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RageMem benchmarks between OS4 machines
Posted on 3-Dec-2010 16:50:25
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Here's a RageMem benchmark comparison list between some OS4 machines.

All results in the following order:
* Amiga 4000T, CSPPC @ 233Mhz, mediator
* Sam440ep-flex 800 @ 799 Mhz with Radeon 9250
* Sam460ex 1.2 @ 1166 Mhz with unknown video card
* Pegasos 2 - 1.25 @ 1266 Mhz with unknown video card
* AmigaOne XE @ 1.4 Ghz with Radeon 9000 Pro

--- CPU ---

MAX MIPS: 465 //a4000t
MAX MIPS: 1598 //sam440ep-flex
MAX MIPS: 2332 //sam460ex
MAX MIPS: 3797 //peg2
MAX MIPS: 4194 //a1-xe

--- L1 cache ---

READ64: 1764 MB/Sec //a4000t
READ64: 5670 MB/Sec //sam440ep-flex
READ64: 9011 MB/Sec //sam460ex
READ64: 9650 MB/Sec //peg2
READ64: 10660 MB/Sec //a1-xe

WRITE32: 741 MB/Sec //a4000t
WRITE32: 2870 MB/Sec //sam440ep-flex
WRITE32: 4449 MB/Sec //sam460ex
WRITE32: 4136 MB/Sec //peg2
WRITE32: 4569 MB/Sec //a1-xe

--- RAM ---

READ32: 90 MB/Sec //a4000t
READ32: 298 MB/Sec //sam440ep-flex
READ32: 311 MB/Sec //sam460ex
READ32: 146 MB/Sec //peg2
READ32: 233 MB/Sec //a1-xe

WRITE64: 53 MB/Sec //a4000t
WRITE64: 165 MB/Sec //sam440ep-flex
WRITE64: 521 MB/Sec //sam460ex
WRITE64: 387 MB/Sec //peg2
WRITE64: 645 MB/Sec //a1-xe

WRITE: 86 MB/Sec (Tricky) //a4000t
WRITE: 894 MB/Sec (Tricky) //sam440ep-flex
WRITE: 1251 MB/Sec (Tricky) //sam460ex
WRITE: 733 MB/Sec (Tricky) //peg2
WRITE: 663 MB/Sec (Tricky) //a1-xe

--- VIDEO BUS ---

READ: 6 MB/Sec //a4000t
READ: 29 MB/Sec //sam440ep-flex
READ: 72 MB/Sec //sam460ex
READ: 49 MB/Sec //peg2
READ: 29 MB/Sec //a1-xe

WRITE: 8 MB/Sec //a4000t
WRITE: 63 MB/Sec //sam440ep-flex
WRITE: 261 MB/Sec //sam460ex
WRITE: 221 MB/Sec //peg2
WRITE: 169 MB/Sec //a1-xe

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Amiga 4000T, CSPPC @ 233Mhz, mediator
http://www.amigans.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=59112#forumpost59112

Sam440ep-flex 800 @ 799 Mhz with Radeon 9250
http://www.amigans.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=60373#forumpost60373

Sam460ex 1.2 @ 1166 Mhz with unknown video card
http://www.amigans.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=59270#forumpost59270

Pegasos 2 - 1.25 @ 1266 Mhz with unknown video card
http://www.amigans.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=59137#forumpost59137

AmigaOne XE @ 1.4 Ghz with Radeon 9000 Pro
http://www.amigans.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=59094#forumpost59094

PS: please, forgive any typos

Last edited by marko on 03-Dec-2010 at 05:15 PM.

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Re: RageMem benchmarks between OS4 machines
Posted on 3-Dec-2010 20:11:08
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@marko

nice comparison :)
Now we need also an X1000 bench :)

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balis 
Re: RageMem benchmarks between OS4 machines
Posted on 3-Dec-2010 23:31:03
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@Marko

Sam460 appears to be a good competitor vs the Peg2.

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Re: RageMem benchmarks between OS4 machines
Posted on 4-Dec-2010 0:31:50
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@balis

Yes, those Sam460 numbers are looking pretty good. And those are before any tweaking that may occur in the future.

Very tempting. What is the anticipated release on 460 - wasn't it supposed to be end of November?

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Re: RageMem benchmarks between OS4 machines
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@marko

I just noticed that benchmarks on AmigaOne-XE where at 1.4Ghz not on whats common 800Mhz, I have a 1 Ghz version my self.

Sam460 does rally well in all test whit the exception of L1 cache benchmark, way better then I expected or hoped.

Can't wait to see the X1000 benchmarks, I guess depends on getting SMP working.

