any progress in JAVA engine porting?

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@Jamie_S

at least two projects with Java as an end-goal... one is my own and I have not implimented any Java specific code so I may simply integrate use of jamiga2 for launching Java Applcations it recognises

I am undecided on which way to handle the Java specifics.

@Deniil715

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I need Java to log in to my bank, which is very annoying. All banks in Norway seems to use "BankID" which is a Java applet. I can't even do online shopping with my Visa card because it requires this stupid BankID Java applet everytime my card is to be charged.

Of course this is in no way "amiga-specific" problem. I still remember the day, when I had to go to a local school to be able to buy a simple train ticket! (as this java-requirement also blocks most(?) mobile phones)

Sure, there's "mobile version" of the bank website itself, but that doesn't help much, if you still cannot do online payments.

In Finland, during Danske Banken - Sampo merging, we also got this horrible java crap. Also caused lots of new customers for all the other banks, so I don't think they would seriously consider "upgrading" any day soon

Also, even if we DID have java for browser, that wouldn't help with Danske Banken - it basically uses Java "as an exploit" to run per-platform native DLL's (and make a guess if they would be willing to do Amiga versions...) - So when they claim they "support Linux", that's strictly X86/X86-64 -only. Wouldn't wonder if OSX/PowerPC is also unsupported by now.

(of course this might not apply to all java-using banks)

Sampo Uh-Oh in case someone might want to read how well the transition went in Finland / how "secure" the new system was.

For me, the worst was all the bullsh#t about "how much better and more secure the new system is", and when someone points a critical vulnerability, it's dismissed with "It's not a vulnerability unless we ourselves acknowledge it as such."

This was shortly after link to following started circulating: link

In picture, you can see url starting with www.sampopankki.fi (the url of the bank) but within the browser, you can see the login of Nordea (another, totally separate finnish bank) - by that point it should be clear for everyone (except Sampo's security personnel) that almost anyone could forge Sampo front page and direct some users there with valid-looking url, and get their personal data.

-EDIT-

They also used (without users permission OR even bothering to tell the user) some 3rd party gallup company to collect user information (What? If they don't bother telling they collect anything, good luck getting them tell you what they got...) If you were following access closely, you could see connections to gallup.non.sampo.host (whatever, cannot remember. Clearly different company)

I heard the common answer from user service was "It's probably from some other browser tab..."

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@KimmoK

I'm still on it. Jamiga2, that is. Recently woke up from my hiatus. I try to write in the blog whenever I have something (or nothing) to report.

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@jingof

An excellent, recent book on comparing programming paradigms and there implementations is:

Seven Languages in Seven Weeks: A Pragmatic Guide to Learning Programming Languages by Bruce A. Tate

In this book, the author talks about :
- Ruby
- Io
- Prolog
- Scala
- Erlang
- Clojure
- Haskell
and compares them in terms of paradigms, implementations, language features... He chose on purpose not to include Java but notice that Scala and Clojure need a JVM.

Happy reading!
Tygre

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don't we need wx before wxpython?

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Well we really really need java on the amiga, if its possible to run it on 3.x then it would be even better.

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@thread

Another thing that would be nice is if AmigaOS had an interface descriptor language. It'd be kind of like the FD files for shared libraries but with interface capabilities added in. Windows has COM objects that have a similar functionality. OS4 already has interfaces built into Exec.library so it would be easiest on it but I could backport the missing features to the others once I know how to set it up.

What I'm missing is the way that tells what interfaces contain which methods and which libraries implement which interfaces. Since interfaces never contain any data items, we won't have to worry about C++'s dreaded diamond dependencies with multiple inheritance.

The reason I'm bringing this up in this thread is that the Java runtime library implements a bunch of classes that are pretty static like HashMap.class and so on that would be a welcome addition to any program whether it's written in Java or not.

I've discussed this with ChrisH and he seems interested in adding some of these features to PortablE as well, but has limited time to work on them. I'd started something like this in the past in C for AROS but I need to start over. Does anyone have any experience with IDL on Windows?

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@jaokim

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jaokim wrote: @KimmoK I'm still on it. Jamiga2, that is. Recently woke up from my hiatus. I try to write in the blog whenever I have something (or nothing) to report.

would donations or a bounty speed up development?

