Poster | Thread |
AmigaHeretic
| |
[Poll] Is X1000 vaporware?...take 2 Posted on 22-Jan-2011 21:24:23
| | [ #1 ] |
|
|
|
Super Member |
Joined: 7-Mar-2003 Posts: 1697
From: Oregon | | |
|
| We're coming up on a year since the original poll was started. http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=30916&forum=33&68
Looks like the voting ended with 61 Yes and 116 No votes.
I'm curious if any have changed their minds almost a year later, hence the new poll.
From what I understand this turned out to exactly as I was warning about. People have since paid $1000s of dollars and no boards shipped. Is that still currently the case? _________________ A3000D (16mhz, 2MB Chip, 4MB Fast, SCSI (300+MB), SuperGen Genlock, Kick 3.1) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Back in my day, we didn't have water. We only had Oxygen & Hydrogen, & we'd just shove 'em together |
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
zerohero
| |
Re: [Poll] Is X1000 vaporware?...take 2 Posted on 22-Jan-2011 21:49:27
| | [ #2 ] |
|
|
|
Team Member |
Joined: 4-May-2004 Posts: 2524
From: Uddevalla, Sweden | | |
|
| @AmigaHeretic
You're walking a very thin line here, you know that. One more trolling ban and you're off this site for good. No way back. Keep that in mind with every post you make from now on. You're at strike three on the trolling scale, and you're not contributing in a positive way.
Regards, Joachim Birging
AmigaWorld.Net staff _________________ Common sense - So rare it's almost like a super power |
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
vox
| |
Re: [Poll] Is X1000 vaporware?...take 2 Posted on 22-Jan-2011 22:05:56
| | [ #3 ] |
|
|
|
Elite Member |
Joined: 12-Jun-2005 Posts: 3731
From: Belgrade, Serbia | | |
|
| @AmigaHeretic
Its not Elite 4, Duke Forever ... yet.
There is some communication and presentation once a year. Beta testing should be ongoing now?
After Hyperion realises OS 4.1 Classic they will focus on X1000 version.
So sometime 2011. Bad case of PR, but same plagued almost all Amiga products after Commodore vanished (Commodore US might be legal, but is not real continuation). EP460 was tested for couple years, delayed (was also to be about X1000 realise, but made it before), SAM EP440 was presented as Samantha long time ago ... _________________ Future Acube and MOS supporter, fi di good, nothing fi di unprofessionals. Learn it harder way! |
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
fingus
| |
Re: [Poll] Is X1000 vaporware?...take 2 Posted on 22-Jan-2011 22:07:30
| | [ #4 ] |
|
|
|
Cult Member |
Joined: 20-Oct-2006 Posts: 747
From: Havixbeck / Germany | | |
|
| X1000 isn't Vaporware, because you can touch it and play with it around on several meetings in the past!
_________________ I´m back in 2023 on Classic Amiga with my A1200/Blizzard1230IB@50Mhz, 32MB RAM, AmigaOS3.2 and ROMs, Indivision AGA MK3, Author of Amiga-Flipclock (OS4) |
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
Kronos
| |
Re: [Poll] Is X1000 vaporware?...take 2 Posted on 22-Jan-2011 22:14:58
| | [ #5 ] |
|
|
|
Elite Member |
Joined: 8-Mar-2003 Posts: 2553
From: Unknown | | |
|
| @fingus
Dunno, DukeNukem4ever has a new trailer an even a release date (which I'd say is about the same level as showing preproduction HW-samples).
Not sure if I'd removed the vapor-sticker from it allready. _________________ - We don't need good ideas, we haven't run out on bad ones yet - blame Canada |
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
number6
| |
Re: [Poll] Is X1000 vaporware?...take 2 Posted on 22-Jan-2011 22:27:50
| | [ #6 ] |
|
|
|
Elite Member |
Joined: 25-Mar-2005 Posts: 11540
From: In the village | | |
|
| @AmigaHeretic
AW Post #33 part of a discussion of what constitutes vaporware hardware
The time frame informally agreed upon was 2 years, not one. And that's just an understanding from those who responded in one particular thread.
#6
_________________ This posting, in its entirety, represents solely the perspective of the author. *Secrecy has served us so well* |
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
sundown
| |
Re: [Poll] Is X1000 vaporware?...take 2 Posted on 22-Jan-2011 22:33:54
| | [ #7 ] |
|
|
|
Elite Member |
Joined: 30-Aug-2003 Posts: 5120
From: Right here... | | |
|
| @AmigaHeretic
If there were any issues you would see this forum and all other Amiga forums explode with activity.
