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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000
Posted on 17-Apr-2011 13:55:54
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@drHirudo

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Well, I am probably one of these fans that you are talking about. I neither agreed, neither disagreed. I stayed quiet because he is as irrelevant to the Amiga as he have been in the last 27 years. He is not a part of the original Amiga team, what he designed at Commodore was mostly for the 8-bits (C-128) and the for the Amiga stuff - well people outside Commodore created better CPU cards etc.

Of course you are free to disagree or agree with me, but this is my point of view.


You forgot to add "completely clueless" to "my point of view".
This is not something you could simply agree or disagree with: get your facts straight or STFU, dude.
He made ####LOADS of Amiga-related HW engineering at Commodore.

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minator 
Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000
Posted on 17-Apr-2011 13:56:38
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@KingKong

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Europe has to develop its own hardware (CPU, GPU, ...) and own OS because anything from USA is out of option (for security reasons). AmigaOS and hardware can be developed with money from the EU (think of some 1.000.000.000 ) and it will pay because of all the money saved from MS & Intel.

Well, what do you think? What hardware could be a good starting point? How to convince the EU (European Union)?



Russia and China both have strategic CPU developments (Elbrus and Godson). If they have a "national OS" it'll be based on Linux.

If the EU wanted an OS it'd also be based on Linux, there's no good reason to base it on anything else.

As for hardware, multiple CPUs and GPUs are both developed and owned within the EU so there's no need to buy anything.

BTW the PA-Semi chip would be completely useless for this purpose because it's based on an architecture owned by IBM.

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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000
Posted on 17-Apr-2011 13:59:12
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@KingKong

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Europe has to develop its own hardware (CPU, GPU, ...) and own OS ...


ARM and Linux are (more or less) European developments.

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AmigaOS and hardware can be developed with money from the EU (think of some 1.000.000.000 ) and it will pay because of all the money saved from MS & Intel.


AmigaOS (until AOS3.1) is an US product, the CPUs needed for AOS3 are US CPUs and the CPU for AOS4 are US CPUs. I don't think any AmigaOS would be an option and I don't believe AmigaOS could compete with Linux.

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I think it would be a good idea to buy the P.A. Semi stuff ...


Most of PPC stuff is based on IBM and Freescale patents and developments, They are as US as they could be.

Well it seems to me as if you are searching a nieche for AmigaOS, likea lot of other proposals (AmigaOS for TablettPCs; AmigaOS for Phones; AmigaOS for PDAs; AmigaOS for Automotive Information Systems, AmigaOS for Game Consoles; ...) you don't see what already exist in that markets.

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I borrowed this comments from here (#27 & #28):
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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000
Posted on 17-Apr-2011 13:59:49
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The cpu market is changing. nobody is really sure where it is going.

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While the microprocessor market traditionally has been dominated by sales of Intel and AMD X86 products to the PC market, the year 2010 was marked by the rise of a new platform: the media tablet, led by Apple's iPad which employed a non-X86 device at its heart designed by Apple and manufactured by Samsung Electronics.

IHS said it believes unit shipments of media tablets soared to 17.4 million in 2010, up from zero in 2009, with levels expected to grow to more than 240 million units in 2015.

The year 2010 was a period of major transitions in the microprocessor market, with suppliers facing a raft of changes, ranging from the new competitive threat posed by media tablets to the robust post-recession recovery, to the technology revolution spurred by the rise of graphics-enabled microprocessors (GEMs), said Matthew Wilkins, principal analyst of compute platforms for IHS.

Meanwhile, PC microprocessor technology underwent a fundamental change in 2010, with GEMs becoming a major portion of total sales in 2010. GEMs represented more than one-third of total microprocessor shipments for notebook and desktop PCs alike in 2010. Both Intel and AMD announced GEM products targeting the mainstream notebook and desktop segments in 2010, as they raced with each other to keep on top of this new technology trend.

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Arko 
Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000
Posted on 17-Apr-2011 14:04:52
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@KingKong

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Curiously enough millions think that MS has any value for the real world.



convince only 10% of them buying an AmigaOS4 or at least an AROS system, than we are back in business again.

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I borrowed this comments from here (#27 & #28):
http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=38873&forum=2&start=20&order=0

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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000
Posted on 17-Apr-2011 14:09:07
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@Spectre660

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The cpu market is changing. nobody is really sure where it is going.
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But for sure not in the PPC way...

