Trolling: no. Sounding silly or uninformed: possibly.

From what I see the main/only argument againist CUSA is "That's not a C64! That's not an amiga! They have nothing to do with the Amiga architecture/OS etc."
Well, of course. Who could ever think so?
Do you REALLY think that there's people that's going to buy - say - a C64X thinking/expecting it's a new version of the commodore 64?

To me the whole rigmarole going on here sounds like the National Rifle Association bashing Toys'R'Us because they don't put a giant sticker on their plastic toy weapons saying "THIS IS NOT A TRUE WEAPON! YOU CAN'T KILL ANYONE WITH THIS!"

End of line.

@resle

To be honest, IMHO the Commodore 64 branded PC is not aimed at "Amigans" but the 20-30 million people (plus their family and friends) who either owned a C64 or have fond memories of "good old days" of Retro computing.

The potential market size is way bigger than any "Amiga" hardware market and with the right price people will buy this branded "keyboard-in-a-case" PC for the nostalgia and novelty value. OK it's not and never will be an Amiga but that is not the market segment they hope to attract.

Pesonally I wish Commodore USA well. Will I buy one for my collection, possibly?

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To be honest, IMHO the Commodore 64 branded PC is not aimed at "Amigans" but the 20-30 million people (plus their family and friends) who either owned a C64 or have fond memories of "good old days" of Retro computing.

But it only looks like a C64, I would think those ppl would expect it to run the old games.

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@TrevorDick

Exactly, Trevor. I wonder why this simple simple thing escapes the grasp of many and keeps fueling so much pointless "hatred".

I want one because I've thought about fitting a mini itx board in a genuine c64 case for years, and because I love the c64 as a design object. But I never thought for a second that anything coming from CUSA as it is now could be even loosely related to the Amiga market.

No, the main problem is C-USA have behaved like dicks, continue to behave like dicks and will continue to behave like dicks. They lie, insult and threaten at will.

Nobody cares that they're selling a PC product. Honestly, good luck to them because they're going to need it. It is their ethics (or lack of) that causes the issues.

It is that simple.

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@resle

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But I never thought for a second that anything coming from CUSA as it is now could be even loosely related to the Amiga market.

It shouldn't have been, but their very first thread here, they proclaimed their product to be the new "real" Amiga.

It's not what they make/sell thats causing a problem, its how they presented it here.

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@sundown

The presenting is enougt for people like exec to get interested.

@sundown

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It shouldn't have been, but their very first thread here, they proclaimed their product to be the new "real" Amiga.

If so, 100% shame on them - and they deserve all the flamewars.

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resle wrote: @sundown Quote: It shouldn't have been, but their very first thread here, they proclaimed their product to be the new "real" Amiga. If so, 100% shame on them - and they deserve all the flamewars.

Can someone post a link to that thread... because that's not how I remember it. I could be wrong though.

@TrevorDick

You've probably read as many threads as I have over the years about past Commodore efforts, all of which involved rebranding. And *gasp* some were garden variety PCs too.
For the most part, they all involved harmless discussion and the tone was more analytical, as opposed to emotional. Frankly, that's how most "general technology" forum threads go.

When the word "amiga" appeared late last year, that all changed.
I'm sure I don't need to review "amiga" as it relates to exuding emotion here.

Fact is, the current products are C64x and VIC Slim.
Discussion of them should have taken the path of the earlier Commodore revival topics, without the vitriol.

It is amazing how the insertion into the dialog of that one little word "friend" turned some peoples' emotions 180°.

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Kicko wrote: @sundown The presenting is enougt for people like exec to get interested.

Spare me of such psy trance corny bassline intros...

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@resle

The biggest problem for me - CUSA company is planning to selling products under original names of the now legendary computers. If this company would bring its own products under other names, such as C65, Amiga 1100, Amiga 2600 or Amiga 3100 - nobody would care. But selling an ordinary PC under such well known names is crap. And finally, it causes problems in orientation between the models.

However, I must say that the products of this company are nice (except C64). But I do not like her approach to the Amiga community (a little respect for the history of the platform would be nice).

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@Darrin

Yeah to our small community CUSA have been huge dicks and fraudulent from the get go with stolen pictures and stolen legal documents they sent out. FACT.


Big picture to the 20 to 30 million past C64 customers.

CUSA has MISSED THE BOAT. Even if the hardware was out of this world excellent, keyboard was silky smoth, case was a beautiful replication, etc, etc...

They are missing the software side.
People would expect one of 2 things. Either this is a C64 clone or a PC clone, meaning it does one of 2 things out of the box:

1) People expect in 2011 this things has ALL C64 games they remeber on it ready to run out of the box or easy was to play all those old games. It doesn't have this.

2) It is a Windows machine in C64 clothing. It is not.


CUSA is at the last minute trying to cobble some half assed thing together. Uh, WTF were they thinking? How did this thing get to within 10 feet of shipping out the front door and no OS?

Really? Very PRO-scamessional.

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I was to remove my post but i was too late i see :) I promised myself to not post in CUSA threads but i just couldnt stopmyself.

@prober im with you

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TrevorDick wrote: @resle To be honest, IMHO the Commodore 64 branded PC is not aimed at "Amigans" but the 20-30 million people (plus their family and friends) who either owned a C64 or have fond memories of "good old days" of Retro computing.

Their target market would be a subset of the 20-30 million people who either owned a C64 or have fond memories of it. For example, I have very fond memories of the C64, but have no interest in a rebranded PC. Why? Well, what made the C64 special to me was the technology inside, not the look of the box; it was all about what you could do with it that counted. When the last few C64s came out with an Amiga 500 style case, I thought that it was an improvement.

A C64 in a joystick or a Commodore-One would be far more interesting for me. However, I have more than enough things to keep me occupied as-is.

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@resle

It's funny and ironic that the only branded product that CUSA is not using are the retro commodore x86 PCs, instead they are using totally unrelated x86 PC commodore brands to sell PCs

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Whoever owns the OS, effectively owns Amiga whether Commodore USA or Amiga Inc. like it or not.

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Can someone post a link to that thread... because that's not how I remember it. I could be wrong though.

I haven't been able to find those first threads, maybe a good thing. A search doesn't go back far enough in time & I wonder how much was lost when the site went down, but feel free to post what you remember, if you like. I recall it wasn't the company itself that posted first, but it's followers & then the owner(s) soon after.

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@sundown

Thinking back it was probably that Leo CTO character - the one who has gone silent for some while now. Dammy has taken over his dirty work.

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