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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000
Posted on 21-Apr-2011 11:59:08
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I think that one thing that Hyperion are wary of is piracy.
This is why they stick mainly to "dongled" hardware.
If you have any options to prevent this then it could open the door to
later ports down the road.

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This is also why I loved the idea of AmigaOS for PPC on the PS3. The PS3 CPU is no match for even a cheapish desktop (3.2GHz, but very simple design for a PPC), but between the GPU and the SPEs, the PS3 can decode multiple HD streams.

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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000
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Indeed Unreal Engine 3 something we'll never see! (pun intended )

Wii 2: we'll find out at e3 this year I guess...

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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000
Posted on 21-Apr-2011 12:09:10
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@hazydave

The Apple Q2 2011 numbers are indeed impressive.
The reality is that the use of small computing devices is the future.

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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000
Posted on 21-Apr-2011 12:13:18
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This is also why I loved the idea of AmigaOS for PPC on the PS3. The PS3 CPU is no match for even a cheapish desktop (3.2GHz, but very simple design for a PPC), but between the GPU and the SPEs, the PS3 can decode multiple HD streams.


Many Amigans wish to run AmigaOS on a common, yet powerful platform like PS3.

- Do you think porting AOS to PS3/PS4 is a viable project?
- Is Sony approachable in this sense?

Waj

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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000
Posted on 21-Apr-2011 12:21:00
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Hammer the wikipedia boy

Tired of your raw data and even often irrelevant

Like Beyond3D's forums, http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=157701 is not wikipedia.

Amiga doesn’t have a monopoly on PowerPC vs X86.

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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000
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Quote:

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I wasn't commenting on the E7-8870 and its relation to Qx results. I was simply pointing out that Intel hasn't been sharpening its pencil at all recently. No decent competition = high gross margins.

But that is an amazing chip - 30MB cache! Getting close to Power7 scale oomph.

If you read http://techreport.com/discussions.x/20803

"while Atom CPU and chipset revenue climbed by 4% compared to last year"

Q1 2011's gross margin fell to 61% from Q4 2010's 67.5%


60-whatever% margins would be considered high gross margins, would they not? I don't understand the point you are trying to make??

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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000
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@Arko

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Stealing code in the EU means you have stolen a document, it doesn't matter what kind of document it was.


Did someone steal a document?

Quote:

If it comes to court case someone has to prove the code was stolen.


Shame that Hyperion never went that far. The MorphOS team was always ready for the court case but Hermans chickened out. It was also bad for the Amiga community because it led to this Hyperion mistrust.

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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000
Posted on 21-Apr-2011 13:10:13
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Well, I have said enough - wise people will understand my idea.

Currently the german government is not very quick in doing what I want but mostly I wrote here about "Germany" and thus a privat funded solution is not ruled out. A good company maybe a pretty good start but in the long run I prefer a public or state-owned solution (a company can be bought and buggered).

Luckily a perfect OS (secure, stable, fast, real time capable, ...) is of interest for a company also and some companies can spend millions even easier than some governments. A company which intents to devolop and use AmigaOS must therefore be good (in not using Wintel - if you get my drift). A real good AmigaOS is not in the interest of MS, Apple and maybe even Linux - so beware.

I have some ideas of what may come and this includes AmigaOS as being better and more used than Linux or MS in perhaps only 10 years. Could say a magic word for clue but because I can't be certain I shouldn't (well, I can give you a riddle: "sex - today - yesterday" - hopefully not enough to tell but to prove I was right if I will be right).

All I write is imho, as usual. I myself am also curious if my expectations will become real.

Something to discuss (so you don't need to grumble about the above said):

What are the applications that need real big CPU power?
- video encoding, creating films/animations,
- highly animated 3D games for hires screens,
- and very important for the future: artificial intelligence (ai) as in supercomputers (also to help development) and robots but there you need to have smart ideas, a good OS, secure/reliable/powerefficient chips firstly. A cool vision of independent conscious spaceships can be found in Hinweise und Verbesserungsvorschläge (currently between 28.01.11 and 29.03.11 see keywords: "Superraumschiff", "Supercomputer" - sorry, only in German and only of interest for those who have to think of future decades/centuries).

Joe Average doesn't need this at present and therefore no superfast CPU in his PC.

The future needs good chips and a good OS and AmigaOS can very well evolve with PPC (other CPU will be supported later). It may be very advantageous if developers have to search for smart and efficient solutions because of not so fast (but cheap and low power) chips.

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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000
Posted on 21-Apr-2011 13:15:20
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@gregthecanuck

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60-whatever% margins would be considered high gross margins, would they not? I don't understand the point you are trying to make??

My post was designed for KingKong's "AmigaOS is no dead end - Intel and MSwindows more likely are" claims.

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AmigaOS is no dead end - Intel and MSwindows more likely are. Admittedly someone must convince Germany (or the EU) that AmigaOS can be a better choice than Linux and I can't do this because I don't know enough of these operating systems.



