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Re: The new Commodore from USA is no more now soon?
Posted on 28-May-2011 17:08:29
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@Panthro

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The failure rate of new X86 OS's is rather high.


It is? Compared to success of selling OSes for PPC?

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Re: The new Commodore from USA is no more now soon?
Posted on 28-May-2011 17:10:22
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@Panthro

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The failure rate of new X86 OS's is rather high.


Only because the vast majority of new OSs are for x86. ARM is starting to collect a few dead OSs as well.

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tho even if it succeeds, awareness or the original Amiga product & it's current development will bleed over from the Amiga branded X86 machines & thus will actually be beneficial.


True, if it will run in UAE, it should run fine on a given Amiga 68K. That might bring enough people into coding again for Amiga 68K (ECS/AGA and 000/020).

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but hey the real Amigas are already irrelevant to CommodoreUSA so nothing would change.


No, their software will run just fine in UAE so it'll run on the new Commodore Amigas. Some folks love to tinker with the original Commodore Amigas which is a good thing. I see no conflict between them and the new Commodore Amiga community(s).



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Re: The new Commodore from USA is no more now soon?
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i see no gain in this. uae (winuae) is as available as it gets. who is interested knows it already. as it was stated thousand times its very unlikely that the appearing of x86 commodore amigas will change anything. i even doubt they will sell very well. we wait we see.

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Re: The new Commodore from USA is no more now soon?
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The new Commodore Amigas should be selling in the tens of thousands
The market that you are looking at with your product has no real relevance on this site. As CommodeUSA have already stated the combined numbers for MOS, AROS and OS4 are small change, and most of the users of these OS's use them for fun, and have another machine running a mainstream OS. In order to move the numbers that you are talking about you need to compete with cheap laptops available in local supermarkets with windoze7 pre-installed.
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very few will know of their existence and therefore become irrelevant. That's my guess at least.
Anybody that is worried about things like that left years ago. I already own several machines with different OS's, why should I buy another?

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Re: The new Commodore from USA is no more now soon?
Posted on 28-May-2011 17:34:27
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@damocles

You seemed to have overlooked my post.
Here it is again.

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@damocles

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The new Commodore Amigas should be selling in the tens of thousands (debate is that yearly or monthly sales volume). COS 1.x series is basically a place holder till a follow on modern OS can be developed. I think the main fear in certain camps is that with that level of sales volume, very few will know of their existence and therefore become irrelevant. That's my guess at least.


Which camps would those be?

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Re: The new Commodore from USA is no more now soon?
Posted on 28-May-2011 17:44:06
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also if anything amiga ever became mainstream i expect next to everybody currently involved would turn his back at it.

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Re: The new Commodore from USA is no more now soon?
Posted on 28-May-2011 18:50:55
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also if anything amiga ever became mainstream i expect next to everybody currently involved would turn his back at it.


Considering "everybody" is a 100 people according to the latest poll. And mostly we hear from vocal asshole pre-order scammers shilling us with plastic pre-order scam after scam.

So we'd trade these guys for going more mainstream and possibly bringing back interest from the 10,000s of great people lost along the way that use to make the Amiga great and fun?

Sounds like a good trade to me.

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Re: The new Commodore from USA is no more now soon?
Posted on 28-May-2011 19:19:21
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@Panthro

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The failure rate of new X86 OS's is rather high.


Nice spin. Let's try looking at the succes rate of x86 OSes compared to PPC.

Can you show me any PPC OSes that has a succes rate that comes closes to MAC, Windows, or Linux X86? Please show my these PPC OSes? Let me gues? You are going to tell me how great XBOX360 OS is now right?





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@damocles

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The new Commodore Amigas should be selling in the tens of thousands (debate is that yearly or monthly sales volume).

It's hard to imagine a scenario where new Commodore Amigas would sell in the tens of thousands, since all previous attempts at Linux preloaded systems have sold at a trickle. CUSA will have to come up with something more pervasive than Linux on x86 to reach these kind of sales predictions.

There's nothing wrong with Linux on x86—I'm using the same to compose this post—but it's not the sort of thing that's going to set the world on fire (not even with an Amiga sticker).

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Re: The new Commodore from USA is no more now soon?
Posted on 28-May-2011 20:17:44
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@AmigaHeretic

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Can you show me any PPC OSes that has a succes rate that comes closes to MAC, .........
...........


AmigaOS for PPC has sold every copy that people have bought. So there.

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Posted on 28-May-2011 20:19:14
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Which camps would those be?


The ones that are screaming indignation that someone else is moving the Amiga forward on a large scale. If you read carefully, you might be able to see the ones I'm talking about in this very thread.

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Re: The new Commodore from USA is no more now soon?
Posted on 28-May-2011 20:22:36
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@wawa

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i see no gain in this. uae (winuae) is as available as it gets. who is interested knows it already. as it was stated thousand times its very unlikely that the appearing of x86 commodore amigas will change anything. i even doubt they will sell very well. we wait we see.


The end result is what is important. How good COS 1.x series will be, I don't know, don't really care all that much right now TBH. COS 2.x is where the real interest will be for most people reading on AWN.

