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Re: AMIGA Name bought by Commodore!
Posted on 3-Sep-2010 16:02:00
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EXCUSE ME...

Ah.. sorry about that.. but Im afraid its Started.

http://www.elektor.com/news/welcome-back-commodore-c64.1514707.lynkx

this is a pretty majour European and UK electronics magazine, thats has various PIC and electronics articles, including how to build them, alond with advetrts for programmers, an XGameStation etc.

To my best knowledge, they have Never shown MiniMig, Natami, there has been No reviews or comparisons against XGameStation etc, there has been No mention of AOnes, SAms, or evn the AXK.

And yet, within a couple days of the new bustup, over Names and Advertising, this widely read electroncis magazine is exitedly announcing the return of the Commodore name, etc etc.

Amiga is the V2000 to these guys ink blots on paper take, and we are going to LOSE as they bring out their VHS.

These days, its all about who can LIE the most convincingly, and given that AInc is still going, they are second best only to Microsoft and Apple.

there is No point trying to talk to AInc, the only way to deal with them, is to Buy Them Out, and Crush Them. they wish to live by the philosophy of Microsoft, they can only be destroyed by the philosphy of Microsoft.

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Re: AMIGA Name bought by Commodore!
Posted on 3-Sep-2010 16:06:11
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@RodTerl

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there is No point trying to talk to AInc, the only way to deal with them, is to Buy Them Out, and Crush Them. they wish to live by the philosophy of Microsoft, they can only be destroyed by the philosphy of Microsoft.


Calm down, it is only computer...

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Re: AMIGA Name bought by Commodore!
Posted on 3-Sep-2010 16:08:42
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Rippin/raping the name for their own use.


If they have a valid trademark deal, they are legally dealing with this name.
Who stopped Hyperion, acube, a-eon,... into making a similar deal?

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Name raping with money making and producing real Amiga experience for the community are totally different kind of things.
Hyperion cares for the later, you seem to care for the first.


I would choose not to answer this but if I were you I'd consider just how much hyperion is making me pay for that amiga experience.

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Re: AMIGA Name bought by Commodore!
Posted on 3-Sep-2010 16:11:55
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@WolfToTheMoon

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just how much hyperion is making me pay for that amiga experience.


There are much more expensive hobbies... eg. golf, cars and womans.

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WolfToTheMoon 
Re: AMIGA Name bought by Commodore!
Posted on 3-Sep-2010 16:12:21
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@RodTerl

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EXCUSE ME... Ah.. sorry about that.. but Im afraid its Started. http://www.elektor.com/news/welcome-back-commodore-c64.1514707.lynkx this is a pretty majour European and UK electronics magazine, thats has various PIC and electronics articles, including how to build them, alond with advetrts for programmers, an XGameStation etc. To my best knowledge, they have Never shown MiniMig, Natami, there has been No reviews or comparisons against XGameStation etc, there has been No mention of AOnes, SAms, or evn the AXK. And yet, within a couple days of the new bustup, over Names and Advertising, this widely read electroncis magazine is exitedly announcing the return of the Commodore name, etc etc. Amiga is the V2000 to these guys ink blots on paper take, and we are going to LOSE as they bring out their VHS. These days, its all about who can LIE the most convincingly, and given that AInc is still going, they are second best only to Microsoft and Apple. there is No point trying to talk to AInc, the only way to deal with them, is to Buy Them Out, and Crush Them. they wish to live by the philosophy of Microsoft, they can only be destroyed by the philosphy of Microsoft.


This is exactly what I've been talking about. The name Commodore is still a POWERFUL magnet.

It only shows that mr. Altman has at least some business sense in him.

And another thing to consider. I wouldn't be surprised if he had a number of investors lining up for this PC64 deal. Now he only needs to produce them, offcourse, with quality to match the name

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Re: AMIGA Name bought by Commodore!
Posted on 3-Sep-2010 16:34:56
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@WolfToTheMoon

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And another thing to consider. I wouldn't be surprised if he had a number of investors lining up for this PC64 deal.


That may be more in line with "-the- thing to consider" as opposed to "another thing". heh.

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Re: AMIGA Name bought by Commodore!
Posted on 3-Sep-2010 16:50:15
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@WolfToTheMoon

Yes, the name Commodore has a fair amount goodwill associated with it. I just hope they offer something practical instead of the silly computers in a keyboard. I'd love an all-in-one like an iMac with a touch screen...

