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Re: The new Commodore from USA is no more now soon?
Posted on 12-May-2011 15:32:52
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@damocles

You have it wrong.
Of course they talked, it just ended rather prematurely for some reason.
But I know that won't satisfy a lot of people so I have it all recorded here.


That's a good video.

How about another one backing up your companies claims that you have prepared 60,000+ motherboards, keyboards, harddrives, and retail boxes for when the cases begin rolling off the production line "REAL SOON NOW"?





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Re: The new Commodore from USA is no more now soon?
Posted on 12-May-2011 15:35:22
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If that is true, why has VOX not been perma-banned? Because he his opinion is the preferred opinion?


*shrug* Ask a moderator. I don't know. As I already replied, I just took eXec's situation as that was what was being discussed, and said there were others who do similar things. EXec wasn't perma-banned, and I personally find vox's posting annoying at times too. But recently in this thread, it seems that eXec has been posting "spam" as he put it, far more than anyone else. Maybe others - regardless of what "side" they're on in this discussion - will take heed of the example and calm themselves down...

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Re: The new Commodore from USA is no more now soon?
Posted on 12-May-2011 15:41:57
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LOL!

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Re: The new Commodore from USA is no more now soon?
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sorry... double post

I'll make a post out of this one...

CUSA is not a publicly traded company. They can have secrets. It's nobody's business how many C64s are being produced in the first run.

The cases aren't going to be what slows CUSA down anyway. That seems like a fairly simple process for production. IMO, If something slows Commodore down, it will be something they can't control... like a manufacturer that can't come though on time or problems in assembly. They still have a long way to go to get these products into our hands so there will be plenty for you guys to doom and gloom over.

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Re: The new Commodore from USA is no more now soon?
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@Daedalus

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*shrug* Ask a moderator. I don't know. As I already replied, I just took eXec's situation as that was what was being discussed, and said there were others who do similar things.


Yeah I saw your reply after I already posted. Sorry about that.

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Re: The new Commodore from USA is no more now soon?
Posted on 12-May-2011 15:48:34
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@tommywright

Now I&I should feel protected?

Has been banned for like 40+ days, got few abuse points and most of my reports were rejected, even on personal attacks, got several threads locked here and on Amigans.net.

In my experience, so, to get permanently banned you have to really disobey and clash with the moderators.

And its quite obvious to I&I CUSA fanboys abuse this site to promote
the CUSA fake version of Amiga history. That, and violent and downpressing
attitude towards existing Amiga community are its major sins, not the product itself.
Madness gone too far.

CUSA isnt and will never be part of Amiga history simply because it has no
Amiga related product. How it will do in x86 competition we will see in year or two.

However, mind in that user vote has turned out that CUSA commercials
should not be allowed, so size and matter of this discussion is guided by moderation.

To me perfect jin jang is just drop the subject here or expect heavy resistance-.

CUSA has its own You Tube with no comments, Twitter and FB with censorship and fake info website, dream forums and that is just enough.

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Re: The new Commodore from USA is no more now soon?
Posted on 12-May-2011 15:52:32
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@damocles
"Funny, I don't see that since C=USA went to Ben for OS4 and got ignored. "

Interested to know what CUSA has offered to Hyperion and MorphOS so they got rejected. Must be "join us or die" (Sorry, serve our interest or dissapear) type of proposals. As well as how CUSA learned that they cannot use AROS (who informed them? Have they asked AROS team etc-) to resolve that story "we wanted to cooperate and others didnt"

In my CUSA wanted not to cooperate (as no one in Amiga world did not know of CUSA and Amiga Inc deal) and then faked some try to cooperate to have sound excuse.

If you were to build AROS computer or even x86 AmigaOS first thing would be to secure AROS or funds and licence to portOS, not to sell us dumb retro machine and tell us one day when you grow big you will buy those unsportative ones to your dream. That is even dream of dream.

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Re: The new Commodore from USA is no more now soon?
Posted on 12-May-2011 15:55:40
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@vox

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CUSA has its own You Tube with no comments, Twitter and FB with censorship and fake info website, dream forums and that is just enough.