Edit: spelling Last edited by sundown on 22-Jan-2011 at 11:03 PM.
_________________ Hate tends to make you look stupid... |
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
Hondo
| |
Re: [Poll] Is X1000 vaporware?...take 2 Posted on 22-Jan-2011 22:34:45
| | [ #8 ] |
|
|
|
Super Member |
Joined: 10-Apr-2003 Posts: 1370
From: Denmark | | |
|
| @AmigaHeretic
You know for a guy who owns an Amiga 3000, I oughta have more respect, because that's truely an amiga fan who owns such a computer. But the way you treat this X1000 project, it's almost like you want it to fail....where did that A3000 owners love for special computers go ?? - did it suddenly end because some keypeople were unpolite in one of the worlds hardest forums?? - No matter what you think of the dudes making this project happen, you could at least have the dignity to leave the products alone. Just do it for the sake of the amiga!
Go for the man, not the project - we need this X1000 thing man!
_________________ On Planet Boing Trevor is God |
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
samo79
| |
Re: [Poll] Is X1000 vaporware?...take 2 Posted on 22-Jan-2011 22:43:28
| | [ #9 ] |
|
|
|
Elite Member |
Joined: 13-Feb-2003 Posts: 3505
From: Italy, Perugia | | |
|
| The usual "waste of time" thread ...
_________________ BACK FOR THE FUTURE
http://www.betatesting.it/backforthefuture
Sam440ep Flex 800 Mhz 1 GB Ram + AmigaOS 4.1 Update 6 AmigaOne XE G3 800 Mhz - 640 MB Ram - Radeon 9200 SE + AmigaOS 4.1 Update 6 |
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
Kicko
| |
Re: [Poll] Is X1000 vaporware?...take 2 Posted on 22-Jan-2011 23:12:13
| | [ #10 ] |
|
|
|
Elite Member |
Joined: 19-Jun-2004 Posts: 5009
From: Sweden | | |
|
| @AmigaHeretic
havent you checked any video where x1000 was demoed by several people ? or you just are bored. |
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
AmigaHeretic
| |
Re: [Poll] Is X1000 vaporware?...take 2 Posted on 23-Jan-2011 0:30:59
| | [ #11 ] |
|
|
|
Super Member |
Joined: 7-Mar-2003 Posts: 1697
From: Oregon | | |
|
| @Kicko
Quote:
Kicko wrote: @AmigaHeretic
havent you checked any video where x1000 was demoed by several people ? or you just are bored. |
I'm not saying it doesn't exist. I have seen it. I asked back then and asking again a year later if it is (as the poll says by Wikipedia's defention) vaporware.
"Vaporware describes products, usually computer hardware or software, not released on the date announced by their developer, or announced months or years before their release. "
"Vaporware" was coined by a Microsoft engineer in 1982 to describe the company's Xenix operating system, and first published by computer expert Esther Dyson in 1983. It became popular among writers in the industry as a way to describe products they felt took too long to be released. "
I think, as someone brought up, Duke Nukem is a excellent example of Vaporware in the extreme. It missed release date after release date, after release date.
However, plenty of people have played beta versions of Duke Nukem, there have been many videos released throughout the years. I don't think there was ever a question that Duke Nukem Forever existed, it was the fact that it was continually never released. _________________ A3000D (16mhz, 2MB Chip, 4MB Fast, SCSI (300+MB), SuperGen Genlock, Kick 3.1) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Back in my day, we didn't have water. We only had Oxygen & Hydrogen, & we'd just shove 'em together |
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
Nicsoft
| |
Re: [Poll] Is X1000 vaporware?...take 2 Posted on 23-Jan-2011 0:41:28
| | [ #12 ] |
|
|
|
Regular Member |
Joined: 5-Sep-2004 Posts: 237
From: Sweden | | |
|
| The AmigaOS 4.1 CD:s will be shipped to ACube in a week from now! The Sam460ex motherboard has been ready for delivery for months, but Acube have had to wait for Hyperion to finish the Sam460ex version (of OS 4.1)...
Porting AmigaOS 4.1 to X1000 is a much bigger task, so therefore you shouldn't be so eager to call it vaporware!
|
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
Boot_WB
| |
Re: [Poll] Is X1000 vaporware?...take 2 Posted on 23-Jan-2011 1:17:55
| | [ #13 ] |
|
|
|
Super Member |
Joined: 14-Feb-2006 Posts: 1134
From: Kingston upon Hull, UK | | |
|
| @Nicsoft
Quote:
Nicsoft wrote: The Sam460ex motherboard has been ready for delivery for months, but Acube have had to wait for Hyperion to finish the Sam460ex version (of OS 4.1)...
|
Good grief. Is that accurate?
