as people want it to be. That is MY point and that I haven't seen this before in any AROS video.

PS. And I am glad clusteruk took the time to do the videos and I hope he do many more.

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In theory....

Could anything be gained by using Haiku as the core/host for MP & SMP & 64bit version of "AOS5" (Or AOSNG or ACOS (AmigaCommunityOS)).

Then AOS4 sandbox, AOS3 sandbox, MOS sandbox and AROS3.x sandbox could run on top of it.

And the core would be from outside any Amiga fights and it would be open source, etc...


What are the weak points of Haiku? (other than super poor HW support))

It was Amiga inspired, orginally, after all.


Any comment from AROS / MOS /AOS headquarters?


Update:
Haiku animation youtuuuuba: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAc-NDR35Sk&feature=related

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@clusteruk

"What do you think of that?"

Love it!

@Manu

Noone here said AROS is bad.

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@all

I had not intended to spark the usual Aros/Amiga debate just to show what is capable with Aros after I was told how marvellous Haiku is and that Aros was not as complete.

The truth is Haiku is potentially a very good OS, I personally do not like the GUI and in straight install tests I cannot get Haiku to perform with 1280x560 video files on the same speed processor as my Aros machine, but I will persevere because I believe I have not got it setup right. Funny thing is it just play one really glitchy and bad, but it can cope with three in the same fashion so I guess it is just something in the decoding. I want to show off both of them too there best so we can all move forward and show the people out there that there is another way to the mainstream OS.

But how is it I mention in a friendly competition way to Haiku community, I will show you mine, now you can show me yours. And all of a sudden I spark an inter Amiga community battle again.

Can we all just chill out

Oh and thanks for those that like my videos, i enjoy every minute of making them.

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@KimmoK

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It was Amiga inspired, orginally, after all.

No, it wasn't. It is reimplementation of BeOS (Haiku is MorphOS and BeOS is AmigaOS). BeOS had some developers who said they liked Amiga but that does not institute any heavy influence.

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@itix

I have in my PC, graphics card 9600 GT.
It is already a bit outdated.
But thanks to PureVideo video decoding technology, this card is running circles around Athlon in my PC.
Unfortunately, not on AROS.
AROS has not drivers that support PureVideo on my graphics card.

@phase5fan

use it with amiga or morphos then if they have drivers!!
They don't right!!
This is exactly the stupid comments I don't like.

Why don't you leave amigaworld and go to pcworld.

Find something better to do.

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Anubis was taken down. There was little interest. Why another Linux distro ? What would be so special about it ?

Nothing. But by writing what I want I'm pretty sure some people would have said "go for Anubis then! that's what you want"... And that's not the case.

I want faster boot times, I want DOpus, but I don't want lightning fast crash speed,... As long as the core OS will be so "weak", this won't change. And correct me if I'm wrong, but the progress you're talking about has nothing to do with low-level/core stuff...

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@itix

That depends if you mean here as in Amigaworld.net or here as in this thread.
In this thread you get the impresson:

-"AROS can play video so what ? "

Then in other threads you can get the impression :

-"Why use AROS you can't do anything with it."

This is just how the talk is going around here by some people, and yes the largest group of people here don't mind AROS as I don't mind MOS/OS4-

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@Leo

You can not go to something that does not exist right ?

AROS does not crash itself easy. There are some bad programs that might easy crash AROS but just leave them out. YAM, OWB, m-player are examples or programs that does not crash AROS easy. Sabremsn are example of of program that crash AROS easy.

Sure there are progress on low-level. Lots going on in that department but as most know not something you will easy notice. Example would be our gfx system that get huge clean up last months and still progressing. Our kernel change almost every day to become better.

There are still a huge to do list but to say AROS is not stable would depend of the program being used not AROS itself.

I feel there are lot's of assuming here. Some tried AROS 3 years ago and comment from that experience.
I hope in the future we can live happy together and keep our mind towards amigaworld and accept that we are not competing with the big OS out there. Just be happy about every step of progress amigaworld makes.
By the way I loved the morphos video being put here some time ago. It is the most impressive amiga like demo I ever seen :)

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Sure there are progress on low-level. Lots going on in that department but as most know not something you will easy notice. Example would be our gfx system that get huge clean up last months and still progressing. Our kernel change almost every day to become better.

What I mean is: is there work being done on writing new SMP-safe APIs, on new SMP kernel, resource-tracking, etc...

My point is that all the work that is being done is based on this weak core-OS... And nothing is ready for next generation, so the time (if it ever comes) someone (finally!) says "ok, let's go for SMP, Resource tracking,...", every application, every driver,.. will break, and will have to be rewritten from scratch. If there was some interest in having a true NG OS (with SMP support, etc...), some API with that in mind would have been written, and developers would be encouraged (if not forced) to use it, to prepare the future true OS. That's what they did with MacOSX and Carbon for example...

Well, it's not the case. So, yes, it may change, no one knows,... but no one seems to be in a hurry it changes... And the day it will, everything will have to be rewritten from scratch.

So it seems it's not what they want...

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@Leo

Personally I'm not sure but I personally would like to see the 64 bit aros used for that purpose. I thought the 64 bit exec was already starting to implement memory protection(I could be wrong tho).

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@Leo

AROS has limited resources. But if you can maybe with your salary pay a developer one year 8 hours / day maybe you would get SMP sooner. Ok, what did you say ? Was that a "Yes, I will do that l !" ?

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AROS has limited resources. But if you can maybe with your salary pay a developer one year 8 hours / day maybe you would get SMP sooner.

It's not a question of getting it sooner, it's a question of working on it sooner... and do not wasting time/resources on working on something that will have to be thrown away when SMP will be there...

There are already resources, but I wish they would work on implementing a new modern core, rather than UAE integration for example...

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@Leo

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Leo wrote: It's not a question of getting it sooner, it's a question of working on it sooner... and do not wasting time/resources on working on something that will have to be thrown away when SMP will be there...

What a load of rubbish. Okay so what are these must have features for AROS you badly need? As far as I can see the most popular ones discussed in this thread are memory protection and SMP.

Here's the outline for one solution for memory protection on Amiga and Amiga-like OS' (note that this is not the traditional approach, it is one designed to work on systems that had a single address space before, like AmigaOS):
http://130.203.133.121:8080/viewdoc/summary;jsessionid=103DA74DEBD7CC3130A374F517E75851?doi=10.1.1.16.9704

There are two main solutions for SMP in AROS as far as I know, the gang scheduler approach and multikernel approach. Here's some info about a multikernel system to look at:
http://www.barrelfish.org/
http://www.barrelfish.org/barrelfish_sosp09.pdf

So as you can see, AROS doesn't need to be rewritten from the ground up to support those features. It really is a question of priorities right now, MP and SMP are not high priorities as there are more important features to work on, though you're welcome to start coding if you believe they are.

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@Leo

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It's not a question of getting it sooner, it's a question of working on it sooner... and do not wasting time/resources on working on something that will have to be thrown away when SMP will be there...

Ok, be the one to make start it happening then if it's so important to you. Make your own fork of AROS. It's open, nothing is standing in your way.

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There are already resources, but I wish they would work on implementing a new modern core, rather than UAE integration for example...

I think they work on the bits that need work done. I don't believe it's such a waste as you imply. But that is just one big IMHO of course.

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