@NutsAboutAmiga

Good reasons to remain positive.

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The implementation in OS4 might have been blocked by the aquisition of SciTech by someone else a couple of years ago

Unlikely. SNAP was announced as the OS4 display technology of choice more than 8 years ago.

26 months later, the port was described by Rogue as "finished but not integrated". A further 4 months later, integration was suggested for OS4 final by Entilzha.

It was yet another 15 months later that SciTech announced they were getting out of the driver business, and two years after *that* that the Snap technology (not Scitech itself) was acquired by Alt Richmond, Inc.

So between Hyperion/Scitech partnership announcement (February 2003) and acquisition of technology by a third party (December 2008), almost 6 years passed. And reading back through a couple of Ben Hermans interviews and comments regarding that announcement, the job of adapting the technology for OS4 was anticipated to be fairly minor.

@umisef

UBoot has an x86 emulator to initialize PCI/AGP cards, I don’t know if its related to SNAP or not, but who needs snap when we have native drivers anyway.

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@umisef

Comment like this is good reason not to share everything whit the community.

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Comment like this is good reason not to share everything whit the community.

Every religion hates being called on their action and past.

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but who needs snap when we have native drivers anyway.

Back in those days we only had native drivers for some Voodoo cards, and possibly one or two other chipsets, don't remember exactly. SNAP would have added support for just about every chipset you could find, which would have been quite handy. Even today the number of supported chipsets are very limited...

@opi

Where are you going whit you comment? Please clarify?

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opi wrote: @NutsAboutAmiga Quote: Comment like this is good reason not to share everything whit the community. Every religion hates being called on their action and past.

We are talking about (computer) science , and you know, religion and sciencie do not get along very well

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AmiDog wrote: @NutsAboutAmiga Quote: but who needs snap when we have native drivers anyway. Back in those days we only had native drivers for some Voodoo cards, and possibly one or two other chipsets, don't remember exactly. SNAP would have added support for just about every chipset you could find, which would have been quite handy. Even today the number of supported chipsets are very limited...

Is better to have few chipset drivers well supported and integrated than have less integrated support for all chipsets. Anyway with SNAP we would have get 2D support only and probably without hardware accelerated desktop.
As SNAP is a third party company product and is not in control of hyperion i think taht is not fair to blame hyperion, sure there is a good reason for which they did not or cannot included SNAP

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Where are you going whit you comment? Please clarify?

I was joking on your stance that reminds me one that is being used by religious apologists. You're blaming Umisef for remembering SNAP roadmap.

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Comment like this is good reason not to share everything whit the community.

What do you mean by that?

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umisef post recollects a history of development that was unknown to me. my thanks. it adds to a big picture of past achievements and expected further development. and as to question, to share or not to share (with the community), what exactly remains if you choose not to share?

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NutsAboutAmiga wrote: @umisef UBoot has an x86 emulator to initialize PCI/AGP cards, I don’t know if its related to SNAP or not, but who needs snap when we have native drivers anyway.

This x86 emulator was written by SciTech.

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@damocles

Are you really interested, ok I explain even if it’s obvious.

If you announcement is going to be used against you, then you better not announce anything that’s way safer and way more professional, don’t you think?

Some "people" spend a lot of time dragging things past mistakes from 7 years ago, and unisef have successfully turned this tread in to some thihng totally off topic, of course I’m religions fanatic because I don’t like that.

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Umisef presented facts to Trixie post about SNAP technology. Deal with it.

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then you better not announce anything that’s way safer and way more professional, don’t you think

Yeah, but what would Amiga scene be without vapor? Amy'05PandaPowerVixxenDragon.

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dragging things past mistakes from 7 years ago

People who forget history are doomed to repeat it. Do you still remember the board that was delayed, you had to buy it "as betatester" to run Linux on it? Yup.

Every "future development" is being heralded with big fanfare, and after something goes wrong mentioning it is "trolling". Can't deliver before summer? Don't say so. You said it? You're going to get quoted on it.

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wawa wrote: @OldFart hmm, what sudden surprises do you refer to, say within last one or two years as example? i mean something positive and factual of course.

You have not noticed yet, ACube-Systems do not preannounce anything.

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you had to buy it "as betatester" to run Linux on it? Yup.

LOL, you had to buy it even if you were not a beta tester see my signature.

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about acube sam460? it has been repeatedly announced to be available last year, postponed few times without comment, finally it got released in all hurry without even complete driver support it seems. but, right, it is available at least. one has to admit even if late and incomplete, acube apparently did their best to stand up to their announcements.

@Trixie

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SNAP was the name. The implementation in OS4 might have been blocked by the aquisition of SciTech by someone else a couple of years ago but I'm speculating here because Hyperion never gave any further info regarding the outcome of the SNAP deal.

IIRC the idea was to create a Picasso96-SNAP driver so you could simply leave that part out and include your own driver if there was any problem.

BTW, I think Gallium is possible on OS4, AROS guys already proved it was possible to use Gallium in an Amiga-like OS but I don't think it will come anytime soon. It will be added to the big to do list together with WB, Nova, auto stack enlargement, Snap...

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Is better to have few chipset drivers well supported and integrated than have less integrated support for all chipsets. Anyway with SNAP we would have get 2D support only and probably without hardware accelerated desktop.

Did you use any Scitech product back in the days? Scitech Display Doctor was accelerated and way faster and bug free compared to original drivers. It worked on various OSes quite efficiently. FYI Picasso96 doesn't provide much 2D acceleration apart from blitter block copy and Overlay stuff (that's not rocket science, it's supported by SDD too). Apart from politics/license stuff SDD drivers would have been probably faster, more stable and would have allowed users to choose a wide range of graphic cards.

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