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nimrod7 
Re: More C64x Pics at Commodore USA Customination Facility in Ft. Lauderdale
Posted on 14-Jun-2011 13:36:45
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@redrumloa

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Just look at some of the accusations at Barry being a thief, con man, scam artist or whatever. If those accusations were leveled at individuals in the OS4/X1000 camp, swift and brutal moderation would likely take place.


why moderator should intervene when you're referring to facts? it makes no sense.

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(of course you could defend Barry ad extremum, believing Barry is a good chap, except for the others around him (Chinese included). well, some of us like fairy tales)

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When I get it back for my dishing it out? My opinion of the X1000 and OS4 is not very high, but I seriously doubt I ever stood up for Amiga Inc in recent times and I really seriously doubt I have ever accused Hermans of stealing money, let alone Trevor. I also do not wait for and join every single OS4 related thread on every site just to troll, bash and spread vile slander.

no, you haven't. your criticisms have been genuine, and i've never taken you to be one of the raving anti-hyperion nutters. my comment about 'complaining' and 'dishing it out' was far more general. it wasn't aimed at you.

i need to work on my english.

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Just look at some of the accusations at Barry being a thief, con man, scam artist or whatever. If those accusations were leveled at individuals in the OS4/X1000 camp, swift and brutal moderation would likely take place.

yeah, they're a tad brutal, i'd have to agree. but then again so is the vitriol against ben hermans, the friedens, and if we want to go back in history, against the MOS developers as well. my stars, the first time i discovered the archives over at ANN.lu....

i don't know about that last comment, though. AWN used to be far more aggressive in moderating threads that took a turn for the worse, but not so much anymore. in fact i would argue that the anti-OS4 trolling is as bad or worse than the anti-CUSA trolling around here.

my point was that, of late, the same people who used (and continue) to bash the 'red guys' are now the 'CUSA guys,' and, once they get a taste of the abuse they've been dishing out for years, they play the 'victim card' and say everyone is being mean to them. the invective-laden threads on this and other fora are indicative of a pathology that haunts the amiga community. i had specific complaints against barry, they were resolved, situation over. i've taken serious objection to recent behavior and do not plan on supporting them, but for those who do, i have no animus.

folks use AROS, OS3, OS4, MOS, minimig, and (hopefully soon) the natami. some of those flavors i have interest in, others i do not. i'm not going to post in those threads unless something there interests me specifically, and i'm not going to deliberately or knowingly ruffle feathers. i only ask the same from everyone else. i posted here because, until sunday, i had an interest in where CUSA is going. as i no longer do, unless anything happens to change my mind, you probably won't see me on CUSA threads any more.

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Re: More C64x Pics at Commodore USA Customination Facility in Ft. Lauderdale
Posted on 14-Jun-2011 14:00:03
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@nimrod7

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why moderator should intervene when you're referring to facts? it makes no sense.


You are saying it is a fact that Barry is a thief, con man, scam artist? You do know that is slander at best and libel at worst, don't you? I didn't say a moderator should intervene, I would only like to see a level playing field when it comes to moderation. Others have suggested this to be the case nowadays. I know in the past on AO we would moderate any and all outright libel, regardless who it was directed at.

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(of course you could defend Barry ad extremum, believing Barry is a good chap, except for the others around him (Chinese included). well, some of us like fairy tales)


Photoshopped photos and lashing out at detractors on message boards? Hmm, where I have I seen this before on a project. Oh right!

BTW, does THIS look like a fairy tale?

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Re: More C64x Pics at Commodore USA Customination Facility in Ft. Lauderdale
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@eliyahu

No problem, thank you for the clarification.

I have no problem with people disliking the current product. I also have no problem with people being skeptical or even cynical. I find it funny some people call it a hoax when clearly it is not. I don't stomach the slander well, which as you say is a bit brutal.

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BTW, does THIS look like a fairy tale?


Is dammy trustworthy? Didn't he post fake photos somewhere recently?