That's because you and others have overrun their comments with crazy negative rhetoric. They have to lock those things so real customers don't see your 1000 insane comments about how they are the devil. Yes, I saw those before they took them down.

I notice you guys can't drown out the positive comments on big news sites... it's a lot harder to scream "scam" over all those excited people isn't it.

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Re: The new Commodore from USA is no more now soon?
Posted on 12-May-2011 16:21:40
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@BigBentheAussie

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I hope no-one has told you to give up your hobby.
A hobby takes passion, commitment and sometimes sacrifice.
If we can inspire passion and commitment with less sacrifice, then that's good isn't it?
The fact that there are people defending us should tell you that people are enthusiastic about what we're doing too.
It may not pass your particular purity test, but a lot more people are unconcerned about that than you think.


If passion and commitment can be inspired at a low cost, that is a good thing.

You should not need 'defending'. If people want to be 'pro' your project then
that is what they should be. PRO, without being ANTI something else.

If the only way some people can see for your project to succeed is by destroying
someone else's project, then you need to talk to them because several of these
supporters are taking liberties enough to seem as insiders.

You must have me confused with some zealot.

I do not have a 'purity test'. I do have a preference. Silly crap like the NAME
of an OS has no meaning to me. As far as I'm concerned, and some others, it
would be great if you and yours would buy the name and end this stupidity.
Then we could have a grand ole time dreaming up another. However, I do not
speak for the companies that have any control over that, and have no say in
the matter.




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Re: The new Commodore from USA is no more now soon?
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@vox

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In my CUSA wanted not to cooperate (as no one in Amiga world did not know of CUSA and Amiga Inc deal) and then faked some try to cooperate to have sound excuse. If you were to build AROS computer or even x86 AmigaOS first thing would be to secure AROS or funds and licence to portOS, not to sell us dumb retro machine and tell us one day when you grow big you will buy those unsportative ones to your dream. That is even dream of dream.


huh?

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Re: The new Commodore from USA is no more now soon?
Posted on 12-May-2011 16:41:46
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@tommywright

There are reasons for "crazy lunactics" like I&I
and that, is faking the history (btw, reported as personal attack).

Those users got blocked or comments marked at spam
at YouTube and facebook.

Absolute censorship with deleting the comments and issues
is fake PR.

First, I&I have tried to contact CUSA with reasonable request
to include real Amiga history since day 1, and never got a reply
but a semi-personal investigation semi-threat letter by commodity
maker, now big CUSA CEO.

Simply, they at all, dont behave like a good and solid company,
since the promise of AROS that has never materialized.

Dont you worry, one by one, Babylon goes down.

Next on CUSA line up: Jesus and Buddha computers,
cause CUSA got them ressurected and updated to x86 world.
And paid the franchise and marketing.

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Posted on 12-May-2011 16:44:54
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@vox

So what is your goal in doing all of this?

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Re: The new Commodore from USA is no more now soon?
Posted on 12-May-2011 16:56:09
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@damocles

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So what is your goal in doing all of this?


I know my goal, to see OVER 60,000 C64 keyboards (without case) sitting all together! How's the video coming along?


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Re: The new Commodore from USA is no more now soon?
Posted on 12-May-2011 17:08:43
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@damocles

Simply: acknowledge your real place in history (present yourself
and your products realisticaly as retro mania PC in new case),
leave real Amiga community alone. Once you decided not to support
e.g. AROS and AmigaForever. You compete with AresOne, which is better product to me.

Boycott campaign and info campaign will least as long as CUSA keeps same fake infos on website and PR ("We are Commodore (Amiga) and we are back". No you are furniture maler that wants to make money out of retro nostalgia, and that is quite OK, with all those game remakes, movie remakes, always awful then before ending the franchise for commercial earnings.

AmigaOS will live without you, you are not master of anyones destiny
and you have nothing to do with Commodore International, Amiga, AmigaOS,
AROS etc. beside ONE licence for ALL IN ONE KEYBOARD computers (as still
in news on website). Even desktop Amiga line seems to be beyond this.

Seeing that AmigaInc is selling the licence to anyone, CUSA is no surprise at all.
Nice idea to combine CBM and Amiga names, too sad someone with better idea
and creative team did not do the same. Maybe in the future. You have limited yourself to case and Linux modding.

