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Re: OS4 on G4 Macs
Posted on 27-Jul-2011 11:28:37
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@polka.

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I wasn't aware there was another OS4 to Mac PPC project besides Moana.


He might be referring to Adam, who also posed the idea to Bill before the Moana project.

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Re: OS4 on G4 Macs
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@polka.

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I wasn't aware there was another OS4 to Mac PPC project besides Moana.


He might be referring to Adam, who also posed the idea to Bill before the Moana project.

#6


I didn't know that Adam was also targeting Mac PPCs with his "ideas". I merely remember him claiming that he managed to get OS4 running under QEMU.

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Re: OS4 on G4 Macs
Posted on 27-Jul-2011 11:57:36
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@polka.

There were discussions with Bill McEwen to port OS4 to the B&W Mac motherboards. These particular motherboards had pretty much all documentation available for it to adequately write drivers. Motherboards and CPUs were plentiful at the time as 1GHz G3's could be purchased for the B&W. Motherboards on average were going for $25 a piece on eBay. I had found a source for a large number of motherboards. The main intention was to serve as a stop gap measure until new hardware could be released after it was known that we weren't going to see any more chips and motherboards out of MAI. Timeline wise it was around the end of 2004 (give or take).

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Re: OS4 on G4 Macs
Posted on 27-Jul-2011 12:37:07
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Yes please, my iBook g4 is feeling quite abandoned

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Jupp3 
Re: OS4 on G4 Macs
Posted on 27-Jul-2011 13:59:34
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@billt

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If it's that easy, I invite you to collect and provide documentation to the website I linked to previously. If we can collect and provide it to Hyperion, their argument goes away... I tracked down a few things related to my iBook. All you out there can help, until we run out of things to collect or point to.

Thanks, but I have better ways to use the little free time I have, than doing a "proof of concept" documentation for something, that the "powers that be" have confirmed will never happen.

Also regarding the linux (or actually in this case, GPL) argument, don't forget that linux isn't the only open source kernel that runs on PPC macs, far from it. There are others (or information in general) that's available on more free license than GPL. Think of BSD for example.

But yes, even that won't change the "no" to "yes".

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Re: OS4 on G4 Macs
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@number6

Sadly, Acube (and Hyperion) neverthless didn`t finish the port. Since Moana leak isn`t fully usable (sound, network ...) that would still do the magic.

However, from the Acube -> Amiga Inc chat, it would be inetersting to know what were the "Amiga Inc plans with OS4"

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Re: OS4 on G4 Macs
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@vox

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However, from the Acube -> Amiga Inc chat, it would be inetersting to know what were the "Amiga Inc plans with OS4


It's pretty easy to put these links we've been tossing about in order by date.
The next "news" that followed was indeed by Amiga Inc. and concerned one of the topics brought up in that irc convo-SAM.

source

It should be pretty obvious that if Acube and Hyperion looked forward to SAM and so did Bill (if you take the above transcript literally), that something was standing in the way. That "something" led to the legal activity of course.
Oh well.

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Re: OS4 on G4 Macs
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@ackcontrls

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I had found a source for a large number of motherboards.


Sounds like someone planned to sell Mac HW under Amiga badge?

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Re: OS4 on G4 Macs
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@itix

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Sounds like someone planned to sell Mac HW under Amiga badge?


That would indicate you think Amiga Inc. considered the idea.
nope.
Adam was Just a developer trying to pursue a "stop gap" measure, just like so many others.

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Re: OS4 on G4 Macs
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@number6

Well, ACK line of boards never came to light, that is as much as almost any "newer Amiga Inc" development that was supposed to happen related to AmigaOS 4. However, impression nowadays is that AmigaOS 4 is progressing faster without AmigaInc and now, Amiga X1000 (and SAM 460) are about to replace the original plan.

It`s also nice to remember original AmigaOS 4 transition (quick and dirty, almost just a PPC recompile. While it took ages to develop, OS has gone quite forward with OS 4.1-4.1.3 and we`ll see how much with OS 4.2

First developer version was realised on 10th October 2004 officialy ending the dark ages since December 4, 2000 OS 3.9 release, so it will be "seven years of being back to road" and finalizing the PowerPC transition.

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Re: OS4 on G4 Macs
Posted on 27-Jul-2011 20:42:11
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@ackcontrls

Thanks for the info

Do you have plans for Amiga OS4?

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Re: OS4 on G4 Macs
Posted on 28-Jul-2011 8:33:12
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@vox

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However, impression nowadays is that AmigaOS 4 is progressing faster without AmigaInc and now, Amiga X1000 (and SAM 460) are about to replace the original plan.

Hasn't this "about to" been "about to" for over two years by now?

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Re: OS4 on G4 Macs
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@Jupp3

Over one year, yes. Over two years, no.

And he DID mention Sam460 which HAS been released. So your whole comment was a bit unnecessary, really.

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Re: OS4 on G4 Macs
Posted on 28-Jul-2011 9:24:36
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Yes, I would love to have OS4 running on my mac mini G4 as I live in two houses and I cannot afford to buy a second Sam460ex...

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Posted on 28-Jul-2011 13:27:19
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@olegil

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Over one year, yes. Over two years, no.

Sorry. Was too tired, and was just counting "amount of missed summer releases" - forgetting that first public announcements came only half year(?) before the first. (unless you count some earlier Hyperion "hints", which were very vague, and didn't really promise anything anyway)

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And he DID mention Sam460 which HAS been released. So your whole comment was a bit unnecessary, really.

That's true, my comment was mostly about X1000 (and "matching" OS4 release for it). 460 was also out-of-place from the original "about to" comment already, as it already is out.

Not saying it won't happen, just wondering how long "about to" can really live while staying the same, without becoming "hopefully released some undefined day", "unlikely to be released" and eventually "pure vapor". I'd say we are at phase 2 currently.

How long did it take ACK or Troika by comparison?

And yes, I do believe it will be out some day. There's just way too much money wasted already, to cancel the release.

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Re: OS4 on G4 Macs
Posted on 28-Jul-2011 19:07:51
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..and why you guys are discussing this yet again even though everybody lnows it will never happen?

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Posted on 28-Jul-2011 20:26:21
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@wawa

Because it`s such a no-brainer that people find that difficult to accept I guess.

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Posted on 28-Jul-2011 20:32:43
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@wawa

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..and why you guys are discussing this yet again even though everybody lnows it will never happen?


On the flip side why are we discussing this yet again because it's a no-brainer it SHOULD happen to boost the OS4.x community!!

..Oh that's nearly exactly what Frags said Oh well great minds.....

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Re: OS4 on G4 Macs
Posted on 30-Jul-2011 15:34:18
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@number6
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"They" weren't working on a port. It was just one guy (an OS4 developer) who started it himself, without telling anyone, then released his unfinished version.


Not exactly.
Nicola Moricutti presented the work to Bill McEwen prior to that.

source

The unfinished proof of concept was released later, but not quite the way you put it.
Quote:
For the record, that ISO image was obtained from a stolen laptop and there is a police report about that (in the USA).

source

It's also mentioned in the transcripts from AI vs Hyperion VOF.

#6

Just for the sake of accuracy, I guess most people in the AmigaOS 4 core team were aware of Moana at the time. Andrea Vallinotto once said on Ikir Sector
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So io quanto ci ho messo a far girare ExecSG su Moana, ed avevo i sorgenti e l'aiuto dei due cloni.

(handmade translation: "I do now how long it took me to have ExecSG running on Moana, and I had the sources and help from the two clones", the two clones being the Frieden twins - and link)

Kind regards,
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