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Others have suggested this to be the case nowadays. I know in the past on AO we would moderate any and all outright libel, regardless who it was directed at.


It's more like we don't care anymore. I've come to the conclusion that it's better if people fight here, so that they don't spend so much time on other sites, but that's just me...

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Re: More C64x Pics at Commodore USA Customination Facility in Ft. Lauderdale
Posted on 14-Jun-2011 14:16:11
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@redrumloa

You can't deny that there is some major "smoke and mirrors" going on and unfortunately you're in the thick of it, either as a willing participant (which I find hard to believe having done business with you for years) or as a suckered bystander.

Either way, the mountain of lies is building up, the lack of ethics is there to see and you seem to have your head firmly planted in the sand.

You're compromised Jim. I just hope nobody is investing money in C-USA.

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Re: More C64x Pics at Commodore USA Customination Facility in Ft. Lauderdale
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@redrumloa

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I have no problem with people disliking the current product. I also have no problem with people being skeptical or even cynical. I find it funny some people call it a hoax when clearly it is not. I don't stomach the slander well, which as you say is a bit brutal.

yeah, the whole 'hoax' thing is a tad ridiculous. whatever the truth behind the now infamous fujitsu photos -- and i have no reason to doubt barry's word at this point -- CUSA is very real and has contracted for everything they say they have.

as for slander, agreed. i don't like it regardless as to whomever it is aimed.

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Re: More C64x Pics at Commodore USA Customination Facility in Ft. Lauderdale
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@zerohero

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It's more like we don't care anymore. I've come to the conclusion that it's better if people fight here, so that they don't spend so much time on other sites, but that's just me...


I hear you, there is no winning when moderating.

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Is dammy trustworthy? Didn't he post fake photos somewhere recently?


Dammy didn't make those pictures, they were shown to many people some weeks ago and not just Dammy. Dammy just happens to be the one to post them here. If there were nefarious intentions, which I still seriously doubt, Dammy would not have been the source.

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my point was that, of late, the same people who used (and continue) to bash the 'red guys' are now the 'CUSA guys,' and, once they get a taste of the abuse they've been dishing out for years


that`s a rude lie!

CUSA "fans" are the ones who are a object of public laugh around here , from the
very beginning when C= appeared on the scene! And if in any case they say anything
against such attacks, or return with the same measures, they are restricted because
some of the moderators are clearly supporting the other "camp".

If someone say that C=USA is nothing more but a group of liars, hoax guys and God knows
what, it is ok to leave it. And if someone says that X1000 is nothing more but a robbing
mechanism then it is a good thing to be restricted for.

Come on, grow up! Those are the stories for kids! Even the retarded birds on the trees
can figure this all hostile environment towards C=USA.







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@eXec

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If someone say that C=USA is nothing more but a group of liars, hoax guys and God knows
what, it is ok to leave it. And if someone says that X1000 is nothing more but a robbing
mechanism then it is a good thing to be restricted for.


erm...the last time you and @vox argued, it was @vox who got restricted, not you. And you proclaimed elsewhere that it was the right decision.

You realize the facts I just posted are directly opposite to what you just claimed?

You're upset because of the most recent events. You have every right to be, but I don't see where moderation played a part in what was an obvious lack of due diligence somewhere along the way, in regards to the photos.

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Re: More C64x Pics at Commodore USA Customination Facility in Ft. Lauderdale
Posted on 14-Jun-2011 14:41:29
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@eXec

and thank you for proving my point.

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@number6

we all know why was he restricted, don`t pretend that you
don`t know why he got himself a red card that time.

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eliyahu wrote:
@eXec

and thank you for proving my point.

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Re: More C64x Pics at Commodore USA Customination Facility in Ft. Lauderdale
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Even if it "were" (not saying it is) that Amiga fans were more welcomed here than CUSA PC fans, isn't it right that the Amiga point of view would be more welcome on an Amiga forum than fans of a PC OEM?

