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Re: The new Commodore from USA is no more now soon?
Posted on 10-May-2011 8:29:14
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What's the difference that make a embedded board (teron) more Amiga than a x86 board in a CUSA case?. Neither of them are made by the original Amiga Team, and the os too isn't made by the original developers. Both they have licenses, but you keep saying again again and again that CUSA computers are not Amigas. Could you explain once and for all why?


Difference is one can run AmigaOS and one cant and that is what make Amiga today.
There are more or less no custom boards since Amiga and Atari demise.

But what makes CUSA Commodore and Amiga since they just purchased limited
franchise use is much more serious question in regard of their PR "we are Commodore
and we are back with Amiga"

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Re: The new Commodore from USA is no more now soon?
Posted on 10-May-2011 8:30:16
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this is a thread about C=USA C64x


Which as it has *nothing* to do with Amiga whatsoever, why is it even allowed on AWN ?


Because moderators ignored the poll, and installed "Yes to CUSA trolling" policy

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Re: The new Commodore from USA is no more now soon?
Posted on 10-May-2011 8:43:56
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Which as it has *nothing* to do with Amiga whatsoever, why is it even allowed on AWN ?


Because it is a matter of keeping consistency.
We could ban CUSA-discussions, but then you could argue Nintendo, Microsoft, Sony, Google, Nokia, HTC, and other companies and discussions about them should be banned as well.

Simply, where to draw the line?
It can't be done in any easy way.

Remember Peg 2 discussions from years ago?
People wanted to ban discussions about Peg 2 as it was a competitor to AmigaOne.
Then, OS4 was made for it, and suddenly no one wanted to ban discussions about Peg 2 anymore.



Major difference is that you allow advertising of non existing product (CUSA Amiga)
and a lot of supermacism and promises (CUSA ... will gather people ... rule the world ... do x86 port one day) which is mostly bothering AOS/MOS/AROS users with something they are not target group to, or annoyed to.

There is a reason why everything CUSA does (YT videos, FB, Twitter) is heavily censored - and people know its just retro exploit, not really a new product like Peg2

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Re: The new Commodore from USA is no more now soon?
Posted on 10-May-2011 9:03:56
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Barry has released sales information on the first couple of days worth of C64x pre-order sales. Who is a backyard production again?

Lets see here, if Hyperion was going to collect $25 (think that was what they were charging EyeTech) @ C64x/Amiga sale, that means Hyperion would have a $500,000 check coming to them just for first couple of days of sales alone from the C64x's pre-orders. Or was it $50, damn, been too long for my memory now.



Stop. Rewind. Did Barry actually told CNN that 20,000 units have been sold? But still no single user on all the major (retro) Commodore and Amiga fora internationally hasn't reported to have placed just ONE pre-order? Go figure...

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Re: The new Commodore from USA is no more now soon?
Posted on 10-May-2011 9:48:22
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Stop. Rewind. Did Barry actually told CNN that 20,000 units have been sold? But still no single user on all the major (retro) Commodore and Amiga fora internationally hasn't reported to have placed just ONE pre-order? Go figure...


It is pre order! None are even delivered. Deliveries will start late May or early June.

He who waits for something good can not wait for long! But try and calm and fine now, they delivered soon!

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Re: The new Commodore from USA is no more now soon?
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@vox

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Major difference is that you allow advertising of non existing product (CUSA Amiga)


i guess if that is the criteria as well as not talking about the cusa machines we can't talk about the x1000, x500, the future of amiga or even new consoles like the wii2.

Quote:
not really a new product like Peg2


neither was the amigaone, peg1?, or early motherboards from every amiga manufacturer.

sorry but you don't hit the starting line at full sprint. instead you have to start a little slower and work yourself up to speed.

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which is mostly bothering AOS/MOS/AROS users with something they are not target group to, or annoyed to.


correction: is mostly bothering people who sees cusa as the red cloth in a bullfight who can't help themselves but to post negatively to a subject they have no interest.

For the record if they fail or say stupid stuff i would expect someone to jump on it. however beating us over the head with it every time the subject comes up is asinine to say the least.

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Re: The new Commodore from USA is no more now soon?
Posted on 10-May-2011 13:23:51
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@Cool_amigaN

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Stop. Rewind. Did Barry actually told CNN that 20,000 units have been sold? But still no single user on all the major (retro) Commodore and Amiga fora internationally hasn't reported to have placed just ONE pre-order? Go figure...


Commodore USA has always stated that it would like to work with the existing community, but that is not the target audience. The Commodore USA, LLC Facebook page has 20,240 likes. Hyperion Entertainment OTOH has 13.

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Re: The new Commodore from USA is no more now soon?
Posted on 10-May-2011 13:32:07
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Let me try to explain.......

