@ribdevil

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not in the AMIGA way.

The new Commodore Amiga way will be coming out later this year by C=USA. I think the key issue for the vast majority of us in the Amiga community is where COS 2.x is heading to. COS 2.x is going to be the key to all this and the future. It has to be able to smack you in the middle of the forehead that you have just turned on an Commodore Amiga. It has to strike a balance between a highly modern OS with enough eye candy to make the former A500/A1200 instantly smile but sophisticated and light enough for Devs to wield it as a katana. That's a tall order to achieve, but I think it's achievable by 2012 for a release.

Leo's project, COS 1.x, will be for the immediate time frame and as we all know, is based on a Linux distro called Ubuntu.

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@eXec

Not being sensitive at all.
Your post I commented on pretty much said that any anti CUSA sentiment is a knee jerk reaction as result of idiocy and only yourself can see the big picture.
That's along way from the truth.

I'm not saying that some of your points are not valid, they are valid.
The Amiga OS variants and available softaware is behind the big players of MS/Apple/Linux.
Hardware does not compare well when looking at the price/performance ratio.
It would take big investment which isn't around at the moment, to bring us back to the times when we were at the forefront of audio/video and gaming.

They are facts as you rightly point out, you will get no arguement from me and most others here I would suspect.

The argument arrives when you start to champion CUSA.
You cast doubt for instance that the X1000 will see the light of day due to fianancial reasons, which is fair enough.
But you then talk as though it's absolute fact that CUSA will produce an Amiga line of computers.
There are plenty of arguements that suggest that this might not happen.
I'm not saying it wont, I'm just saying it's not certain at this point in time.

As for the advertising, people aren't aware of AOS4.1, so what?
Why waste money that you haven't got to try and sell something to people which has the disadvantages as stated earlier.
Those areas need to be improved upon before we can even think about drawing in customers from outside our hobbyist fanbase.

I wouldn't be so convinced a new Amiga line will be any more successful than the C64x.
And don't forget, we still don't really know how successful that has been.
The original CBM64 and it's breadbin case holds a lot of fond memories as it was at the forefront of home computing for the masses.

A bog standard case with the Commodore and Amiga names, I suspect will not have the same appeal as the retro looking C64x.

And yet you repeatedly post in threads lines like, don't worry, the new Amiga line will be here shortly.
A machine that ultimately might end up being a Linux machine, if it appears at all.
This isn't endearing you to someone who is trying to discuss issues with AOS4/AROS/MOS.
That is why you get some of the flack that you do.

As for Vox, I wont say too much other than there is a right way to voice your concerns and many wrong ways.

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@eXec

Barry has already successfully let it be known that our muddy little puddle is of no significance to his cunning business plan.
The market that the C=64x is aiming at have no idea what you are on about when you mention Sam460 or A1X1K, and the sales of these particular machines will have absolutely no impact on the sales and distribution of Barrys new toy.
I can buy a x86 based laptop, with a full keyboard, display, and windows installed, cheaper at my local supermarket with a full years warranty. I can take this machine home, start it up and install emulators for almost any extinct computer that you could name.
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How many of the enthusiast companies are actually doing a "job". Doing a decent PR which was on CNN, BBC, ARD, ZDF, SAT1, PRO7, SKY...? Who?

Barry and his fans need to stop worrying about pestering users of AOS4.x/MOS/AROS and work out how they can take market share from the likes of Acers emachines, who also do not see the need for huge marketing campaigns, but still manage to sell significant numbers of machines

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@damocles

You have a deadline coming up (one week?) for submission of questions to Barry for his next q/a session.
Maybe someone could fine tune one question to allow him to speak about his own vision concerning how to make an amiga connection to the later version of COS and how that might connect to the h/w planned.
I'd focus in terms of what -can- be done though, else we end up rehashing former roadblocks that lead nowhere.

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@number6

I think that is probably something most of us would like to see.
That would be of more interest on Amiga forums as it's more relevant than the current C64x offering.

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@TiredofLife

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I think that is probably something most of us would like to see. That would be of more interest on Amiga forums as it's more relevant than the current C64x offering.

In a way it's "catch 22". It would be of more interest, but it's also a discussion using that little word "amiga", which also seems to bring out the worst from all posters. Paradox?

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A figure of speech in which a statement appears to contradict itself.

Yep. That was the word I was looking for. Use of the word "friend" to condone and inspire "warfare". heh.

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The new Commodore Amiga way will be coming out later this year by C=USA. I think the key issue for the vast majority of us in the Amiga community is where COS 2.x is heading to. COS 2.x is going to be the key to all this and the future

You do relise you are starting to sound like fleecy moss?

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@damocles

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I think the key issue for the vast majority of us in the Amiga community is where COS 2.x is heading to.

I hope COS 2.x is not heading in to the direction of the mythical OS5.

@number6

I wouldnt say all posters.
There are enough of us here who use combinations of AOS3/AOS4/AROS/MOS and happy to refer to them all as being part of the Amiga family.
As for COS2, we will just have to wait and see.

