@Channel_Z

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Those people are imo more likely to get something that is actually Amiga-chipset compatible and not just a frontend for the Amiga emulation they might as well do on their PC.

I would rather buy X1000 (or both X1000 and Natami - depending on the price), but I´m only 26 today... However, AmigaOS + RunInUAE offers in some aspects much better emulation experience than WinUAE on common PC. Be able to run WHDLoad installed games directly from WB is great feature.

I hope that price of Natami will be not higher than price of SAM460EX.

@pavlor

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However, AmigaOS + RunInUAE offers in some aspects much better emulation experience than WinUAE on common PC. Be able to run WHDLoad installed games directly from WB is great feature.

I agree, but you don't need to shell out over 2300$ for that. You can get the same functionality (even better, since you get full window coherence with the rest of the OS, gadgets etc.) with JanusUAE and AROS on that PC you can find in the trash ;)

@Channel_Z

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You can get the same functionality (even better, since you get full window coherence with the rest of the OS, gadgets etc.) with JanusUAE and AROS on that PC you can find in the trash ;)

Do I need to configure something with Janus, or can I simply copy WHDLoad istalled game from my A1200 and play it directly from Wanderer?

@Channel_Z

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Those people are imo more likely to get something that is actually Amiga-chipset compatible and not just a frontend for the Amiga emulation they might as well do on their PC. Something like a Natami or a Minimig AGA. Provided they get hold of proper information of all the systems and can do an informed choice. Because, what is so retro about running Timberwolf, Blender and a few SDL games? Do you think the retro people will get attracted by something they might as well do on a PC they find in the trash?

You miss the point. I *am* one of "those people". I've bought a Minimig. I will buy an X1000. I will buy a Natami. I will buy an FPGA arcade. I might buy an iMica or put a nice AROS box together myself. They all serve different purposes.

You don't see this generation running out and getting the original Transformers to watch. We watch the flashy movie remakes. It's partly about the nostalgia, but nostalgia is always rose tinted and we want the rose tinted version. The updated version. The version we can be happy with today.

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I see your point, and agree with it. The only problem is that while being "fast enough" it competes with other systems that are "fast enough" and does not cost as much as a Mac Pro.

Those other systems aren't PPC and don't run AmigaOS 4.

I *have* several other machines for the stuff where performance and/or price mattered. But they're not enough.

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@pavlor

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Do I need to configure something with Janus, or can I simply copy WHDLoad istalled game from my A1200 and play it directly from Wanderer?

You run a small wizard script that creates an icon for each program you want to run.

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You miss the point. I *am* one of "those people". I've bought a Minimig. I will buy an X1000. I will buy a Natami. I will buy an FPGA arcade. I might buy an iMica or put a nice AROS box together myself. They all serve different purposes.

Fair enough. I thought we were talking about attracting ex-Amiga users to buy an OS4 system, not about people like you and me who are already fanatics (I have a MicroA1, Efika, several classics and I am going to get a Natami).

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Those other systems aren't PPC and don't run AmigaOS 4.

Sure, but so does SAM460, which costs about a third of the price and should also be "fast enough".

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@Channel_Z

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You run a small wizard script that creates an icon for each program you want to run.

Not bad, but the approach of RunInUAE is better (at least for games). I think it wouldn´t be that hard to implement such feature in Janus (or other solution for AROS).

@pavlor

Actually Yannick Erb made that for AROS long time ago, before RuninUAE.
was heard of. Iit's called WHDMenu. Playes WHDLoad games easily.

http://www.dusabledanslherbe.eu/AROSPage/WHDMenu.5.html

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I think we will see more "modern" Amigas. There's simply too much going on for HW developments to die and embedded PPC SoCs will be powerfull enough for our niche (+ the move to x86 is not impossible).

I personally can not afford x1000 during this year.

@Channel_Z

"Sure, but so does SAM460, which costs about a third of the price and should also be "fast enough"."

I believe SAm460 full systems cost 800...1000¤ unless ACube does some cost reduction for he board.
So, it costs about half of the x1000 price and has one third of the performance.
But the performance really should be good enough any way.

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@Channel_Z

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Fair enough. I thought we were talking about attracting ex-Amiga users to buy an OS4 system, not about people like you and me who are already fanatics (I have a MicroA1, Efika, several classics and I am going to get a Natami).

Until the X1000 announcement it had been 12 years since I'd run anything Amiga related, classic, emulator or otherwise.

I may be a fanatic again now, and I always had fond memories of the Amiga, but I was an ex-user for all intents and purposes until the X1000.

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Sure, but so does SAM460, which costs about a third of the price and should also be "fast enough".

I've thought about it, but it's just not what I'm looking for. I'm willing to pay that premium for the whole deal, including the extra performance, expandability and getting the "full package" e.g. a branded box. Of course that's not going to be right for everyone, and that's why I think the interest in the X1000 will generate quite a lot of spillover effect on the SAM's and on non-OS4 boxes.