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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000
Posted on 17-Apr-2011 14:10:44
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@TrevorDick

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For everyone who is thinking that the Power architecture is a dead end after PA-Semi. Take a peek at the Freescale QorIQ Processing Platforms by Family.


What cores are those CPUs running? Are those SoCs, and if so, what GPU are they running?

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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000
Posted on 17-Apr-2011 14:12:34
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@KingKong

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AmigaOS is small and can well be developed


It's a closed system from 90s with 50 active developers. Developing it to the point it would met requirements of any govt-related institution would mean destroying it. AmigaOS was never mend to be "high security" OS.

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MS is too big, it's over for them


Amiga is over since 1994, I wish Amiga was as "over" as MS is.

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Well, the fans of Amiga better think of some good reasons


There is zero reason to pick up AmigaOS as EU-OS. There's no reason to have EU-OS at all.

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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000
Posted on 17-Apr-2011 14:18:47
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@Arko

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Most of PPC stuff is based on IBM and Freescale patents and developments, They are as US as they could be.


Well, the EU should buy all this stuff (patents, knowhow, all rights) - not exclusiv, the USA can still use them also (why not and so it's cheaper). The USA can get the Transrapid (maglev) knowhow in exchange.

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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000
Posted on 17-Apr-2011 14:21:50
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@thread

cool Freescale QorIQ P1022R-RDK dualcore demo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhaLhAvZoRU

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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000
Posted on 17-Apr-2011 14:23:19
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@KingKong

Yes... we should get EU to finance Amiga hardware and software development... And then to drop X1000s running OS5 on Gaddafi... that'll teach him.

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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000
Posted on 17-Apr-2011 14:31:34
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@WolfToTheMoon

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Yes... we should get EU to finance Amiga hardware and software development... And then to drop X1000s running OS5 on Gaddafi... that'll teach him.


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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000
Posted on 17-Apr-2011 14:39:48
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@WolfToTheMoon

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Yes... we should get EU to finance Amiga hardware and software development... And then to drop X1000s running OS5 on Gaddafi... that'll teach him.


Nuke him with a lack of mips ;)

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Arko 
Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000
Posted on 17-Apr-2011 14:47:35
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@KingKong

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The USA can get the Transrapid (maglev) knowhow in exchange.


Transrapid ? The USA ? Sorry ! The USA is a state, some parties ins the US doesn't want any public investments into private (the railway companies are private) companies. And you are talking about the EU (a public, goverment like organisation) giving away private porperty of Thyssen&Siemens (Transrapid patents) with the US goverment in exchange for private property (the PowerPC patents) only usable for railway systems ...

EXcuse me but that is totaly unrealistic.

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I borrowed this comments from here (#27 & #28):
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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000
Posted on 17-Apr-2011 15:02:01
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@eXec

If AmigaOS was to be ported to standard X86 hardware how could Hyperion prevent piracy of the OS ?

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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000
Posted on 17-Apr-2011 15:04:09
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@Spectre660

By the lack of interrest from the public i guess,lol

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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000
Posted on 17-Apr-2011 15:09:06
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@Caveman

Which would also be a good reason not to go X86 .

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By the lack of interrest from the public i guess,lol

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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000
Posted on 17-Apr-2011 15:15:25
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@Spectre660

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If AmigaOS was to be ported to standard X86 hardware how could Hyperion prevent piracy of the OS ?


And the piracy is prevented with bundled 800 hardware...
The future hardware will be +2000???
Development of all major applications is with such decision nailed
to ground and will never happen. Not to mention what it means for one
platform in 2011 that has no applications for video/audio production.



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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000
Posted on 17-Apr-2011 15:23:08
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@Spectre660

You can't possibly build up anything,if your OS lack most features,almost any other OS under the sun,had for years,and not to talk about the software base... Do you really think it would help to sell 6-7 years old hardware for 1500-2000 euro? No matter how you look at it,AmigaOS would be better of if it was open sourced,and run on cheap hardware.

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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000
Posted on 17-Apr-2011 15:29:55
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@eXec

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And the piracy is prevented with bundled 800 hardware...


Yes. OS4 is the first OS with really working anti-piracy security.


However, x86 port would be nice.

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