@MikeB

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Which is of course crap as OtherOS removal was never mandatory.

Yeah you only need it if... You want to use the PSN in anyway. If you want to gain the features/fixes of the latest firmware. And, of course, if your PS3 breaks, which does happen, you can't buy a new one with Linux ability.

Again -- I buy something I can do whatever the hell I want to it, short of copying and profiting. That's why I paid money for it.

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IMO reread the above as many times as needed to understand.

The response here is fairly straight forward. I completely understand your position and completely disagree. Rearead the above as many times as needed to understand.

@BrianK

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Again -- I buy something I can do whatever the hell I want to it, short of copying and profiting. That's why I paid money for it.

Hotz' actions is actually a reason why OtherOS support was removed at all. It didn't need to be this way.

No, you can't do just everything with something you bought. Not breaching security and putting millions of consumers worldwide at risk.

For strictly personal use it's unlikely anyone will care though. You gave an example of putting some turbo in your car being legal where you live. But that's against the law here in the Netherlands.

Maybe it was legal for Osama Bin Laden to perform terrorist actions in the country he lived, but that IMO doesn't make it any less criminal. And I will call his actions (with or without the help of the US government) criminal, nomatter that he wasn't convicted and never received a fair trial.

Sony liable to 3rd parties? One thing that wasn't really discussed with Sony network outage is what is their liability to 3rd parties.

Various companies, especially gaming, have built their model of profitability based upon online gamers and sales. We've yet to see such a systemic outage. Should Sony be liable to SquareSoft, EA, and the other companies, for sales they lost during this month long outage? How about if users decide not to game online as a result of this?

Additionally, how will Sony handle other 3rd parties, such as Netflix for example. If I can't use Netflix through the PS3 due to the PSN outage shouldn't Sony reimburse me, at least, for paying for something I can't use? Of course to NetFlix they see the problem isn't anything in their control. The only reason for Netflix to give something free is to try and save customers that the PSN outage cost them. Shouldn't Sony have some liability here too?

Going back to an earlier post the losses are likely to be in the Billions to Sony for this event. That seems fairly realistic.

@MikeB

I like this site, and I don't like that its owners have to take responsibility for your accusations. You'd be better off starting a blog where you take responsibility and then linking to it if necessary.

As for Hotz, I support what he did. I'm sick of corporations trying to enforce rules about what we can and can't do with the devices we own. Apple tried to stop people jailbreaking the iPhone. The hackers stood up to them and thanks to them others can jailbreak their mobiles without been criminalised for it. It was a great victory for freedom and a geek's right to tinker with the stuff they own. Progress is built on tinkering, and it's more important than Sony winning the current-gen console wars.

As for Sony, I think it's terrible the way they treated this young kid, also the way they tried to use corporate muscle to get the details of people who viewed a video on the web. It was a lot for this one guy to cope with a mega-corporation and its lawyers, and it annoys me that after settling the case, some fanboy still accuses him of being a criminal.

People hit the AR button every day, difference is I'm giving you a chance here. You've been banned umpteen times before, I don't want to take away everyone else's fun in trying to argue with you, so I'm letting you respond. Is that clear?

Funny you should ask me why I should be so concerned. What's your relationship to Sony that's made you care so much for the past 4 or 5 years? Now, please consider my last post again.

Chris

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@clebin

OK, clebin I consider your feekings. I will replace criminal with: "Adult who spread security exploits which resulted in OtherOS removal and afterwards publically spreads a root security key".

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young kid

He's a 21 years old man, no kid.

@MikeB

Thanks, and don't worry about my feekings.

If only we knew how old David was when he fought Goliath.



Wait, what's that in the sky?

Chris

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If only we knew how old David was when he fought Goliath.

Probably an old enough teenager (16+) for being able to receive a death sentence for murder in the united states.

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At David's time once going through puberty he would have been considered a man. And that makes sense as for example only 250 years ago people in France weren't expected to live beyond 25 years old on average.

@MikeB

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Hotz' actions is actually a reason why OtherOS support was removed at all. It didn't need to be this way

Sony is undoubtably part of the problem. Microsoft was able to take the Linux hackers and disallow them access to Xbox Live. Though without a Firewall it may have been hard for Sony to do this. Court was Sony's firewall and even there Sony dropped the ball. Sony settled for nothing because they had no real case.

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No, you can't do just everything with something you bought. Not breaching security and putting millions of consumers worldwide at risk.

There is no indication Holtz put any consumer at risk. At this time there is no information available indicating Holtz broke into the PSN. And I agree the breach of the PSN was wrong. But, no one bought the PSN now did they? It's Sony owned with a right to use.

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You gave an example of putting some turbo in your car being legal where you live. But that's against the law here in the Netherlands.

Sorry to hear your nation has taken away your right to tinker, to learn, to improve, and to make something your own. Sony rights above MikeB rights -- enjoy your corporate rulers.

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Microsoft body detection through EM LINK . The Force may not exist but we may be able to duplicate some of it's effects.

Thread closed, part 8 of this never ending saga is found

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