Anyone know if it's possible?

Thanks,
Robert.

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@Robert

http://code.google.com/p/jamiga2/

i made a call for AROS/Amiga/MorphOS bounties to speed up things but got no feedback and later lost my interest.

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@Robert

Anything is possible But porting a beast like Java is quite a challenge. I believe there is at least one person working on it, so fingers crossed...

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@phoenixkonsole

Thanks, I'll take a look.

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@Robert

Where do we need it? I can see reason in web browsers but little else. Are there useful Java mimi-apps we can make use of?

@Hypex

On my PC I use everyday, I don't have Java installed. Strange heh

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Java is still very big and I dont get it when some of you guys says its dying or hardly exists.
I mean, customers give my money to program java. Is it that I made this java thing up in my imagination and a lot of companies give me money for no reason.
Nah.. wake up and smell the coffee. Java exists and ofcourse we should have it for OS4.
Joakim is trying all he can to port it to OS4. Im looking forward to it. :)
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@Skuggan

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Java is still very big and I dont get it when some of you guys says its dying or hardly exists.

Yes - for professional stuff, but for consumer purposes it's nearly non-existent. In contrast to - for example - Flash. I don't have JAVA installed on my Windows Netbook - I never needed it (and yes, OpenOffice doesn't need it as well, despite a lot of people think so). Don't get me wrong: I really appreciate Joakim's efforts! But I wouldn't die if we live on without JAVA...

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@cha05e90

sorry but in many countryes it was used for home banking...
In all countryes you can meeet some site that uses java...
I get some mail with java protected images for copyright reasons...

So...we dont need java?

Maybe we need a lot more things before java, but we need also java...trust me!

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Hypex wrote: @Robert Where do we need it? I can see reason in web browsers but little else. Are there useful Java mimi-apps we can make use of?

It's not so much that I need it, more as something to tinker with.

I don't programme but I've just started learning Java and it would give me an excuse to blow the dust off my Amigas and see if any of them still work.

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@Robert

Yes...

Good candate is

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_Harmony

Apache Portable Runtime is allready ported... ?

@Skuggan

I agree! In fact, my daily job relies on Java...but not the java used for front-end websites :)

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@Skuggan

What do you code in JAVA and how much do you get paid?

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@Hypex

Eclipse.
BluRay.
CableCards.
ThinkFree Office suite.
JPC x86 PC emuator.
J-CAD.
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@Skuggan, @m0lebrain, @thread

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Java is still very big and I dont get it when some of you guys says its dying or hardly exists.

The big disconnect is people on this forum are thinking about desktop and rich client applications. Because in general, that's primarily what the Amiga is about. There are certainly some good development tools, but generally they seem to be catering to the construction of Desktop solutions.

But that is generally not where Java is succeeding. The majority of professional Java is aimed at building web applications using great technologies such as:

Hibernate, Tapestry, JSF, Spring, Eclipse, Tomcat, OSGi, Equinox, DM Server, Spring Dynamic Modules ... the list goes on...

Amiga more recently has a good Apache web server effort (AAMP I believe is the project) on going as I recall. But the effort necessary to go from AAMP to OSGi, Tomcat, Hibernate, Tapestry, JSF get the Java Web Tier on AmigaOS would be prohibitive I think.

I'd love to have the full Java technology stack available on Amiga, but given its priorities as a desktop and end-user OS, I don't see how it is realistic to bridge that gap. Love to be proven wrong though.

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I mean, customers give my money to program java. Is it that I made this java thing up in my imagination and a lot of companies give me money for no reason.

Like you, I've spent years doing professional Java development. And typically, the development cycle is

1) develop on Mac, or PC
2) deploy to production on Linux or Windows Server
3) repeat (via continuous integration like Hudson/Jenkins)

So, it would seem the Amiga could be a suitable alternative developer machine in stage #1. But as previously stated, I think there are too many prerequisites to make that realistic.

On the other hand, have you checked out Ruby?

Ruby is also an outstanding technology stack for building the same type of Web solutions, but takes a radically different approach vs Java..

But what is interesting about Ruby in this context, is I believe the Ruby technology stack could be migrated to AmigaOS with a fraction of the time and effort Java would require. So, I think it would be realistic to obtain an Amiga development machine for Ruby web apps.

Ruby is also a very good, modern language that could pick up where AREX leaves off, with benefits for the desktop and shell as well.

Finally, I was recently at a Ruby conference in Silicon Valley called GoGaRuCo.

What struck me at that conference was, the demand for Ruby developers is through the roof right now.. One company manager told me, he was trying to hire a Ruby expert, only to loose him to Google, because Google offered this person a gigantic sign on bonus. Several managers repeated the same hiring experience: Companies are in such dire need for Ruby developers, that most managers are hiring Java or C# developers and teaching them Ruby. In fact, that is how I originally came into the Ruby marketplace.

To have the Amiga become a premier Ruby environment would be a really great and feasible goal, that I think would benefit the platform and its community.. Just some thoughts I've been kicking around. In fact, I have an X1000 on order, to start working on just this idea... (in the spare time I don't have as one of those rare Ruby experts )

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@Skuggan

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Skuggan wrote: Java is still very big and I dont get it when some of you guys says its dying or hardly exists.

That's because many people either get confused between it and javascript or think of it just in terms of nasty old useless applets inside webpages (which is a minor part of java of course)...
I'd love to have it, at least to be able to have Eclipse on my Miggy... I'd kill to have Eclipse on my Amiga

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@jingof

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But that is generally not where Java is succeeding.

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Ruby is also a very good, modern language that could pick up where AREX leaves off, with benefits for the desktop and shell as well.

I prefer Python, which is already part of the OS - huge step forward would be an appropiate module to get OS GUIs into play.

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@Darth_X

On my free time i developed a Construction Machine simulator (SimX) with Java and Xith3D. For customers I code everything from SMS communication platforms to Electronic lock system for the swedish home care. Besides that I made a web platform for small business that can be expanded in modules. And a ton of other applications.
I take about €50+VAT /hour. With longer contracts maybe €45. When I was employeed they took between €70-€120 per hour for me.
Pretty standard and their is a lot of work for those who are up for it.
Most of my customers know about my passion for Amiga and some of them are old Amiga fans themself.
As a matter of fact. The first job I got was based entierly that I had a background on the Amiga Scene just like they guy that interwied me. Didn't know a thing about Java back then, only 68asm, but they hired me and gave me 2 months to learn it. :)

@Skuggan

Nice!

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@phoenixkonsole

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i made a call for AROS/Amiga/MorphOS bounties to speed up things but got no feedback and later lost my interest.

Hmm ... Plan is to have public beta in 2012 ... Nice!

However, no set end date!

Where is the bounty link? Seems team wants more people more then money

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