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Re: RageMem benchmarks between OS4 machines
Posted on 4-Dec-2010 1:11:19
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@balis

Basilisk II is slow in window mode, you should have used full screen mode 640x480 or 800x600 in 32bit, you should be able to play some Quick Time movies (16bit is slower), (Maybe graphics does not look the same in full screen as on my computer.)

There are also a number of games that play OK in 8bit.

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Re: RageMem benchmarks between OS4 machines
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@gregthecanuck

Quote:
wasn't it supposed to be end of November?

Probably because of external factors delaying things abit, November has been extended by another 4 weeks or so...

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Re: RageMem benchmarks between OS4 machines
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@NutsAboutAmiga
I didn't make the video and it was made on a 1 Ghz board, not on a full speed one.

@gregthecanuck
Yes it was supposed to be available by now. Don't know why it's delayed.

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Speedy 
Re: RageMem benchmarks between OS4 machines
Posted on 4-Dec-2010 23:32:08
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Very nice.

Now, should i post the results of my i7 ?

/me hides

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Re: RageMem benchmarks between OS4 machines
Posted on 4-Dec-2010 23:38:33
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@Speedy

Maybe results of your C=One?

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Re: RageMem benchmarks between OS4 machines
Posted on 5-Dec-2010 9:00:28
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@Speedy

Quote:
Now, should i post the results of my i7 ?


Why not... if it runs OS4... (read title of this thread )

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Posted on 5-Dec-2010 11:26:45
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@Crisot

My SamEp 667Mhz, shows MIPs, around 1337. I have read by you, that in order to calculate the raw power in MHz, I have to divide by 3 (that is ~ 446Mhz).

Personally, I believe that this could be the real number, since I feel it way too underpowered and I can't think many other reasons, why all 3D games (except Quake 1) are so chunky (how crappy can be miniGL in AmigaOS at the end?).

In any case, can you please explain me why I have to divide by 3?

Is it possible to make a benchmark that calculates exactly this?

Why U-Boot shows otherwise also?

Have you got any idea why the video bus is so low? What could bottleneck the system so badly?

Sorry for lot of questions :)

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@Cool_amigaN

Quote:
Personally, I believe that this could be the real number


What has Minigl common with MIPS of your CPU?

Quote:
I have to divide by 3

For 440EP it is to divide by 2...

666 MHZ 440EP could be as fast as 500-600 MHz G3 in most applications.

Quote:
Have you got any idea why the video bus is so low? What could bottleneck the system so badly?


Did you applied latest updates from ACube?

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Re: RageMem benchmarks between OS4 machines
Posted on 5-Dec-2010 15:11:39
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@Cool_amigaN

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In any case, can you please explain me why I have to divide by 3?


divide by 2. The cpu technical specs indicate 2 DMIPS per MHZ performance.

compare against intel i7 which is 23.75 DMIPS per MHZ. ( x11.87 more powerful)

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Posted on 5-Dec-2010 19:44:35
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@Cool_amigaN

Quote:

In any case, can you please explain me why I have to divide by 3?


I'll try to explain...

A CPU is composed of differents units.
-Some units dedicated to simple integer maths (+, -).
-Some units dedicated to complexes integer maths (*, / ).
-Some units dedicated to floating points maths (simple or complex).
-Many other units (memory, branch, etc...).

If code is correctly written, all thoses units are able to work in parrallel, but it's also depending from a last unit, the "dispatch unit".

The dispatch unit "read the code" and send the correct instruction to the correct unit (simple, complex, float, etc...), but it is limited by its own working speed.

On a G4, the dispatch unit is able to dispatch 3 instructions per cycle. You CAN'T execute more than 3 instructions per cycles, even if you have "sleeping" units waiting for work (A PowerPC got much more than 3 units).

So if your frequency is 1000 Mhz, you can reach 3000 MIPS.

The PPC440 (and also PPC460 and G3), are only able to dispatch 2 instructions per cycles, so result is frequency x2. Your 666.666 Mhz SAM can reach up to 1333.333 MIPS.



If you feel your Sam a bit slow, that's unfortunately because Warp3D/MiniGL have to be replaced. Fortunately, Galium is coming. Wasted CPU power is really noticeable on a PPC440.



'Hope I was clear enough

Last edited by Crisot on 05-Dec-2010 at 07:46 PM.
Last edited by Crisot on 05-Dec-2010 at 07:45 PM.