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Re: The new Commodore from USA is no more now soon?
Posted on 28-May-2011 20:29:34
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It's hard to imagine a scenario where new Commodore Amigas would sell in the tens of thousands, since all previous attempts at Linux preloaded systems have sold at a trickle. CUSA will have to come up with something more pervasive than Linux on x86 to reach these kind of sales predictions.


I had the same opinion on the C64x, I was soundly proven wrong. Problem is for the new Commodore Amiga series, we don't know the details other then it's going to be beefy Intels (for atleast now) sandybridge CPUs. Barry knows he has to create interest and excitement over the Amiga relaunch so let us see what he can come up with before judging. Right now Barry has his hands full putting a company together in the same time while getting hardware assembled and shipped. So we might not be hearing all the detailed information on the new Commodore Amigas until late Summer. I'll be hoping it's much sooner then that.

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Posted on 28-May-2011 22:18:03
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Intel PM965 mobile chipset


Only one PCIe x16 line and RAM controller (only for 4 GB RAM)...

For full features of PA6T you need
I/O Controller for PCIe
another for 10GbitE

etc. (remeber, PA6T has two memory controllers and supports up to 16 GB memory per channel)

It’s either
1. additional SpecFP2000 points
2. additional connectivity features.

Take your pick.

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Intel PM965 mobile chipset has two DDR2 memory controllers and can support 8GB of memory(1)(2).

1. http://forum.notebookreview.com/sony/316242-8-go-ram-vaio-sz.html
2. http://blogs.technet.com/b/keithcombs/archive/2008/06/04/my-lenovo-thinkpad-t61p-now-has-8gb-of-ram.aspx

Btw, PA6T has 4 DDR2 memory controllers. Amiga X1000 itself only has 1 PEG slot at 16X or 2 PEG slot at 8X.

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Back in 2007 Q4, note that we are comparing a shipping end-user laptop type device against incomplete SOC type product.

Going back-in-time is just an academic exercise. In the 20 to 30 watt space, the current comparison should be with Intel Core I mobile series or AMD Turion II Neo(1)/Phenom II mobile(2).

1. e.g. 15 watts for AMD Turion II Neo K685 (Dual Core K10, 1.8Ghz, DDR3-1066Mhz).
2. e.g. 25 watts for AMD Phenom II P960 (Quad Core k10, 1.8Ghz, DDR3-1066Mhz)

Anyway,
- VIA QuadCore Processor's 27.5 watts is not even same ball park as AMD Phenom II P960.

- http://news.softpedia.com/news/AMD-Llano-Powered-HP-Pavilion-dv6-Notebook-Gets-Listed-201915.shtml

HP DV6-6110SG laptop with AMD Llano A6-3410MX APU (45 watts with Quad Core K10 (with 2.3Ghz Turbo) + Radeon HD 6520G) appearing in the wild. This HP DV6 laptop includes hybrid CrossFireX with Radeon HD 6750M discrete graphics card. It’s not long until the old K10 parts gets EOL.

AMD’s solution bias towards the GPU, while Intel solution bias towards the CPU.
The battle mirrors Xbox 360's GPU bias vs PS3's CPU bias.


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Re: The new Commodore from USA is no more now soon?
Posted on 28-May-2011 23:23:26
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o we're sort of arguing whether a computer that might be released this year or next year is 4 or 6 years out of date?


Yes.

Arguing is a strong word. How about discussing?

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Re: The new Commodore from USA is no more now soon?
Posted on 28-May-2011 23:25:17
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Given the way things are time will tell.

The failure rate of new X86 OS's is rather high.

How about Microsoft Windows NT failed on PowerPC?

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Re: The new Commodore from USA is no more now soon?
Posted on 28-May-2011 23:50:40
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@AmigaHeretic

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Can you show me any PPC OSes that has a succes rate that comes closes to MAC, .........
...........


AmigaOS for PPC has sold every copy that people have bought. So there.


And if you go by their claimed sales figures and claimed user base, they apparently have sold a lot of of copies of AmigaOS for PPC people have never bought either.

Same goes for CUSA as well. They have sold almost more Linux machines in 48 hours than the history of Linux machines every being sold!





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Posted on 28-May-2011 23:56:23
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So we'd trade these guys for going more mainstream and possibly bringing back interest from the 10,000s of great people lost along the way that use to make the Amiga great and fun?

i fear this is an irreversible loss.

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AmigaOS for PPC has sold every copy that people have bought. So there.

i rather doubt it. for instance i would perhaps be tempted with the likes of with os4.1 few years ago when i bough 4.0. not anymore even if i have just the hardware for it.

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@wawa

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AmigaOS for PPC has sold every copy that people have bought. So there.


i rather doubt it. for instance i would perhaps be tempted with the likes of with os4.1 few years ago when i bough 4.0. not anymore even if i have just the hardware for it.


So ???? you did not pay for the one you did buy, or did pay for the one you did not buy?

Because AmigaOS for PPC was sold to all those people that bought one, regardless of hardware.

Nighty-nite.

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