It's not much different to alt.amiga.advocacy back in the 90s when PC fans would come in to troll or push their views, when it was blatantly an Amiga channel.

This forum is not unique, try going to Mac Rumors and pushing Dell fanboyism, or posting endless threads about a new HP laptop/pc all over their forums, and see what kind of reception you get.

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OT: what a nice discovery which coincide with Natami-wikipedia-notability affair: cusa-wiki

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@Darrin

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Darrin wrote:
@redrumloa

You can't deny that there is some major "smoke and mirrors" going on and unfortunately you're in the thick of it, either as a willing participant (which I find hard to believe having done business with you for years) or as a suckered bystander.

Either way, the mountain of lies is building up, the lack of ethics is there to see and you seem to have your head firmly planted in the sand.

You're compromised Jim. I just hope nobody is investing money in C-USA.


I'm in the thick of it and have my head planted in the sand? Meeting the guy for an hour one night and taking a neutral opinion on a message board puts me in the thick of it? Oh boy...

You're compromised Jim.

Really? Because I don't think Barry sacrifices babies and wants to sacrifice teh true amigans?

I just hope nobody is investing money in C-USA

AFAIK the only ones with money invested are Barry and pre-order customers.

Don't you see Darrin, you are comprimised too! You have done business with me in the past which means you must be in on this grand conspiracy too

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I'm in the thick of it and have my head planted in the sand? Meeting the guy for an hour one night and taking a neutral opinion on a message board puts me in the thick of it? Oh boy...


I'd hardly call in "neutral" when you seem to ignore his insults, the lies, the fact that the right hand doesn't seem to know what the left is doing, etc, etc

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Really? Because I don't think Barry sacrifices babies and wants to sacrifice teh true amigans?


No, because you fail to acknowledge the obvious flaws in this business. Honestly, does it look like a multi-million dollar operation to you? Who the hell would make Dammy a moderator and spokesman?!

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AFAIK the only ones with money invested are Barry and pre-order customers.


Well you really wouldn't expect to know much after a 1 hour meeting, would you? Neither would you expect to know whether a company is being hyped up on the internet expressly to lure investors.

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Don't you see Darrin, you are comprimised too! You have done business with me in the past which means you must be in on this grand conspiracy too


I was compromised when the personal insults and threats arrived in my PM box. I didn't declare war, but I'm sure as hell going to finish it.

BtB has had ample time to throw a reset switch, but he obviously doesn't want to or is mentally incapable of doing so.

Understand this, I have no problem at all with C-USA selling PCs with whatever software they like on it. If one appealed to me then I'd even buy one. The hijacking of the Amiga name/brand and the attempt to pass off Linux as the New Amiga OS/Workbench was a big mistake and then the threats and insults just added fuel to the fire. Now the gloves are off. If a statement is made then I'm going to ask for clarification. If teh answer sucks then I'm going to point it out. If it is good news then I will happily clap from the back row and throw streamers and ticker-tape.

Ask yourself this: Why hasn't a single C64x been shipped to a customer? Don't you find it strange that a product was marketed the way it was when the case was only a prototype? Don't you find it strange for a multi-million dollar company to take pre-orders for a product when they can't even decide what is in the box or what is even going to run on it?

I've seen Fish n Chip shops with a better business plan. C-USA looks like a tiny company trying to look like a major using slight-of-hand tricks.

Also, Disney is not a "partner" in the sense that they actuall have any interest in computer products, marketing or otherwise, unless you're also prepared to believe that Dinsey sell fizzy drinks, Canadian laptops and light bulbs. All the Tron advertising equated to was C-USA buying some advertising space which made Disney some money. Nothing more, nothing less. You'd swear this has never happened before and no other flyer has ever fallen out of a DVD case.

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@Darrin

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I didn't declare war, but I'm sure as hell going to finish it.

You could also try to grow up. Just an idea.

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Posted on 14-Jun-2011 15:38:53
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I did, years ago. What's your excuse little boy?

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wow lots and lots of PC mobo with a C= USA sticker on them...

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