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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000
Posted on 22-Apr-2011 1:05:59
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work OK on my tablet pc(ACER Iconia W500) and firefox 4 release. :) I'll try Chrome later.

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http://fractal.io/

You need a WebGL capable browser though. Chrome seems to work nicely.

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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000
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Maybe another time

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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000
Posted on 22-Apr-2011 3:47:30
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@hazydave

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The MorphOS project came from Phase V... after Phase V ended, former employees started up BPlan (eg, "Plan B"), who eventually merged with a couple folks from Thendic France to form Genesi.


Bplan, Thendic and Genesi were separate companies. There was never any merger between them. Thendic was going to be renamed to Genesi but it was forced into bankruptcy in 2004. Bplan and Genesi both still exist.

I believe you're correct in saying MorphOS originated with Phase 5.

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Now, I do not have direct personal knowledge of all MorphOS sources. But back when Phase 5 was working on their "C Exec" and other things, starting to re-create AmigaOS themselves in the mid-1990s, I was working with Andy Finkel at Amiga Technologies. The Phase 5 guys were really after AT to use tome of their stuff (and pay them, natch). Andy did a code review of the C Kernel, and found it was copied from AmigaOS source code. In fact, even the comments were copied, assembler to C.


At the time Amiga technologies were seemingly sending their code to all and sundry. I've never heard any talk of NDAs so I'll assume there wasn't one involved.
If this was copied, could it have been done with AT's knowledge or permission?
i.e. Did AT give and Amiga sources to Phase5?

The question then is how does this relate to MorphOS.
Did that code get into MorphOS?

If yes, then the MorphOS team might have IP contamination issues. However, I doubt it because this would have been very old code by the time MorphOS was even started and MorphOS uses a different kernel anyway (MorphOS was always intended to add things like SMP and full memory protection at some point so the low level architecture is quite different).

The other question is, did anyone who has seen AmigaOS source work on MorphOS.
The answer to this is more complex, because it depends on the time elapsed between seeing the AmigaOS code and then working on MorphOS. As I understand it there shouldn't be any IP issues because MorphOS wasn't started until years later.

I'm no expert on this but I do know people (in a completely different context) who have been "IP contaminated" and had to go and work on something else for a period of months before they could come back to work on something related.

It should be pointed out however that MorphOS was never created as an alternative or to compete with AmigaOS. When MorphOS was started AmigaOS had been cancelled and declared dead.

The Haiku guys did the same exactly thing, they loved BeOS and wanted it to continue, Be died so they did it themselves.

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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000
Posted on 22-Apr-2011 5:48:50
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A positve interpretation of "Nemo" may be that the board is really nobody (in the future there will be intelligent computers with human rights) and the main focus must be set on the evolution of AmigaOS (for which Nemo may be very useful and even be the foundation of somebody).

Do you know that Nimrod was perhaps a very evil person in history? Especially see Rising New One World Order.

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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000
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i think hazydave is just jealous cause bplan and morphos team did everything that metabox aspired too.

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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000
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Do you know that Nimrod was perhaps a very evil person in history? Especially see Rising New One World Order.


Anybody who refuses to kowtow to the local priest will be recorded in religious texts as evil. How would todays religious fundamentalists in the middle east or the midwest report on Darwin?
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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000
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@cheesegrate

Isn't it curious that Amiga died instead of being developted to a great company?

Well ... it isn't if you know that there (may) exist mighty powers who prevented it.

Why is the Amiga-community split up? Well ... guess why.

(info for newbies: MorphOS Pegasos)

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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000
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@Nimrod

Hahaha. Interesting that you show no understanding. Well, you can't be an insider because none of them will ever dare to call himself Nimrod.

Hint: some know and some know not.

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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000
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@cheesegrate

Quote:

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@itix

i think hazydave is just jealous cause bplan and morphos team did everything that metabox aspired too.


They did a lot of things Metabox wanted to do and BPlan/Genesi where successful in developing and producing 3 PPC devices: Pegasos I, Pegasos II and Efika, they managed to develop and produce an ARM driven Nettop and a Netbook.

But the business they wanted to be first where STBs for Pay TV, maybe VisCorp/Genesi where competing with Metabox.

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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000
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@KingKong

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Isn't it curious that Amiga died instead of being developted to a great company?


No not really

Quote:

Well ... it isn't if you know that there (may) exist mighty powers who prevented it.


There was no conspiracy, just a lack of developments and investments until the system was totally behind its competitors.

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Why is the Amiga-community split up? Well ... guess why.


Because some people believe lies and spread lies and hate

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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000
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@KingKong

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Hahaha. Interesting that you show no understanding. Well, you can't be an insider because none of them will ever dare to call himself Nimrod.

Hint: some know and some know not.


leave us nimrods alone, please

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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000
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@KingKong

Quote:
Hint: some know and some know not.


Well, that's what you know.

Anyway, the end of the world thread is currently located here. References to websites about the apocalypse belong there, not in this thread. Now, back to the Dave Haynie argument!

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Posted on 22-Apr-2011 12:39:28
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@KingKong

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Isn't it curious that Amiga died instead of being developted to a great company?


AI is still alive, barely, but it is still alive.

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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000
Posted on 22-Apr-2011 15:08:08
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@cheesegrate

Never mind

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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000
Posted on 22-Apr-2011 15:14:14
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EDIT - Post moved to the 'Website Bugs' thread.

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EDIT - Post moved to the 'Website Bugs' thread.

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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000
Posted on 25-Apr-2011 1:21:31
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@cheesegrate

Quote:

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i think hazydave is just jealous cause bplan and morphos team did everything that metabox aspired too.


Thank you! Its about time someone pointed out that Dave's opinion might be tainted.
Furthermore, MorphOS probably would not have been ported to the Pegasos if Amiga Inc and Hyperion had not failed to deliver an OS.

Frankly, it gets tiresome hearing repeated unsupported libelous accusations made against the developers of a superior product.

If MorphOS was based on AOS3.1 (as AOS4 is) then MorphOS would likely suck as bad as AOS4 does.

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@iggy

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Furthermore, MorphOS probably would not have been ported to the Pegasos if Amiga Inc and Hyperion had not failed to deliver an OS.


I can't see how you came to that conclusion.

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Re: Dave Haynie expresses thoughts on Natami and X1000
Posted on 25-Apr-2011 2:06:02
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Furthermore, MorphOS probably would not have been ported to the Pegasos if Amiga Inc and Hyperion had not failed to deliver an OS.


I can't see how you came to that conclusion.


Then you didn't follow the court cases. AInc was found guilty of failure to perform in this matter long ago. Of course due to the corporate shuffle all obligations of the original AInc are left behind, while the new corporation makes threadbare claims to the proper transfer of intellectual properties.

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