In terms of fakerism and big ego, I&I would think of someone else as either
too greedy or too crazy.

And yes, everyone is entitled to know history of bad moves of CUSA company.

Nice quote of Robert Nesta Marley: ya caan fool some people sometimes,
but cant fool all da people all da time

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I've been a lot more relaxed about CUSA since the iContain deal was announced. I think that taught me a lesson (and I'm pretty sure it taught CUSA a lesson too).

Someone associating "Amiga" with a Linux PC in a cool retro case isn't the way I would personally have it, but I prefer it to the thought of some poor guy associating the word "Amiga" with a TV and a computer that won't come on any more because he lost his job and couldn't keep up the payments It just seems a bit sad.

And if I set aside my feelings about AmigaOS, I still think the new C64 is objectively a cooler product than, say, Snowman Maker, so we'll see what happens if they move onto Amiga as planned.

Surely whichever side of the fence you come down on, there could be far worse things happening with this brand.

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Re: The new Commodore from USA is no more now soon?
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You better hurry up, because the last thing you guys want is the scrutiny and mistrust of AmigaHeretic....trust me A-Eon already knows this fact, luckily for them he's currently focused on something else

@damocles

Wow are you for real

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@damocles

huh?



Wanted everything their own way, without securing partnerships first.

Bigest proof to me is so many AROS here
http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_News.aspx
August 31, 2010: Commodore USA Announces Acquisition of Amiga Exclusive Worldwide Licensing Rights

To be down to this
http://www.commodoreusa.net/CUSA_FAQ.aspx#Q1

Classic proof things are announced before they are secured.

That is not bussines, and brings all the future promises to a big question marker

Even I&I see today "new Commodores" will be sold in my country, too.

OK, new nettops in all in one keyboard style. The quality of case/keyboard will be essential as well as low expandablity and high price if compared to competetive hardware boards. Plus no Windows or custom software ... playing only on retro

Will Amiga license save the day?

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@vox

Quote:
Nice quote of Robert Nesta Marley: ya caan fool some people sometimes,
but cant fool all da people all da time


Quote:
You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time.
Abraham Lincoln,


Don't try to diss someone as a pretender whilst quoting another one to back up your argument. Heh.

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Someone associating "Amiga" with a Linux PC in a cool retro case isn't the way I would personally have it, but I prefer it to the thought of some poor guy associating the word "Amiga" with a TV and a computer that won't come on any more because he lost his job and couldn't keep up the payments It just seems a bit sad.


That represents the strong 1st impression of many people when they first read the news.
However, it's also a fact that they contacted Aminet, which is a s/w resource, in order to learn more about Amiga. That's a somewhat odd first contact if one is not interested in the operating system that runs said software. *shrug*

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Posted on 12-May-2011 17:24:04
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@Hondo

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You better hurry up, because the last thing you guys want is the scrutiny and mistrust of AmigaHeretic....trust me A-Eon already knows this fact, luckily for them he's currently focused on something else


Trevor Dick final gave some honest answer in the last interview that he did. Told the truth. He basically said at this point there was no eta on when things will be done and gave some honest information. That's all the community needs and all I was on about. No, "fluff" and we PRE SOLD 60,000 UNITS IN 3 DAYS !!! WAAAA!!! IT"S AMAZING!!!

Companies keep doing it though. Now again, here we have CommodoreUSA.

Now, Barry himself came into an Amiga.org and pretty much told everyone to shut up then gave a big lecture on "How to Run a REAL business". He said he had all the product lined of for the pre-orders, which in the same thread he is linked to saying was over 60,000.

So now, we just want to see all the product lined up, minus the shells, which is the only part he claims is missing.

So there must be 60,000 motherboards, retail boxes, keyboards, HD, etc sitting around waiting for the shells to come squirting out of the molds. So says, Barry.


Dammy promises a video of the production line of the shells. I say lets see a video of the all the other stuff sitting around. I think that would be far more impressive.

What does everyone else think? Want to see huge amounts of c64 keyboards piled high!? Show us Dammy!

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