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Re: AMIGA Name bought by Commodore!
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@persia

It is my understanding that is one of their goals...

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Re: AMIGA Name bought by Commodore!
Posted on 3-Sep-2010 17:51:13
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@persia

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I'd love an all-in-one like an iMac with a touch screen...

Why would they do the same thing others already do? What novelty would they bring to the table?
At least with the C64 or Amiga cases they have an obvious unique selling point. There's nothing like that in the market. It could be big. They just have to get it done properly.

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Re: AMIGA Name bought by Commodore!
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@WolfToTheMoon
I have to say I don't have any understanding of why someone would want to buy a generic PC that just has some name (e.g. Commodore or Amiga) stuck to it. If that's the case then buy a generic PC & make your own label to stick on it. The result will be exactly the same!

To be honest, my first though is that you are trying to wind people up (just to get a reaction), but I try to treat people at face value unless there is evidence otherwise...

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Re: AMIGA Name bought by Commodore!
Posted on 4-Sep-2010 12:18:52
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Like I said, if it's nicely done and nicely designed and I can be productive with it, I'll buy a branded PC, no matter the name. Hence, going by that logic, I'll buy a PC branded Commodore or Amiga. Like I said many times, I'm no hard-core amigan.

For those wanting a more Amiga like retro solution, go for X1000 or Sam4x0, or possibly a x86 Amiga with AROS, iMica, AresOne...

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Re: AMIGA Name bought by Commodore!
Posted on 6-Sep-2010 7:49:39
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>And why do you think I would prefer to buy an AmigaOne X1000 from Commodore over buying it from AmigaKit?

Because it would be "Commodore"?
Because it would be "Amiga", not AmigaOne?



Whether it is a "Commodore" or an "Amiga" insterad of an "AmigaOne" or if a sack of rice bursts somewhere in China basically means the same to me...

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>What would be the advantage for me as customer?

No advantage beside perhaps more channels to buy from.

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That's not exactly what I'd call an advantage - this way I can as well keep what I already have (i.e. not running to buy Commodore stuff).

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>I'm fine with the name as it is...

AmigaOne Power X 1000 makes me puke.
...



I only know of the AmigaOne X1000...

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KimmoK wrote:

(I would prefer "Amiga X1000".)



You can call it whatever you like - call it "RollyRotz", if you like...
I call mine "Miggy"...

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>Up to now I have not heard that Hyperion had plans for an AmigaOS 5...

5 is just a number. indicating bigger OS change than 0.x numbers.
(IMO. 64bit, ASMP, MP, x86 are so big features that it is worth the bigger number change .... and perhaps separate unstable R&D branch for many years to come)



Hyperion always emphasised that they will not port the AmigaOS to x86 - so there will be no x86 version.
As for the version number it's up to them what number they choose.
What do you mean with "MP"?
And what is ASMP meant to mean?

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Re: AMIGA Name bought by Commodore!
Posted on 6-Sep-2010 8:15:03
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@KimmoK

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Rippin/raping the name for their own use.


You mean "licensing"? There are people that would say Hyperion is "raping" AmigaOS name. As long it's being licensed we're just guys on forums, arguing. I won't change a squat.

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Name raping with money making and producing real Amiga experience for the community are totally different kind of things.


No. Both are businesses, one you like, the other you don't. I don't like it, too. Unless C= is doing something illegal you have no case against them.

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Hyperion cares for the later, you seem to care for the first.


You don't know that. Hyperion is OK with another "prepay for a beta board".

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So you love also Bill Gates businesses because they made $$$?


So, you hate him because he made cash hand over fist?

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Dandy 
Re: AMIGA Name bought by Commodore!
Posted on 6-Sep-2010 8:21:24
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@WolfToTheMoon

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WolfToTheMoon wrote:
@Zontrox

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I'm sorry if this has already been covered/answered but... what about Hyperion?



They're in for a mess now probably, regarding the X1000 launch...



Why should they?
What mess are you talking about?
Those, who wanted to buy the A1X1000 (like me) will buy it nevertheless - regardless of Commodores old idea of AIOs - this time with Intel inside.
And those who were moaning from the beginning that the A1X1000 is way too expensive for them won't.
Easy as that - nothing changed so far by Commodores announcement.

Its just that the fanboys of names now seem to get something that possibly serves their needs.

Those who wanted tha AmigaOS on x86 will be disappointed if they're name fans - there obviously will be no x86-AmigaOS.
Just the x86 Amiga-like OS AROS - but that has been around a couple of years now and even has its own hardware: AresOne.
Commodore not necessarily required here...

