@BrianK

As I stated before, no server is 100% secure. What's the difference between this year and the many years before? The mass hack attacks started after that idiot American hacker (who's hacking resulted into OtherOS removal and afterwards publically spread a root security key) called for a boycott!

Sony drawed increased attention from hackers due to Sony protecting their assets and consumers like they are required by law.

Really Sony should be focussing 100% on dealing with the massive distruction the Japanese disaster caused, not fighting off cyber criminals.

@MikeB

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As I stated before, no server is 100% secure

Because security is imperfect is not an excuse to not do a good job. Sony Greece fail due a SQL Injection Attack. Something known and preventable for almost 15 years! And a day later it appears that Sony Japan was hacked by another SQL Injection attack.

Japan was right. Sony has yet to secure things properly.

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The mass hack attacks started after that idiot American hacker (who's hacking resulted into OtherOS removal and afterwards publically spread a root security key) called for a boycott!

Good point he called for a boycott. The illegal hacking of a corporate network is not a boycott. Had people llisened to him the Sony network wouldn't have been attacked.

EDIT: Oh and don't forget Sony themselves publically spread a root security key. Hindsight is 20/20 but that was likely an indicator of how Sony management didn't understand security. :END EDIT

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Really Sony should be focussing 100% on dealing with the massive distruction the Japanese disaster caused, not fighting off cyber criminals.

These aren't mutally exclusive ideas. I'm under no impression that the network security expert happens to also be a bricklayer that's going to rebuild the Sony buildings. As such Sony should be able to take on both at once. And of course has Sony focused more on security prior to the attack it would have reduced, if not eliminated, the situation they'd been in for the last month.

Don't get me wrong I do blame the illegal break-in to a corporate network. But, it's also clear Sony wasn't doing as much as they could do in respect to security. Unpatched servers? SQL Injection attacks? -- These are basic things a rookie administrator should know and address in the normal course of the day.

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@BrianK

Come on Brian, you know nothing about the details regarding Sony's breached security problems and the attacks, yet you pretend to! Why?

For example yesterday it was revealed the two biggest Dutch banks were victims of about 30 co-operating cyber criminals who discovered a security hole in the online finance system. The big (currently state owned) ABN Amro bank with 110,000 employees worldwide led by our former vice-president, minister of finance and professor extraordinary Gerrit Zalm. It's the world's 15th biggest bank operating in 63 countries worldwide!

The other bank is the Rabobank, a global leader in Food and Agri financing and in sustainability-oriented banking with AAA credit rating from Moody's, Standard & Poor's and DBRS! (Foreign banks they own include American banks Pacific State Bank and id-State Bank & Trust).

The criminals stole many tens of millions of euros over a large time span!

What now to expect from you? You providing your expert views as a "critical American" pointing your fingers towards companies being *attacked* by criminals? You do understand it is well known major American companies themselves such as for example Enron, Bernard L. Madoff Investment Securities LLC, Halliburton, etc comitted mass fraud?

Maybe before pointing fingers at issues you know no details of it will be more constructive to concentrate on actually criminal behaviour back home (instead of trying to kick victims). Microsoft for example is widely known to have massively abused their monopoly position and might to destroy small companies, yet Bush killed the antitrust case against Microsoft destroying any oppertunity for legal justice.

Take a step back and just think about it for a while. I don't think you really want to be a bad person, always chosing the wrong side of the fence. Maybe it's the media you are watching, maybe try to follow something like BBC worldnews instead (still English languaged but more objective and professional with regard to its reporting than Soros' media networks).

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@MikeB

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Come on Brian, you know nothing about the details regarding Sony's breached security problems and the attacks, yet you pretend to! Why?

I agree I have the indirect evidence of Sony's statements and well established security firm, Sophos, statements. I'm not a direct point of the solution. Being an ex-server and security administrator myself and now managing those teams I have more then enough direct experience to realize that security can always be stronger and procedures can always be improved. And shock so does Sony as it wrote a letter to it's vendors describing the improvements it's putting in place. The statement I make isn't difficult -- Sony is being reactive and it appears it could have been pro-active.

Though point of note - you seem to think Sony's doing an awesome job. You have no data any greater than I do for observation. The same criticism is as fairly leveled at your Sony is the most perfect company in the world rainbows you blow up our asses.

