@MikeB
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I cannot believe you still haven't changed your tune after all these years of me explaining to you the Cell's merrit and strong points.

The charge is unfounded because that's not where the discussion was. You had stated I didn't know all the uses for the Cell. I listed uses for the Cell in the marketplace and commented on the success within the marketplace. There was a Toshiba laptop w/ a SpursEngine and that is basically it in very large marketplace of electronic devices that have video outputs. GPUs are clearly winning the market, just as I said.

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The PS3 is being used for supercomputing due to the Cell

I clearly stated that PS3s are being used for supercomputing. Can you buy a Cell Supercomputer from IBM? I'd suspect they'd push you to their latest technology whenever possible.

EDIT: IBM's VP stated the PowerXCell 8i would be the last in the Cell line. This cancelled the dual PPE x 32SPU projected next step. Today PowerPC A2 is the supercomputer chip and is multiple full core in architecture. It certainly took some things from the Cell, such as instructions, but not all Cell instructions made it. Nor is it the next Cell... If the Cell revived will depend on Sony's desire. If memory serves rumor of a Sony Cell in their next handheld was posted in this thread at one time. The NGP was announced and Sony didn't use the Cell either. (If Sony wants ubiquous computing as Sony claimed the Cell would bring they need to use it.) :END EDIT

MikeB -- the market has progressed over the last 4 years and it hasn't gone the way of the Cell. That's my contention. Can you list any where the Cell is making significant inroads, heck I'd even take inroads, besides gaming?

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I am talking about the flawed architecture originating from the 70s. x86 did not survive because it was such a great architecture,

Oh architecture... that gets one no where. So the Cell has a pretty architecture, I've always agreed. The Cell was supposed to bring us ubiquotous computing to all devices, so claimed Sony, the Cell is no where close to this. The winner here appears to be ARM. (Oh and it's not following the Cell model of construction it's multiple core w/ GPU on die similar to the Xenon) Imagine the size of AMD had they not stupidly sold off ARM to QualComm.

Last edited by BrianK on 03-Apr-2011 at 04:01 PM.

Anonymous takes down Sony.com and Playstation.com and the PSN. Sony has not confirmed they claim PSN is down for normal maintenance. Though they didn't announce the maintenance?

Certainly the truth will come out. I see two choices. Either Anonymous did take Sony out as they said they would. OR some maintenance event was supposed to be non-interrupting, Sony didn't announce the change, and a whoopsies happened.

If we accept Sony is telling the truth they certainly failed to communicate with their userbase. But, hey it's free right?!

It's over!

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/reviews/2011/04/sony-ps3-hacker-george-hotz-reach-settlement.ars

They settled.

My most anticipated PS3 game:

http://www.gamedaily.com/articles/news/ps3s-uncharted-3-will-be-avatar-of-3d-gaming/

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PS3 has been pushing 3D stereoscopic gaming harder than any other platform. Games like Killzone 3 and Crysis 2 already look great in 3D, but there's one title that could top them all, says EEDAR analyst Jesse Divnich: Naughty Dog's highly anticipated Uncharted 3. Divnich believes the next game in the franchise will push 3D gaming forward much in the way that Avatar pushed 3D filmmaking. "Even though 3D televisions don’t fall in the budget of mainstream America and adoption rates will likely continue to be slow, something must be said about how beautiful Uncharted 3 looks in 3D," Divnich commented after viewing the game at a Sony analyst event. "I’ve personally never been fond of games in stereoscopic 3D. Sure, Killzone, Gran Turismo, and MLB: The Show look great in 3D, but I’ve personally never felt that 3D added anything significant to my gaming experience. Now that I have had to chance to experience Uncharted 3 in 3D, that opinion has changed. "With a core focus on cinematic, story, and action, Uncharted 3 is the prime candidate to convince the naysayers that 3D belongs in video games—it certainly has convinced me. "Uncharted 3 could do for 3D gaming what Avatar did for 3D movies. However, given the significant difference in cost to experience Uncharted 3 in 3D over Avatar in 3D, one certainly shouldn’t expect a mad mob rush of consumers to drop $3,000 on a 3D television just for Uncharted 3. Instead, Uncharted 3 will solidify 3D’s legitimacy in the interactive entertainment landscape, just as Avatar did for the 3D movie experience.