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by number6 on 17-Jul-2011 15:59:54 @TiredofLife Quote: I think that is probably something most of us would like to see. That would be of more interest on Amiga forums as it's more relevant than the current C64x offering. In a way it's "catch 22". It would be of more interest, but it's also a discussion using that little word "amiga", which also seems to bring out the worst from all posters. Paradox? Quote: A figure of speech in which a statement appears to contradict itself. Yep. That was the word I was looking for. Use of the word "friend" to condone and inspire "warfare". heh. #6

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@pavlor

Knit pick for historical accuracy since it was really the mythical product temporarily referred to as OS5:

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The product that we are going to ship is going to be much better than OSX from Apple, so OS 5 is not an accurate name or description of the product offering.

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@cheesegrate

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cheesegrate wrote: @dammy Quote: The new Commodore Amiga way will be coming out later this year by C=USA. I think the key issue for the vast majority of us in the Amiga community is where COS 2.x is heading to. COS 2.x is going to be the key to all this and the future You do relise you are starting to sound like fleecy moss?

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You do relise you are starting to sound like fleecy moss?

Fortunately, I'm not into sheep.

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@damocles

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damocles wrote: Fortunately, I'm not into sheep.

Doesn't seem that way Dammy when you keep bleating on about every new thing that CUSA have done. Blindly following what Digitex keeps telling you because it would seem like he knows what true direction the Amiga community needs to follow. Yup I can see how that wouldn't make you a sheep mate. I really can.

Also why are you so fascinated with 2.x? Could it be that the reworking they have done to Ubuntu is that bad that they are gonna drop 1.x asap? If so are they still going to offer support for 1.x customers who don't want to upgrade to the 2.x series?

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Also why are you so fascinated with 2.x? Could it be that the reworking they have done to Ubuntu is that bad that they are gonna drop 1.x asap? If so are they still going to offer support for 1.x customers who don't want to upgrade to the 2.x series?

what mean 'they,' paleface?

the magic of COS v1.0 is ubuntu with leo playing with the installer manifests to include more packages, changing a few strings here and there, and changing the default icon set, GTK theme, and wallpapers. that's it. nothing more, no actual development work, value-add, innovation, etc. nothing to contribute back to the free software community.

and guess what? COS v2.0 exists only in people's minds. it will also be linux. they might pay canonical to do it for them. or someone else. it won't be a game-changer. it won't be anything new. it will be, like everything else they do, repackging the work of others, claiming it as there own, and trying to get everyone to think it is something more than it is.

wake up, guys. spammy posts this just to stir things up. he knows these guys are what they appear. he justs thinks it somehow gets the goat of the OS4 crowd, who he has vilified for nearly a decade. the truth is, we just don't care.

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I know, I was just curious as to what he would come out with when pressed on it lol. ;)

COS 2.x - It's as real as Santa, the Easter Bunny, Marry Poppins and the breasts of a glamor model.

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@CritAnime

now that's funny!

perhaps we could suggest bazza hires jordan as the spokesperson for CUSA when COS v2.0 ships? it would certainly get everyone's attention around here rather more effectively than spammy's posts.



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awesome. I didn't know how many of the community would get the Jordan joke. :D

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@eliyahu

Who is repackging now?
I think you will find the glamour model you refer to as Jordan is really called Katie Price.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

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@eliyahu

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and guess what? COS v2.0 exists only in people's minds. it will also be linux.

I wouldn't bet the farm on that if I were you.

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@TiredofLife

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The argument arrives when you start to champion CUSA.

I will champion any new company that has a vision and, for the millionth time,
business strategy and PR. The name is irrelevant but in this case it plays a major
role in retro-sentiment factor. I am sure that if AEon got the C= name and bought
the licenses from AInc, those hate spreading "screamers" around here would
be saying how a great and mastermind plan it was. This way up, cusa are the
bad guys for achieving that goal. Absurd, again.


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But you then talk as though it's absolute fact that CUSA will produce an Amiga line of computers. There are plenty of arguements that suggest that this might not happen. I'm not saying it wont, I'm just saying it's not certain at this point in time.

We both know it will happen. As well as we knew that C=64 will be out.

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As for the advertising, people aren't aware of AOS4.1, so what? Why waste money that you haven't got to try and sell something to people which has the disadvantages as stated earlier. Those areas need to be improved upon before we can even think about drawing in customers from outside our hobbyist fanbase.

Well, i`we learned at my college under "professional placement" that withouth
good marketing there is no sale. A waste of money , in my personal opinion is the
4.1 for classics. What use of it? Wasted time and money. Better to port 2 libraries
for x64 or arm than anything for 68xxx or PPC blizzards. Those things did it`s job.
Leave them in peace. Time to go on. It`s 2011 for Christs sake.

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A bog standard case with the Commodore and Amiga names, I suspect will not have the same appeal as the retro looking C64x.

Who knows what will come out till then. First comes the replica models. That much
i know. It`s all about the sales in the world of business. It directs the future.
It`s more than just hobby stuffs now. It`s more than obvious.



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A machine that ultimately might end up being a Linux machine, if it appears at all.

Somehow , something tells me it will be a more than just a Linux machine.



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This isn't endearing you to someone who is trying to discuss issues with AOS4/AROS/MOS.

I don`t know if I understand this sentence well, but i think that the issues with
aros/os4 in cooperation with C= got some law threatening epilogue.


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That is why you get some of the flack that you do.

Hopefully those times are now beyond us...

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