Now the bank info is interesting. Though Sony doesn't own the bank, it's networks are different, it's staff is different, it's goals are different, it's procedures are different it's...You get it! You can't assume the same attack or vulvernabilities existed at both places. As you noted you'd need comparitive details which you don't have for either case.

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You do understand it is well known major American companies themselves such as for example Enron, Bernard L. Madoff Investment Securities LLC, Halliburton, etc comitted mass fraud?

Not sure the point here. My thought is not that we should send hackers to their networks but instead bring them to court. It's not as if I support fraud and I've also clearly stated I don't support hacking corporate networks.

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its reporting than Soros' media networks

You're way off base into conspiracy land to excuse Sony from taking more agressive pro-active security measures to protect 100Million users. (Also MikeB you need to establish George Soros actually owns these he is, afterall, a hedge fund manager. His type of ownership and direction isn't the same as say Rupert Murdoch. )

Come back from Lalaland.

EDIT: So how could we know? Well it'll likely have to come from the Court systems of various Countries. They can do a class action lawsuit from Sony and demand backup tapes of their environment. They could then pay a security team to restore the serves and see if what security vulvernabilities exist. Personally, I hope Japan does it. It's a Japanese company and it seems Japan itself is the nation holding Sony from bringing the network back online. Sony isn't going to offer this up to free to the world. It's not like they want the world to see their dirty laundry. :END EDIT

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@MikeB

Sony Canada hacked -- A Lebense hacking group, Idahca, is claiming responsibility. They also stated Credit Card info is available but they didn't extract that information.

@BrianK

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Though Sony doesn't own the bank, it's networks are different, it's staff is different, it's goals are different, it's procedures are different it's...You get it! You can't assume the same attack or vulvernabilities existed at both places.

Sony is well versed with regard to security:



http://sonybank.net/

But with enough criminal effort your bank can be exploited in similar ways as well.

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@MikeB

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Sony is well versed with regard to security:

Sony Thailand and Indonesia are hacked. This makes 11 Sony network points. If you want to do some reading you can read about SQL Injection attacks and prevention afterall this problem and solution is well documented.

I think you mean to say Sony is getting schooled with regard to security. They clearly do not have a dynamic organization that can handle this stuff. Else the information of a SQL Injection attack 2 days ago would have made it into other arms of the company who would have promptly audited and fixed SQL Injection issues and/or downed that portion to ensure security.

I hardly think Greenpeace runs banks.

Don't forget in the 21st Century we have rebranding. In the Credit Card world many companies put their logo on the card but they don't backend the systems.

Now let's give you that Sony does indeed run their own bank fully with no outside help. The question begs if their banks are more secure than other areas of their network. If so then they failed to move the intelligence, knowledge, and processes from their banking arm into other arms of the company. So if you have any information that Sony was, or wasn't, doing such a thing it could go far in demonstrating whose point of view may be more valid. At present what we do have is evidence that information about hacks don't travel swifty enough to protect other areas of Sony days later.

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LA Noire overheating the PS3 and 360

@BrianK

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BrianK wrote: LA Noire overheating the PS3 and 360

Probably an issue that causes 100% cpu usage in an infinite loop...

@MikeB

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Microsoft for example is widely known to have massively abused their monopoly position and might to destroy small companies, yet Bush killed the antitrust case against Microsoft destroying any oppertunity for legal justice.

Look we know you hate Microsoft. Likely a strong part of the reason you fail to see value in the Xbox 360 as a product is your discrimination of Microsoft.

About a decade ago Microsoft was ordered to be split in 2. That didn't survive the appeals process. (Seems you agree with it.) What has happened is Microsoft has fufilled it's legal requirement. For example it is sharing it's technical documentation and protocols with competitors. Microsoft has embraced open source and open standards. (Yeah not fully but more more than a decade ago.) For example, Office creates XML docs which other office type programs can use to more easily interchange documents. Clearly Microsoft of the 2010 is not the Microsoft of 1990.

Nor is the computing landscape. We have big competitors with Google challenging Microsoft's desktop supremecy. We have small companies, Apple, that are now valued higher in stock value than Microsoft even if Microsoft has more than enough cash on hand to buy Apple outright. We companies, Oracle, that are turning 75% profits off their software. We have smartphones where Microsoft appears be selling about 2% of that market. We have an emerging tablet market, where Microsoft basically isn't a player and hopes to get into that game w/ Windows 8 next year. We have a console market where Microsoft is #2 and fast approaching #3, though their profits are #2 if not #1 in the marketspace. Part of that reason is the quality they brought was worth a price to consumers where their competitors had to give it away for free.