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Re: RageMem benchmarks between OS4 machines
Posted on 6-Dec-2010 12:21:37
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Here is the test on Efika 5200b with OS4Emu v2:

Ram Disk:> ragemem

RAGEMEM v0.37 - compiled 11/06/2010

CPU: Unknown 0.0 @ 396 Mhz
Caches Sizes: L1: 16 KB - L2: none - L3: none
Cache Line: 0
CPU
MAX MIPS: 677
L1
READ32: 1499 MB/Sec
READ64: 2396 MB/Sec
WRITE32: 1331 MB/Sec
WRITE64: 2393 MB/Sec
RAM
READ32: 204 MB/Sec
READ64: 215 MB/Sec
WRITE32: 141 MB/Sec
WRITE64: 141 MB/Sec
WRITE: 259 MB/Sec (Tricky)
VIDEO BUS
READ: 24 MB/Sec
WRITE: 71 MB/Sec

Last edited by DaNi on 06-Dec-2010 at 12:24 PM.
Last edited by DaNi on 06-Dec-2010 at 12:23 PM.
Last edited by DaNi on 06-Dec-2010 at 12:22 PM.

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Comparison A1 G3 with 512 MB ram and SAM 460ex with 2 MB DDR2 ram.

I am told that according to Max Treteme of ACube and Hans De Ruiter who is working on the Radeon driver, the 460 values from ragemem are a bit low due to WIP status. I have only just learned of this thread.

Except for the small L2 cache the SAM460 appears to have a considerable edge on the A1 all the way. I'm not quite certain what the video bus is measuring.

Noel


A1 benchmark test SAM460ex test

RAGEMEM v0.37 - compiled 11/06/2010

CPU: IBM PowerPC 750 FX 2.2 @ 800 Mhz AMCC PPC460EX 1.2 @ 1150 Mhz
Caches Sizes: L1: 32 KB - L2: 512 KB L1: 32 KB - L2: 256 KB
Cache Line: 32 128

---CPU ---
MAX MIPS: 1588 2298

--- L1 ---
READ32: 3026 MB/Sec 4313 MB/Sec
READ64: 6026 MB/Sec 8593 MB/Sec
WRITE32: 2681 MB/Sec 4204 MB/Sec
WRITE64: 4033 MB/Sec 8357 MB/Sec

--- L2 ---
READ32: 1536 MB/Sec 1035 MB/Sec
READ64: 2077 MB/Sec 1035 MB/Sec
WRITE32: 1370 MB/Sec 461 MB/Sec
WRITE64: 1939 MB/Sec 462 MB/Sec

--- RAM ---
READ32: 177 MB/Sec 283 MB/Sec
READ64: 186 MB/Sec 283 MB/Sec
WRITE32: 113 MB/Sec 461 MB/Sec
WRITE64: 113 MB/Sec 461 MB/Sec
WRITE: 588 MB/Sec (Tricky) 864 MB/Sec (Tricky)

--- VIDEO BUS ---
READ: 27 MB/Sec 66 MB/Sec
WRITE: 168 MB/Sec 157 MB/Sec



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@NoelFuller

The write to L2 and RAM is the same on the 460 suggests it has some form of write-through enabled so that everything written is always flushed directly to RAM at the same time. That may not need to be the case in the final version.

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The 460 may end up improved if they can get the FSB to 200MHz. Currently it's 166MHz with a cpu multiplier of 7. If it's reliable at 116X (166.x * 7) then it will probably still be stable with an fsb of 200 and a multiplier of 6...I'd even settle for 5.5...

Hopefully a future version of the 460 will be able to handle even faster DDR2 memory.

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Posted on 19-Mar-2011 21:42:25
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My Ragemem results

Sam460ex with Radeon 4300 Mobility 667Mhz mem

RAGEMEM v0.37 - compiled 11/06/2010

CPU: AMCC PPC460EX 1.2 @ 1150 Mhz
Caches Sizes: L1: 32 KB - L2: 256 KB - L3: none
Cache Line: 128

--- CPU ---
MAX MIPS: 2298

--- L1 ---
READ32: 4329 MB/Sec
READ64: 8622 MB/Sec
WRITE32: 4230 MB/Sec
WRITE64: 8404 MB/Sec

--- L2 ---
READ32: 1260 MB/Sec
READ64: 1267 MB/Sec
WRITE32: 495 MB/Sec
WRITE64: 495 MB/Sec

--- RAM ---
READ32: 334 MB/Sec
READ64: 335 MB/Sec
WRITE32: 495 MB/Sec
WRITE64: 495 MB/Sec
WRITE: 968 MB/Sec (Tricky)

--- VIDEO BUS ---
READ: 70 MB/Sec
WRITE: 157 MB/Sec

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