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@Manu

No, it is not the same. On my A1200 I install a game through WHDLoad and then run it by double-click on its icon, RunInUAE allows run WHDLoad installed games the same way - double-click on their icons. As I wrote, RunInUAE concept is not that hard to implement (there was WHDLoad2UAE for OS4 with this feature) and its benefits for user experience are great.

Remembering the times there wasnt any hw to buy these are good times. I will check out that SAM460 and if X1000 becomes available this year I will compare the price difference of these. X1000 might be more of a long term investment. My guess is that it has more potential if many enough buy it and development for it continues. ATM I see no reason why development would stop, considering the obvious determination of the people who work for Amiga.

X1000 is a very ambitious project and it is great that there are people who are ready to work hard to bring us new hw. I hope it will be a success and there will be a X2000 too!

Acube has been doing excellent work with SAM-machines. SAMs are fast enough for todays AOS4 and for surfing, DVD-viewing, writing. I myself have enough machines for playing games (desktop, two laptops and a console). People who buy SAMs contribute to the development of Amiga OS. SAMs have been improving all the time and who knows what is SAM of the year 2012 like? Or 2015?

I think if I buy a SAM460 or X1000 I still contribute to the future development of Amiga.

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jingof wrote: aka.. why I'm buying an X1000. I think the X1000 is so exciting and can't wait to buy one.

If you can't wait you can become a beta tester, OK they don't get the A1X1K but they will get t6he same board (or an early version of the board) if you really want to have it and if an A1X1K is more a work of technology than of a case with some stickers on it you shouldn't wait.

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I will probably buy a X1000 but i would like to see a cheaper version of it without the mouse/keyboard and the housing. So for me it will be pay for some stuff i will not use. For example first thing i would do is continue to use my logiech wireless keyb+mouse. For the housing ill see what is avaible that is smaller and have good looks and hopefully something not too big to bring with me if needed for a amiga meeting etc. first thing is wait for it to be released :)

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Trevor is a smart man, he's not likely to have bet the house on thousands of these but rather made a few hundred which he likely will be able to sell.

I think he is much smarter, he (more precise A-Eon) will wait until they got enough pre-orders before starting the production

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@pavlor

Ok I see. that's not really what I'm after. II rather have them in a database where you can categorize see screenshots rates etc

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@Kicko

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Kicko wrote: I will probably buy a X1000 but i would like to see a cheaper version of it without the mouse/keyboard and the housing.

Become a beta tester, you will get a Nemo board and don't have to pay for the case or housing.

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@KimmoK

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I personally can not afford x1000 during this year.

No problem, we all know the A1X1K is announced for December so it might be available at February (if everything goes well). So you can still get one of the first official (non beta) production batches.

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@Channel_Z
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Is adding an onboard XMOS chip that anyone could pop in their computer via USB for a few bucks if they saw any use for it making it very innovative? I don't think so

Think again then.
The Xmos chip is there only for people to tinker with it and by making it standard you are very much guaranteed every AmigaOS programmer will learn their particular form of C (making Amiga the only Xmos fluent community in the world, other only see spase use).
The second part is the Xorro slot which is positioned in a particular way that suggests the possibility of communicating with the system not like the on board chip (which is slow but good enough for its purpose), but at PCI-E speed.
Sice you will be able to populate an eventual Xmos minicluster with Second generation chips (which will take advantage of the faster communication speed and will have an FPU) you might see that the Amiga community will be the first one to have a system and programmers ready for fine grained multiprocessing, something that offers several advantages over the ridiculous vectorialization hardships required by GP-GPU.

The Nemo motherboard is as exotic and alternative as it gets and will attract all those that love it this way (not to mention all those that want a PA6T dev board at a cheaper price compared to the official one).

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If you can't wait you can become a beta tester

I have considered requesting beta tester status. My only concern is I'm working for a startup right now, that is running me like hell to get to profitability, so I'm temporarily pretty occupied. Not sure I would be able to give the kind of high quantity and quality of feedback that A-EON would expect (at least near term).

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@jingof

I kind of agree, that it might be the last big effort for a top end all in one complete system if it fails, but i dont see it would cause the end of OS4 development if it flops.

I would love to get an X1000, but the main problem like for many people is the price, I not really complaining about its over priced etc, I understand that for a small market to have a custom built hardware and software built for it is going to cost a premium, its just a shame that I highly doubt I will be able to afford it or quite justfie for a hobby, specially when I think I could get a 12 core Mac for the price.

However I do want to support the Amiga comeback somehow and I don't want to sit on the sideline any more because I do think the X1000 has given some new momentum for the Amiga market, thats why I hope to get a Sam460 or second hand Sam by October. Just started saving by not going out and making do with the games and films I've got, currently re-watch Babylon 5, great show! And great Cgi from Amiga! Currently at £400, so no doing to bad. Plus I also in the process of thinking about building a case for it.....Sam MCC anyone? Will let you know how I get on, but should be interesting.

In any case I am looking forward to getting back with the Amiga market, been away far to long.

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