I think many will finally understand the PS3 is an amazingly powerful machine, much more powerful than the XBox 360.

http://www.joystiq.com/2011/04/14/rumor-multiple-sources-claim-new-nintendo-console-reveal-at-o/

2012 release (maybe)

@MikeB

Uncharted in 3D might be cool visually. I hope the story is better than the crap in the first two games. With my experience of the first two this one won't be a run out and buy it on day 1. Once the inital price drops I'll likely get it.


@Lou
WiiHD w/ more power than the PS3? I think completely possible knowing the current state of technology. I'm going to throw out a guess that it'll be a PowerPC CPU(s) with a on-die GPU(s) from AMD. Once that next-gen race is on users will undoubtly be looking foward to how the Xbox 3 and PS4 handle this.

PS4- my current best guess will be a multiple homogenous full core PowerPC, more similar to the Xenon, that can run Cell instructions so could be backwards compatible and the PS3 programming methods can be reused. solution will be difficult and more costly to acheive. This means Sony might be GPU -- not sure on that one. If it is PowerPC and Sony doesn't use AMD a single die stuck with a more costly multiple die solution. Net I think we'll see something closer to a PS3.5 than a PS4.

Xbox 3 - my current best guess is they'll go with a single unified architecture at launch for a lower cost and quicker time to profit. Microsoft's flexibility in making their software OS to different architectures make the CPU less important than it is for Sony. I think the GPU will be AMD. Either another PowerPC or a Bulldozer I think are the most likely candidates and both could still acheive a unified architecture w/ an AMD GPU.

Though I'm not sure it'll be an Xbox3. I think Microsoft can acheive a very good Xbox360.5 and keep costs low enough that it could market against Nintendo for low cost while still giving the 'high end Sony' a very strong competition. We've seen Microsoft repeatly hit the ball out of the park in the 3rd generation... Time will tell.

@BrianK

Well, since we know the current 360 with it's same-die gpu/cpu is being limited in speed to maintain compatibility with older 360 games, I could totally see MS releasing a Xbox 365. One with 1GB of unified ram a bump in clockspeed, or atleast bus speed and other tweaks like Gbit ethernet and 802.11N and USB 3.0. This would allow a Kinect 2.0 (USB 3.0 version) to run faster and more real time while at the same time keep development costs down.

Future games could run on both systems but with "less effects" on the current 360 like they do with PC games.

For the few old games that *might* break - PATCH THEM.

I don't see Sony with the same options. They'd have to go with a full PS4 machine and since we know that it won't be Cell-based ... my guess it they would be the ones to bite into Intel's marketting or perhaps go AMD Fusion. It will be the only option to keep costs down.

However, I don't see either Sony or MS doing anything before 2013...

I really didn't expect this cycle to last so long, I'm glad Nintendo is kicking it off. I'll have to look at IBM's latest developments. Makes me think they got the G3 line into the multi-core area and perhaps at >2Ghz. Since the G3 core is a 'real' cpu compared to the more limited cores of the 360 and PS3, I don't think Nintendo would have to break the 2Ghz speed to outperform the 360 and PS3 if this newest 'G3' is multicore and SMP-capable. I say this because it's supposed to be backwards compatible with the Wii. However, it really makes me wonder what they have up their SoGPU sleeve...

@Lou

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I really didn't expect this cycle to last so long,

I agree it's time for a new platform.

Multicore G3 would be cool for Nintendo. Typically their GPU is ATI which is now AMD. AMD has many agreements with IBM. For example the unified 360 GPGPU. I'd bet Nintendo will get something similar.


@MikeB
It appears Sony is not ahead of Microsoft on shipments. I know we've talked in-home ownership in the past and you want to count shipments as those are the numbers the manufacturers provide. Sony Shipped 50M as of 3/29/11. Microsoft shipped 50M 2 months earlier in Jan of 2011.