Hate Microsoft all you want but do realize the world has changed since the 80s and 90s and it's no longer clear Microsoft is the only choice in the home, in the business, or in the marketplace.

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@BrianK

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Likely a strong part of the reason you fail to see value in the Xbox 360 as a product is your discrimination of Microsoft.

Although I dislike Microsoft as a company it never influenced my perspective on the XBox 360. At first I thought (as stated) the XBox 360 was a good well specced gaming console, it wasn't until the mass hardware failures I understood the kind of rush job Microsoft did.

And it wasn't until Microsoft's and XBots mass propaganda compaign to claim their gaming console was much more powerful than the PS3 and a hell of a lot of other crap until I started the set right these wrongs on forums explaining what the Cell processor is really capable of.

But I think we have arrived at a point it would be best for the XBox 360 to be discontinued. This to enhance the gaming experience on the PS3, next gen Nintendo console and high end PCs.

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Hate Microsoft all you want but do realize the world has changed since the 80s and 90s and it's no longer clear Microsoft is the only choice in the home, in the business, or in the marketplace.

Microsoft did too many illegal and especially anti-competitive things in the past that I think the company and especially its executives should be severely punished. It sets a bad example for companies which get big enough to bypass the legal system. The enormous fine should then be invested in the remnants of non-Microsoft, non-Apple, non-mutli-billion dollar company IT consumer efforts.

Actually the money should be used abroad as compensation as well as it wasn't just companies in the US which endured massive damages, it should be invested worldwide. But that's unlikely to happen, the most important reason Microsoft could get away with it is because it is an American company, if it were an Iraqi or Afghani company it would have been bombarded, if it would have been a Dutch company the government would have been pressured to act (if not would then suffer grave economic and political damages).

If the US only invested only half the money they used to destroy and illegally occupy Iraq for a decade and instead into the development of the country Iraq would not be reduced from being one of the best developed countries in the middle east towards a base of jobless peniless paupers, mass corruption, high level insecurity, etc.

So its unlikely the US will ever do what's right. It is still the most powerful nation in the world and only if some government such as the Annunaki kingdom exists they could bring the US quickly to its knees and repay for its wrongdoings.

@MikeB

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it wasn't until the mass hardware failures I understood the kind of rush job Microsoft did.

I'd think most would agree that was rushed. Most would also agree it's been fixed in the S version of the console.

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And it wasn't until Microsoft's and XBots mass propaganda compaign

Every console has it's propaganda including the PS3.

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I think we have arrived at a point it would be best for the XBox 360 to be discontinued.

Yet the market disagrees with you as the 360 and the Kinect beat out the PS3 and Move. When a product is making a profit should one replace it? Certainly it makes little sense to Microsoft to remove the product to in turn increase Sony getting to profitability in the PS3. Even better perhaps the Wii shouldn't have existed to improve the games on the PS3 too.

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Microsoft did too many illegal and especially anti-competitive things in the past

As did Sony but you seem to not hate them.

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If the US only invested only half the money they used to destroy and illegally occupy Iraq

I'm the first to agree we never should have attacked Iraq but it has 0 bearing on consoles.

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So its unlikely the US will ever do what's right

I still see your hatred of the US and your hated as Microsoft as clouding your vision. You claim clarity by wearing your rose tinted Sony specs to somehow feel morally justified. Hey whatever floats your boat but be honest that your feelings about Microsoft are at play here. Especially when you cite a reason, hardware quality, that's now a non-issue.

@MikeB

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And it wasn't until Microsoft's and XBots mass propaganda compaign

You say you're not biased, but your choice of language lets you down again. Your true feelings are transparent when you refer to Sony's marketing as 'marketing' and Microsoft's marketing as 'propaganda'. There's only one person who's fooled by those justifications, and I suspect it's you.

EDIT: I skipped the anti-US stuff, but it's not the first time that off-topic rant has crept into your posts. Your previous post on the subject went beyond politics into pure offensive jingoism. You're starting to connect things you dislike in an almost paranoid way, which is slightly worrying given your recent interest in global conspiracy.

Chris

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From the horse's mouth: Sony is working on a PS4!
http://kotaku.com/5806110/sony-says-its-working-on-the-ps4

@Lou

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From the horse's mouth: Sony is working on a PS4!