Hardware ready to ship, all chip/board documentation available and supplied (pre-, during- and post- design/production), and a delay between hardware/software readiness of months? That's very hard to understand in ANY market. I know it's a weird monopoly situation here, but... MONTHS??!
That can't be right, surely.
@Amigaheretic
Despite Wikipedia's entry on Vaporware, we all know the connotations of calling something vaporware in Amiga-land. Last edited by Boot_WB on 23-Jan-2011 at 01:23 AM.
_________________ Troll - n., A disenfranchised former potential customer who remains interested enough to stay informed and express critical opinions. opp., the vast majority who voted silently with their feet. |
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
eXec
| |
Re: [Poll] Is X1000 vaporware?...take 2 Posted on 23-Jan-2011 1:18:03
| | [ #14 ] |
|
|
|
Cult Member |
Joined: 21-Jun-2004 Posts: 956
From: Burkina Faso | | |
|
| @zerohero
Quote:
zerohero wrote: you're not contributing in a positive way.
Regards, Joachim Birging
AmigaWorld.Net staff |
Anyone got his fully working mainboard? Anyone touched it? Inside his own desktop tower?
_________________ ____ ...administration is for serious people only.... |
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
Derfs
| |
Re: [Poll] Is X1000 vaporware?...take 2 Posted on 23-Jan-2011 1:19:24
| | [ #15 ] |
|
|
|
Cult Member |
Joined: 8-Mar-2003 Posts: 787
From: me To: you | | |
|
| @AmigaHeretic
that definition means that when it was announced in Jan 2010, the next day it was vaporware as it wasnt released yet.
Quote:
It is generally used to describe a hardware or software product that has been announced by its developer, but that has not yet been released
|
also in the article..
Quote:
Using the word usually implies a negative opinion of the product or its developer by the writer
|
_________________
|
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
Derfs
| |
Re: [Poll] Is X1000 vaporware?...take 2 Posted on 23-Jan-2011 1:21:31
| | [ #16 ] |
|
|
|
Cult Member |
Joined: 8-Mar-2003 Posts: 787
From: me To: you | | |
|
| @Boot_WB
betatesters cant test it without the boards, now they have the boards it can be betatested, and that takes a finite amount of time. same situation as the sam440. _________________
|
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
number6
| |
Re: [Poll] Is X1000 vaporware?...take 2 Posted on 23-Jan-2011 1:25:38
| | [ #17 ] |
|
|
|
Elite Member |
Joined: 25-Mar-2005 Posts: 11540
From: In the village | | |
|
| @thread
Regarding post #12, there is no announcement currently on Acube's site, nor on Amigakit's site concerning product shipment. I therefore would not rush to judgment about what the post indicates.
#6
_________________ This posting, in its entirety, represents solely the perspective of the author. *Secrecy has served us so well* |
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
Boot_WB
| |
Re: [Poll] Is X1000 vaporware?...take 2 Posted on 23-Jan-2011 1:30:37
| | [ #18 ] |
|
|
|
Super Member |
Joined: 14-Feb-2006 Posts: 1134
From: Kingston upon Hull, UK | | |
|
| [EDIT] Off-topic. Last edited by Boot_WB on 23-Jan-2011 at 01:35 AM. Last edited by Boot_WB on 23-Jan-2011 at 01:34 AM.
_________________ Troll - n., A disenfranchised former potential customer who remains interested enough to stay informed and express critical opinions. opp., the vast majority who voted silently with their feet. |
|
Status: Offline |
|
|
NutsAboutAmiga
| |
Re: [Poll] Is X1000 vaporware?...take 2 Posted on 23-Jan-2011 1:39:51
| | [ #19 ] |
|
|
|
Elite Member |
Joined: 9-Jun-2004 Posts: 12795
From: Norway | | |
|
| |
Status: Offline |
|
|
NESAssassin
| |
Re: [Poll] Is X1000 vaporware?...take 2 Posted on 23-Jan-2011 2:01:11
| | [ #20 ] |
|
|
|
Member |
Joined: 9-Jan-2011 Posts: 13
From: Unknown | | |
|
| @samo79
Quote:
samo79 wrote: The usual "waste of time" thread ...
|
No so sure samo79. I think I want a the X1000 board, but I think the people are the pay already take away the money but no board? Interesting sure for the time. Why not board shipping? Seem strange in Japan to pay but not get the board and still be happy for the situation, no?
|
|
Status: Offline |
|
|