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wawa 
Re: Its there C-USA will sell A1000 A2000 A3000..under Workbench 5.0
Posted on 13-Dec-2010 16:46:18
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@Tomas

dont think they can drive away any potential users that are currently not interested in first place. or even informed something like "amiga" even existed. however whom they really can drive away are people who follow os4 path only for the sake of belief that this is the official brand development path.

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Re: Its there C-USA will sell A1000 A2000 A3000..under Workbench 5.0
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hope macintosh users will not start to sue apple yet after they found out their os is a nice gui stuffed over a *nix core and runs on x86..

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Re: Its there C-USA will sell A1000 A2000 A3000..under Workbench 5.0
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@Tomas

How much "Windows" is Windows7 for someone only knowing Windows3.1 ?

How much "MacOS" is SnowLeo for someone only knowing MacOS7 ?

What would someone not following the past 15 years expect when he hears "Amiga" or "workbench" ?

A super-über game-console with the by far best games on the market ?

A computer based on "powe with out the price" ?

Or a military-surplus CPU from 2006 on a 2000$ mobo ?

As allready pointed out being stupid does not make someone else a criminal.

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Re: Its there C-USA will sell A1000 A2000 A3000..under Workbench 5.0
Posted on 13-Dec-2010 16:53:06
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@Tomas

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If they are using the name workbench then they are breaking the law. Workbench is a part of Amiga OS which hyperion owns now.



Hyperion don't own Amiga OS. They have an exclusive right to modify the 3.1 sources and an exclusive license to the name Amiga OS or AmigaOS.

According to information on Cloanto's website, Workbench is a registered trademark of Cloanto.

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Kronos wrote:
@Tomas

How much "Windows" is Windows7 for someone only knowing Windows3.1 ?

How much "MacOS" is SnowLeo for someone only knowing MacOS7 ?

What would someone not following the past 15 years expect when he hears "Amiga" or "workbench" ?

A super-über game-console with the by far best games on the market ?

A computer based on "powe with out the price" ?

Or a military-surplus CPU from 2006 on a 2000$ mobo ?

As allready pointed out being stupid does not make someone else a criminal.


Perhaps the closest answer on your question will be this...

http://www.osnews.com/story/24088/The_Best-Selling_Computer_of_All_Time_-_Sort_of

If that is the best selling computer of all time, what can you expect as answers on your questions... hopefully it is not the best computer of all time because of its color...

I still think that the best selling computer of all time is Commodore Amiga, not some
pink gaming console, comparing those times with present one....


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Tomas 
Re: Its there C-USA will sell A1000 A2000 A3000..under Workbench 5.0
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Within the framework of the settlement agreement Hyperion is granted an exclusive, perpetual, worldwide right to AmigaOS 3.1 in order to use, develop, modify, commercialize, distribute and market AmigaOS 4.x (and subsequent versions of AmigaOS including without limitation AmigaOS 5) in any form, on any medium and for any current or future hardware platform under the exclusive trademark "AmigaOS" (Amiga operating system) and using other associated trademarks (such as the "BoingBall" logo).

Isnt this close enough??
Amiga INC cant do #### with the name/OS anymore as long as Hyperion is still alive and actively developing Amiga OS.

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@Tomas

Quote:

Tomas wrote:
@Rob
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Within the framework of the settlement agreement Hyperion is granted an exclusive, perpetual, worldwide right to AmigaOS 3.1 in order to use, develop, modify, commercialize, distribute and market AmigaOS 4.x (and subsequent versions of AmigaOS including without limitation AmigaOS 5) in any form, on any medium and for any current or future hardware platform under the exclusive trademark "AmigaOS" (Amiga operating system) and using other associated trademarks (such as the "BoingBall" logo).

Isnt this close enough??
Amiga INC cant do #### with the name/OS anymore as long as Hyperion is still alive and actively developing Amiga OS.



Where do you see the word, Workbench in that text?

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Re: Its there C-USA will sell A1000 A2000 A3000..under Workbench 5.0
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@Tomas

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Isnt this close enough?? Amiga INC cant do #### with the name/OS anymore as long as Hyperion is still alive and actively developing Amiga OS.


And who else besides Hyperion has named their OS as "Amiga OS"?

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@Tomas

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I really dont understand their logic as it will in the end drive users away when they notice it is nothing but a linux box.