That about sums it up.


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Re: The new Commodore from USA is no more now soon?
Posted on 10-May-2011 13:36:35
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@vox

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Well, remember this? Everyone should have a lawyar in family.
http://www.osnews.com/story/23756/Commodore_USA_Threatens_OSNews_with_Legal_Action


Still does not explain how this has anything to do with the question posed by the poster of the thread other than it has something to do with CUSA which apparently awoke some folks' unquenchable thirst and desire to dump on all things CUSA for some reason. It's downright amusing to watch how much time people are putting into all of this back and forth and keeping this thread alive.

Last edited by elatour on 10-May-2011 at 01:40 PM.

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Re: The new Commodore from USA is no more now soon?
Posted on 10-May-2011 14:22:19
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@linnar

In fact: there is no CUSA x64 to review for some time more.
So no product = nothing to discuss.

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Re: The new Commodore from USA is no more now soon?
Posted on 10-May-2011 14:23:40
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@elatour

It has much with the CUSA PR (attitude) towards the community.
When you check their website everything is for community, with community etc.
In reality nothing similar. So why I&I should believe to bullies and supermacists in theory with nothing reviewable done?

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Re: The new Commodore from USA is no more now soon?
Posted on 10-May-2011 14:27:43
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@vox

Quote:
Quote:
_ThEcRoW wrote:
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What's the difference that make a embedded board (teron) more Amiga than a x86 board in a CUSA case?. Neither of them are made by the original Amiga Team, and the os too isn't made by the original developers. Both they have licenses, but you keep saying again again and again that CUSA computers are not Amigas. Could you explain once and for all why?

Difference is one can run AmigaOS and one cant and that is what make Amiga today.

So is there some incompatibility issue / bug, that prevents Amithlon / AmigaOS XL (which might fail, I agree, as neither is updated anymore) or your choice of 0.x - 3.9 on UAE / Amiga Forever?

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Re: The new Commodore from USA is no more now soon?
Posted on 10-May-2011 14:30:12
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@vox

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vox wrote:
@linnar

In fact: there is no CUSA x64 to review for some time more.
So no product = nothing to discuss.


Turns a blind eye sees nothing and then there is no ...

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Re: The new Commodore from USA is no more now soon?
Posted on 10-May-2011 14:30:53
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@elatour

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Still does not explain how this has anything to do with the question posed by the poster of the thread


I'm not so sure the original post was taken seriously after:

this reply

Perhaps that answers your question.

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Re: The new Commodore from USA is no more now soon?
Posted on 10-May-2011 14:40:23
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@redrumloa

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redrumloa wrote:
@Cool_amigaN

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Cool_amigaN wrote:
Stop. Rewind. Did Barry actually told CNN that 20,000 units have been sold? But still no single user on all the major (retro) Commodore and Amiga fora internationally hasn't reported to have placed just ONE pre-order? Go figure...


Commodore USA has always stated that it would like to work with the existing community, but that is not the target audience. The Commodore USA, LLC Facebook page has 20,240 likes. Hyperion Entertainment OTOH has 13.


14, don`t lie! ;)

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Re: The new Commodore from USA is no more now soon?
Posted on 10-May-2011 15:07:40
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@vox

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vox wrote:
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It has much with the CUSA PR (attitude) towards the community.
When you check their website everything is for community, with community etc.
In reality nothing similar. So why I&I should believe to bullies and supermacists in theory with nothing reviewable done?


Are you paid for anti C= campaign or is it just pure pleasure?

Seems that you know all conspiracy theories we don`t, even I must admit am
frequently among CUSA followers.

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Posted on 10-May-2011 15:21:43
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240 people didn't pre-order?

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@vox

"Difference is one can run AmigaOS and one cant and that is what make Amiga today.
There are more or less no custom boards since Amiga and Atari demise.

But what makes CUSA Commodore and Amiga since they just purchased limited
franchise use is much more serious question in regard of their PR "we are Commodore
and we are back with Amiga"

But, wait a moment, i can run original workbench 3.1 on my pc under winuae, so as it's running an official amiga os, by your definition is a authenthic Amiga, isn't?.
Your arguments are flawed no matter which.

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@Cool_amigaN

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240 people didn't pre-order?


Actually according to the CNN article 60,000 people pre-ordered so you can deduce that 39,760 of them don't use Facebook

Quote:
He said about 20,000 models were ordered in each of the first few days they went on sale in early April.


Few = 3
3 x 20,000 = 60,000

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The Commodore USA, LLC Facebook page has 20,240 likes. Hyperion Entertainment OTOH has 13.


BTW this is a moving target. The number have changed in the last few hours since I posted this. The current numbers are:

Commodore USA, LLC - 20,276
Hyperion Entertainment - 14

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