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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000
Posted on 21-Apr-2011 13:18:31
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KingKong wrote:
Well, I have said enough - wise people will understand my idea.

Currently the german government is not very quick in doing what I want but mostly I wrote here about "Germany" and thus a privat funded solution is not ruled out. A good company maybe a pretty good start but in the long run I prefer a public or state-owned solution (a company can be bought and buggered).

Germany subsidising AMD/GoFlo instead. Out of German fabs, you'll have AMD Bulldozer, Llano, Trinity and 'etc'.

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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000
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The MorphOS project came from Phase V... after Phase V ended, former employees started up BPlan (eg, "Plan B"), who eventually merged with a couple folks from Thendic France to form Genesi.

Now, I do not have direct personal knowledge of all MorphOS sources. But back when Phase 5 was working on their "C Exec" and other things, starting to re-create AmigaOS themselves in the mid-1990s, I was working with Andy Finkel at Amiga Technologies. The Phase 5 guys were really after AT to use tome of their stuff (and pay them, natch). Andy did a code review of the C Kernel, and found it was copied from AmigaOS source code. In fact, even the comments were copied, assembler to C.

Maybe MorphOS is clean, maybe not. Maybe no one actually knows. But that's such a transgression, I wouldn't trust anyone involved in Phase 5, or any code that can be traced back to Phase 5.

Maybe the truth is finally coming out of the door.

@itix
If I've understood it correctly you came quite late to MorphOS. Can you swear for all ex-MoprhOS coders ?

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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000
Posted on 21-Apr-2011 13:57:01
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@DAX

Thanks, wise and good comments from you.

@thread
This thread have been mostly spamming from many individuals. ((Edit:) Before anyone asks I mean with spamming keeping repeating repeating repeating repeating repeating himself/herself from threads to threads and years to years.)

(Edit: Hopefully this post is more clear now.)

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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000
Posted on 21-Apr-2011 14:27:50
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@gregthecanuck

Check your PM.

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Posted on 21-Apr-2011 15:17:23
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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000
Posted on 21-Apr-2011 15:33:30
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@Tomppeli

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This thread have been mostly spamming from many individuals.


Please elaborate on this "spamming".

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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000
Posted on 21-Apr-2011 15:36:45
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@itix

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Didn't Amiga Technologies (Petro Tschytschenko) send AmigaOS source code to random developers over the world? I recall Olaf Barthel received a copy (just like many others) even when he didnt ask one.




AFAIK the source code that went to Phase5 is something that was leaked during the Commodore bankrupt. A lot of things disappeared from the offices: disks, tapes, rare prototypes. Some things where never seen again, some things where spread under close friends, some things are on EBay now.

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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000
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@itix

if you take something out of the dustbin, would you call it stealing ?

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we went terribly OT, so it's time for me to go further:
i wish A-EON a good luck but i would say the name chosen for the board is a bit risky, cos it suggests a failure (Nemo = 'no-one', 'nobody'... Jules Verne's novels etc. etc.) on the other hand Natami rhymes with "Latami" in polish and "Latami" means 'years' as in "it took years (to be accomplished)" but also Natami rhymes with "Lata mi" = "i don't care" in polish slang = something not important , which has no value (e.g. as a productivity hardware)
and then: SAM means "alone" in polish... then we have a beautiful MorphOS drug connection (dreams, sleeping, morphine) with MAC platform. MAC phonetically means a "poppy" in polish and a few (PPC!) poppy species are used as a source of drugs (e.g. heroine ("synthesized from morphine[sic!]", a derivative of the opium poppy" - thx wikipedia, and of course: opium)
Then, to sum it up, we have a beautfiul AOS4-X1000-MorphOS connection (a quote from the wikipedia "Morpheus" article): 'Little Nemo[sic!] in Slumberland, a comic about a boy's surreal dreams, includes a supporting character named "King Morpheus"'.
My god - what a bundle of symbols! (and i didn't say a word about AROS!!!...)

EDIT: typos.

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Posted on 21-Apr-2011 15:42:14
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nimrod7 wrote:
we went terribly OT, so it's time for me to go further:
i wish A-EON a good luck but i would say the name chosen for the board is a bit risky, cos it suggests a failure (Nemo = 'no-one', 'nobody'... Jules Verne's novels etc. etc.) on the other hand Natami rhymes with "Latami" in polish and "Latami" means 'years' as in "it took years (to be accomplished)" but also Natami rhymes with "Lata mi" = "i don't care" in polish slang = something not important , which has no value (e.g. as a productivity hardware)


And A-Eon is a very long time period ....

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@Tomppeli

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Tomppeli wrote:
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Thanks, wise and good comments from you.
This thread have been mostly spamming from many individuals.


So you are asking DAX to "shut up" ?

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