I would have said the same as you 10 years ago, but today there's really not that much issues with Linux that it couldn't be used by mainstream users.

And as long as it runs classic(and future) commodore/amiga software(and it will) + all of the apps ubuntu runs, why would you care what's "under the hood?

Workbench 5.0 will satisfy all the needs and wants of a average computer user today.

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Re: Its there C-USA will sell A1000 A2000 A3000..under Workbench 5.0
Posted on 13-Dec-2010 17:33:05
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@X86_Amigist

Because it is major OS component
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiga_Workbench

It would be like naming OS Windows 8 or Windows Desktop XX
depending on parallel.

As explained, it should fall under either Cloanto or Hyperion IP
and use as presented would be a breach as it indicates
the next version of Amiga Workbench, and thus AmigaOS 5
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiga_Workbench#Workbench_4.1

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Re: Its there C-USA will sell A1000 A2000 A3000..under Workbench 5.0
Posted on 13-Dec-2010 19:53:08
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Well, I did not read through the whole thread, I guess they are just delivering an easy to use Linux and a somehow integrated AmigaForever. As Cloanto holds the trademark "Workbench", why shouldn't they grant it to CUSA, if they can sell thousand and thousands AmigaForevers !
Selling a Retro C64 or Amiga Hardware (Case wise) needs Retro (Emulated) software as well. Makes sense at least !

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Posted on 13-Dec-2010 19:55:55
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@vox

More like calling your OS 'Explorer', I would say.

It's not the same though - Microsoft, being professionals, didn't forget to trademark names associated with their products. Nor did they have a court battle splitting the ownership of the Windows name between two companies that hate each other.

Comparing the lunacy of the Amiga world to professional business is always a mistake!

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Posted on 13-Dec-2010 20:01:22
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I don't get it...
What's going on ? Did C-USA buy AROS ? or what ?
What WB5 all about ? Can't find any info on it.

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@Metalheart

How could they buy AROS?

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Posted on 13-Dec-2010 20:09:40
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@clebin

I dont know, I already said I didn't get it.... didn't I ?

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Posted on 13-Dec-2010 20:19:08
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@Thom_Holwerda

FYI: Trademark is currently "IN DISPUTE", and being handled by the attorneys.

...And thanks to whoever did this, and sent me the link; PRICELESS!!

http://www.osnewshack.citymax.com/index.html

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Crawff 
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Posted on 13-Dec-2010 20:19:59
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@Metalheart

This is getting confusing.

Any official info from Commodore USA?

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vox 
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Posted on 13-Dec-2010 20:23:13
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@Metalheart

Its seems they are experimenting with Ubuntu + UAE + VICE and call it all in one
"Workbench 5". More we will know once they unveil their mistery new web site
since as of today, it looses most of its pics and contact. But still features Queen`s
love for life.
http://www.commodoreusa.net/Home.html

To have it full in the pocket, buying some easy licence for minimal Cloanto Foerever (about 20 euros) would be a must for them, alongside with IP rights to use.

Yes, now we see how legal mumbo jumbo of Amiga Inc companies can be fully exploited (or used, depends how do you look at it) with proper budget and sense of what to do.

In Classic emulation world it might at the end turned to be good - with "properly named" package and computer look, but to what I call "AmigaNG" community it`s just a step in already known and explored universe. It`s not a direct competitor, but it causes a lot of confusion to old users anaware of NG development. However, eventually they will be forced to see that it is another emu box and decide is it their next PeeCee.

So, let`s order of sequences and future of 2011. I am not gonna loose my nerves ower CUSA`s action anymore: let them do theirs, and I`m not gonna buy something I can set up on my own, no matter how cute it looks.

So take a breathe "x86 Amigans" my crusade is over ))

Let users judge hurshly or support your actions.

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Posted on 13-Dec-2010 20:24:59
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@Deniil715

sure, it remember me when I was writing articles for AmigaNews, you always want to have infos that others magazines don't :o)

Kamel

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Posted on 13-Dec-2010 20:25:11
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@digitex

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FYI: Trademark is currently "IN DISPUTE", and being handled by the attorneys.

are you able yet to confirm/deny that commodore USA has plans to ship an amiga-branded product with a 'workbench'-branded OS assuming all legal issues surrounding the trademark usage in the US is settled?

if not, are you able to discuss the approximate date at which your amiga-branded line of systems are expected to be unveiled? folks are rather curious at where this is all headed....

-- eliyahu

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