I have donated to Jamiga before and by now i thought it would be dead as it must have been 8 years or something now since the project started??

keep us posted! :).

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@tygre

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An excellent, recent book on comparing programming paradigms and there implementations is: Seven Languages in Seven Weeks: A Pragmatic Guide to Learning Programming Languages by Bruce A. Tate

Thanks for the link, I'll check it out. I only know Ruby from this list, though I've heard really good things about Clojure. Clojure seems mostly academic to me, but I haven't checked it out recently. Are you familiar with all these languages? Which ones stand out to you as particularly useful to know, gaining traction quickly, etc?

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@Samurai_Crow

Interface is nothing more than an array of functions pointers; you can send a custom message whit a pointer to your function table to a application using MsgPorts setup.

It most likely a better idea to build a API around tag lists, if you like a hash like approach.

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@cha05e90

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I prefer Python, which is already part of the OS - huge step forward would be an appropiate module to get OS GUIs into play.

Well luckily there's already PyMUI

@Jupp3

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Well luckily there's already PyMUI

Its only on morphos. There is some link on sources here , but 404. I write mail to Yomgui about it some time ago, but have no answer. Maybe you have right link to those last sources ?

@Belxjander
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one is my own

Do you think that working on java, smp & virtual machine are so simply task, that you, who can't buy a HW for years, can do it ? Man ! Be realistic !

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@kas1e

We only do what we can with what we have, so keep being skeptical...

the concepts I am working with are reasonable for how I understand them.

if you wish to continue the personal attacks, my Email has been published... please feel free to do so to my face, otherwise bitbucket them, I'm willing to show the code warts and all along with explain the ideas I am working from ... feel free to criticize or point out where you think the concept is flawed.

I'm certainly open to improvements being applied... up to you as to your own opinions.

@Jupp3
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Well luckily there's already PyMUI

Yes, I know - I alreay played a littlebit with it on MorphOS. It would be nice to have an OS4.1 port...though it uses a newer 3.x version of Python. (And then there is AFAIK Python/GTK in the AmiCygnix package, but of course it needs the heavy Cygnix enviroment to work...).

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@kas1e

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Quote: Well luckily there's already PyMUI Its only on morphos. There is some link on sources here , but 404. I write mail to Yomgui about it some time ago, but have no answer. Maybe you have right link to those last sources ?

Didn't actually check if the links work, but basically I don't see any point in "yet another similar project" started from scratch.

In any case, I guess it's only some temporary problem. I can't see why anyone would post links (broken or not) to source code if the intention wasn't to release as open source.

Well, except maybe what Nokia did with Symbian

@Jupp3

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In any case, I guess it's only some temporary problem. I can't see why anyone would post links (broken or not) to source code if the intention wasn't to release as open source.

Sure , but for last 3-4 months i can't get those sources (tryed few times), and writing a mail to author didn't help too. Maybe you know how i can contact with him ? Maybe some another-working mail, etc (that one which i found was on gmail)

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@jingof

Well, I can't say that I am familiar with all of them but I learned/used Smalltalk, Prolog, and Scheme for a living (not including Java of course! ) and I believe that the author's thesis is sound: more developers are moving away from Java and other general-purpose programming languages to languages that fit better their needs (with "better" capabilities). Reading the book, I was really impressed by Erlang and Scala: they make some impossible things in Java simple!

In particular, it could be very interesting to implement the Erlang VM on AmigaOS because both are "real time"

What about you? How do you like Ruby for production? What would it take to port Ruby's interpreter on AmigaOS?

I believe that the more programming languages are supported by AmigaOS, the more developers will be attracted to it!

Tygre

@tygre

There already is an incomplete port of ruby 1.8.5 (only has miniruby). I tried porting a newer version a while back but I didn't get much further so I didn't bother releasing it. Unfortunately the ruby build system doesn't allow for cross-compiling and it takes ages to run on my µA1-C which kind of ruined my motivation at the time.

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@thread

As a Java Graduate Id gladly see Java on the amiga, Eclipse IDE is a great cross-platform IDE.

I would gladly help an developments with the Java Runtime for AmigaOS.

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