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Can't say I feel much sympathy because it's a mess themselves are responsible for. Even without this announcement, the first thing I thought when I read about X1000 was - FAIL!



I have no idea where your resentment against Hyperion stems from - but know rather precisely where my resentment against AInc/McBill (and all endeavours where they're somehow involved in) originated.
Keyword: Coupon scam and subsequent frauds.

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Re: AMIGA Name bought by Commodore!
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paolone wrote:
@Dandy, and many others

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Yes, of course! Now I understand why they try to sell WIntel hardware with the OSses Windblows and Linux! It is because "they show interest to the original Amiga consept"! Why didn't I see that immediately? Stupid me...



Please, get real. Everyone.
...



I should have used the "sarcasm"-tags for my reply - sorry, my fault.

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Re: AMIGA Name bought by Commodore!
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@WolfToTheMoon

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WolfToTheMoon wrote:
@pavlor

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And also some personal question: You discarded Amiga OS, MorphOS and even AROS... I wonder what is you definition of "Amiga"?



My A500.
...




Ooooouuuuuuuuuch!

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Re: AMIGA Name bought by Commodore!
Posted on 6-Sep-2010 8:55:42
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Well is it just the brand that you like or the Aros on x86 hardware, because if you forget the great work done by the Aros developers, Pascal and I have been working on making this a reality for nearly two years with the IMICA and AresOne projects.

No old historic brand name but ready to buy now and play with, all this time we quietly went about getting drivers ready and showing the world when it was ready via YouTube.

I look forward to seeing videos of the new "Commodore Amiga" on x86 running natively.
...


Hopefully, inside a Commodore Amiga 500 case.


+


A compact Intel Core i5/i7 QM + AMD Mobility Radeon HD 4670/5730 motherboard**.

**I could fit a Dell Studio XPS 1645/1647 replacement motherboard (~$399 USD ) + heatpipes/heatsink + fan into an Amiga 500 case.

Dell Studio XPS 1645/1647 motherboard fitted into Dell Studio XPS 1645/1647 case.


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Posted on 6-Sep-2010 9:02:22
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@WolfToTheMoon

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WolfToTheMoon wrote:
@andres

...
Imagine how many people will feel nostalgia
...



42?
(As in "The answer to all questions is 42!")

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WolfToTheMoon wrote:

This is all possible because they are using x86 and proven software.



What "proven software"?
I'm not up to date regarding AROS - do they have any software at all, that runs under AROS on x86?
What software does AROS have?
Will software titles like DynaCadd, MaxonCad, NewIo, LogicalWorkbench, Cycas and the like run with AROS on x86?

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WolfToTheMoon wrote:

The only thing needed is a custom case.



???
I thought Commodore just have a licence to sell AIOs as Amigas?
So what "custom case" are you dreaming of?

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WolfToTheMoon wrote:

IMHO, if something doesn't go terribly wrong, mr. Altman may be a very rich man by this time next year.



IMHO, if something doesn't go terribly wrong, mr. Altman ill be one year older (and wiser?) by this time next year.

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WolfToTheMoon wrote:

Hyperion (and all of the others before them) had the option of doing this very same thing and decided not to. Tough luck.



This alone should make you think...

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Posted on 6-Sep-2010 9:11:28
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For those wanting a more Amiga like retro solution, go for X1000 or Sam4x0, or possibly a x86 Amiga with AROS, iMica, AresOne...

Just out of curiosity (and forgetting for a moment your cheap shot to AOS4 which you don't even know) but what does make you consider AROS/iMica/Ares more "retro" than CUSA's offering?

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Re: AMIGA Name bought by Commodore!
Posted on 6-Sep-2010 9:19:59
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Just out of curiosity (and forgetting for a moment your cheap shot to AOS4 which you don't even know) but what does make you consider AROS/iMica/Ares more "retro" than CUSA's offering?


The suggestion to go AROS/iMica/AresOne was for those not wanting to buy new x86 C= Amigas. I didn't try to compare which solution is more retro. I should have written Amiga-like...

I'll not be using my x86 Commodore/Amiga as a retro computer. I intend to do on them all the things I do on my PC/laptop now + emulating old stuff if I choose to do so, with the added coolness of a retro case and nice memories of the 80s and 90s it will evoke in me.

And I intend to enjoy them as much as I can

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