Sony also appears to have less shipments of the Move w/ 8Million (see link above). The Kinect shipped 10M as of 1 month ago. If you do your 'align shipping date' dance the Kinect is solidly beating the Move.

And in the end Wii still holds both records.

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@BrianK

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BrianK wrote: @Lou Quote: I really didn't expect this cycle to last so long, I agree it's time for a new platform. Multicore G3 would be cool for Nintendo. Typically their GPU is ATI which is now AMD. AMD has many agreements with IBM. For example the unified 360 GPGPU. I'd bet Nintendo will get something similar.

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Citing unnamed sources, the site claims the system is currently codenamed "Project Café," and adds that it does feature hardware resembling that of the Xbox 360, such as a three-core IBM PowerPC CPU. The real meat of the report isn't in the specs of the console, but rather, its controller. According to 01net, the peripheral will feature a six-inch single-input touchscreen -- which corroborates a similar report published by CVG yesterday. The French site also says the controller features a standard set of buttons, a front-mounted camera (what?) and can even function as a Wii sensor bar, should the player choose to indulge in the console's built-in backwards compatibility.

Hmmm...controllers with HD touch screens and cameras? Wii2 doing augmented reality on the controller? Will they pull a Sony and make of cost $600?

@Lou

GTA V for the Wii2 launch? That'd be a winner.

@Lou

The PSP can already be used as a PS3 controller. I think the same will be the case for the PSP2. If successful there may be potential for PS3/Wii 2 games for publishers.

@MikeB

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The PSP can already be used as a PS3 controller. I think the same will be the case for the PSP2. If successful there may be potential for PS3/Wii 2 games for publishers.

Certainly there is no potential for the PSPgo

PSN has another unannounced outage for more than 24 hours. Perhaps if they got their gamers to pay a few bucks they could stablize and secure their network.

@BrianK

The outage may be the result of cyber terrorism if you want to start pre-emptively speculate. It's not that unlikely, Hotz recently settled with Sony regarding his past criminal behaviour. But after the settlement he pathetically called upon others to boycot Sony I've read.

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Perhaps if they got their gamers to pay a few bucks they could stablize and secure their network.

Then again maybe not:

Microsoft faces class action lawsuit due to Xbox Live outages
http://www.joystiq.com/2008/01/05/microsoft-faces-class-action-lawsuit-due-to-xbox-live-outages/

@MikeB

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The outage may be the result of cyber terrorism if you want to start pre-emptively speculate. It's not that unlikely, Hotz recently settled with Sony regarding his past criminal behaviour. But after the settlement he pathetically called upon others to boycot Sony I've read.

There's some strange magnetic effects going on, on this planet. Probably due to alignmnet with a brown dwarf. This is but one more evidence that something 'Strange is a foot at the Circle-K'.

@MikeB

PSN out for days. Likely to be out over most of the weekend.

New theories are saying it's a conspiracy by Sony to win favor in the online marketspace and it's not hackers but themselves.

@BrianK

You were wrong and I was once again right. An external intrusion has been confirmed by Sony to be the reason for the downtime.

I hope people will at some point finally unite into helping bringing such criminals to justice. Microsoft in recent months has really once again highlighted their shameless unethical behaviour by supporting the cyber criminal Hotz.

IMO it's really time for especially the American companies and the many blind sheep people who support them to stop abusing the world with their unethical agendas. This is just a minor example, but which can be used to highlight the awful degratory unethical mindset of too many people.

@MikeB

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An external intrusion has been confirmed by Sony to be the reason for the downtime.

This is exactly what they say to cover up their errors and win political favor by blaming hackers. This statement is nothing less then confirmation the conspiracy is real and being orchestrated by Sony.

Last edited by BrianK on 23-Apr-2011 at 01:28 PM.

@MikeB

What criminal activity? Be careful because that looks like libel.

Chris

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@clebin

It isn't, everyone knows he broke the law. What's more after Sony agreed to a settlement he calls for a boycott. How pathetic can a person be?