Thanks for this. Here's a related article Sony states they won't invest as much in the PS4 . Sony spent close to $5Billion investing in factories, Cell design, marketing and console losses for the PS3. The Cell took nearly 5 years between it's claimed start in 2001 to launch in 2006. The result was #3, maybe #2. Sony isn't going to allow that loss or delay again. It has to make good, read profits, on the Cell. Updating would seemingly be cost effective. It appears the PS4 will be evolutionary rather than revolutionary. Something I've stated all along.

@BrianK

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BrianK wrote: @Lou Quote: From the horse's mouth: Sony is working on a PS4! Thanks for this. Here's a related article Sony states they won't invest as much in the PS4 . Sony spent close to $5Billion investing in factories, Cell design, marketing and console losses for the PS3. The Cell took nearly 5 years between it's claimed start in 2001 to launch in 2006. The result was #3, maybe #2. Sony isn't going to allow that loss or delay again. It has to make good, read profits, on the Cell. Updating would seemingly be cost effective. It appears the PS4 will be evolutionary rather than revolutionary. Something I've stated all along.

Perhaps it will be 2 PS3's duct-taped together?

@Lou

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Perhaps it will be 2 PS3's duct-taped together?

That might not be a bad idea. The Cell, afterall, was supposted to be in everything. And everything was supposed to intercommunicate and processing power would be shared amongst devices and users making the whole greater than it's parts.

Making a PS4 that's essentially two PS3s wouldn't be a horrid idea. Replace the RSX w/ something modern. Make a dual core CPU motherboard and add in a 2nd Cell. Double the RAM, and perhaps even add back the removed 2nd HDMI. Keep the PS3 around for the casual gamer and the PS4 could be for the high end gamer. Multi-platform games could make use of either console along with the 360 and Wii2. Exclusive titles would demand the PS4 for the 1337 gamer!

@Lou

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Perhaps it will be 2 PS3's duct-taped together?

Will the next Xbox pull out the stops on the PS4? LINK

Didn't Ken Kutagari state he'd be back for future consoles? Is the PS4 the first Ken-less console for Sony?

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Agreed, that was my perspective around launch.

The investments into the development of the PS3 were pretty extreme, actually that's one of the prime aspects which got me interested in the PS3. (And people haven't seen what the PS3 is actually capable of).

Compared with the PS2 the PS3 was more like a PS3.5. I would love for Sony to developed a PS5-like PS4 but the worldwide economic climate isn't good for such.

A PS4 (as powerful as two overclocked PS3 duct taped together) could still be awesome and the best games console out there. The PS3 pretty much paved the way for moving the PC gaming industry towards more efficient coding, making low cost PS4 a very feasible approach.

@MikeB

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The investments into the development of the PS3 were pretty extreme, actually that's one of the prime aspects which got me interested in the PS3

Indeed the Cell was an interesting concept when started 10 years go. It seemed to be a direction of fairly good power with a fairly low cost. However, advances in manufacturing and direction of technlogy have made the Cell a dead end. For example, even Sony themselves didn't bring out a Next Gen handheld based on the Cell. For another example, no consumer grade TVs w/ Blu-Ray exist. So Sony didn't realize the ubiquitouity they sold of the Cell.

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I would love for Sony to developed a PS5-like PS4 but the worldwide economic climate isn't good for such.

I'd say Sony's bottom line can't sustain another $3-5 billion dollar bet either.

What I see is Microsoft needs to shore up their weakness - hardware. The RRoD was fixed but a bad thing overall. Even though the platform has exceeded the expected sales this bug keep the platforms and profits back. I suspect they'll have a Blu-Ray player because it's needed for media. Microsoft has the software and online space in the market. With stronger hardware Microsoft will prove even a harder competitor for Sony and Nintendo next gen. Microsoft is known for their 3rd time is a charge approach. I expect Microsoft's 3rd console will do better in the marketplace than Sony's 3rd console.

What I see is Sony needs to shore up their weakness - software/OS and online. Even while free the PSN does not have the support of Xbox Live. The PS3 OS was not well thought out. Sure it's improved since launch but it still needs some help. And of course the current console news is abound with problems from hackers on the PSN. What I see for Sony is a modern GPU, a slight improvement on the Cell and focusing on it's weak areas OS, security, and online services. Actually I wouldn't be surprised if Sony tries to bring Google and/or Apple in to help it along.