@OlafS25

Just go ahead and make the bounty. It could not hurt anything ;)
Good job you are doing with this. We can trust GP soft to release sources if they said so. That will be no problem.

@KimmoK

you can ask directly. The answer was that the code is clean and documented and they came far (OS4-port) and then face some difficulties because Opus gets far into the system. The main reason it failed was because the main programmer dropped because of other reasons (not the project).

@jPV

In another case (a bounty for a driver) the bounty was paid after the code was integrated in Aros SVN. GPSoft wants to release the source not before they get the money.

@OlafS25

But this isn't that kind of case. It's just letting the source free for all and I think it's reasonable to ask money first. Anyway they're a trusted and well known company, so I don't expect any problems from them. And shouldn't you make legally valid contract before the money involvement too?

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@all

final version for bounty:

Description
Open the source of Directory Opus Magellan II (5.82) 68k

Source-code purchase of GPSoftware's Directory Opus Magellan II (5.82) for
free use under APL. The Name "Directory Opus Magellan", a trademark of
GPSoftware, can be used on Amiga (Amiga here is 68k, Aros, MorphOS, AmigaOS)
without further permission. Use of the source or trademarks any other OS is
strictly prohibited except where a separate licence has been negotiated.
Bounty will be paid, then the source will be released and integrated "as is" into the AROS SVN.

Bounty goal: 5200$ (plus Paypal)

@OlafS25

And that APL allows distribution of current and improved versions in compiled binary form?

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@OlafS25

I would have though after purchasing the sources code we would be able to use it on any platform but we would only be able to use the name under "Directory Opus Magellan II" on Amiga an OS (Amiga here is 68k, Aros, MorphOS, AmigaOS)
without further permission.

Otherwise we may have problems with AROS hosted as that arguably runs under Linux, Windows and MacOS, but changing the name allows you to side step that issue while still avoiding any product confusion with Directory Opus for Windows.

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@OlafS25

Quote:

Use of the source or trademarks any other OS is strictly prohibited except where a separate licence has been negotiated.

I really don't like this bit and don't think I could donate to the bounty because of it.

I would prefer something like "Use of the source is limited by the APL Licences agreement and use of trademarks on other OS's is strictly prohibited except where a separate licence has been negotiated."

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@jPV

I have taken this from a Aros-Bounty that purchased the source of a driver

@jPV

I will give all correspondence to power2people. Even if I had a signed contract who would pay the lawsuit in australia. I think either we trust in them or leave it.

@OlafS25

so, is there any real news ?

have GP set up a contract yet?
Length (time) of bounty?

Also, why will it be released into the AROS SVN ???
it should be in a standalone SVN.

make sure to get all details correct before you get the contract signed, later changes might cost money.

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@Dwyloc

i have send the request. But GPSoft does not want competition on Windows where they still sell by their own product. I can understand that. Why this would be a problem for you? It is free for all "Amiga"-platforms and i think that is ok.

@all

I have added to Aros "all flavors including hosted"

@Toaks

as I said I only have the correspondence with the agreements. I do not think that signed contracts would help much and my business english is not good enough to create secure contracts and i do not know australian laws. I would take the risk of the donation because i see no reason not to trust GPSoft.

When somebody else want to make a signed contract with them, do it, I have no problem with it.

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@OlafS25

Quote:

OlafS25 wrote: @Toaks as I said I only have the correspondence with the agreements. I do not think that signed contracts would help much and my business english is not good enough to create secure contracts and i do not know australian laws. I would take the risk of the donation because i see no reason not to trust GPSoft. When somebody else want to make a signed contract with them, do it, I have no problem with it.

Contracts is not only about trust, its just about having it on paper and it being valid.
Also guidelines are a must so that the source doesn't get pulled/restricted.

anyway, you got the wheels turning and thats good!, i am sure amigabounty.net /power2people etc would gladly help out with the formalities etc.

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@Toaks

Quote:

Toaks wrote: @OlafS25 Quote: OlafS25 wrote: @Toaks as I said I only have the correspondence with the agreements. I do not think that signed contracts would help much and my business english is not good enough to create secure contracts and i do not know australian laws. I would take the risk of the donation because i see no reason not to trust GPSoft. When somebody else want to make a signed contract with them, do it, I have no problem with it. Contracts is not only about trust, its just about having it on paper and it being valid. Also guidelines are a must so that the source doesn't get pulled/restricted. anyway, you got the wheels turning and thats good!, i am sure amigabounty.net /power2people etc would gladly help out with the formalities etc.

Indeed! Business relationships are built upon - and function best when there is - goodwill and trust.
Contracts are there to rely upon if the goodwill and/or trust break down.

I would certainly want to ensure that the rights of buyer and seller are clearly spelled out, and the intended uses are explicitly understood by both parties. No-one is expecting to have to rely upon the letter of the contract, but it should clearly state the nature of the agreement without ambiguous terms such as "Amiga" which - let's face it - not even the Amiga community can agree upon.

What about WinUAE? This would essentially allow the use of the 68K opened source on Windows (via emulation).. an area of ambiguity which could lead to unpleasant misunderstandings.

What if AmigaOSx or MorphOS move to x86? Would the compiling of the code on this architecture be allowed (would it be allowed for AROS x86?)? What about Natami?

It may be easier to explicitly list both those areas which are allowed (AmigaOS, AROS, MorphOS, etc) AND to explicitly list those areas which aren't allowed (Windows, OSX?, Linux?) and leave room for future "goodwill negotiation" in any other areas not covered.

Just a few thoughts. Not wanting to muddy the waters, just best to think of these things in advance of signing/paying.

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@Boot_WB

this is the text right now:
Open the source of Directory Opus Magellan II (5.82) 68k

Source-code purchase of GPSoftware's Directory Opus Magellan II (5.82) for
free use under APL. The Name "Directory Opus Magellan", a trademark of
GPSoftware, can be used on Amiga (Amiga here is 68k, Aros (all flavors
including hosted), MorphOS, AmigaOS)
without further permission. Use of the source or trademarks any other OS is
strictly prohibited except where a separate licence has been negotiated.
Bounty will be paid, then the source will be released and available on public SVN page, so developers from all the camps can works on it


Bounty goal: 5200$ (plus Paypal)

If you want something different or think it misses something then post the changed text and not just some words or ideas. It already includes 68k and that is all that is running with 68k (including emulation). That they do not want to be competed on f.e. Windows is understandable.

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@OlafS25

I'll say that the sum you show up here now is much better than the one André and I talked to GP about earlier (last year) so I think this would be possible to achive in a bounty for sure =)

Good work!

@OlafS25

maybe make the source available only for PPC.. the software already works for 68k,
and allowed to make the 68k version work with aros.. then there is no need for x86 code, and GP is happy.. if there gonna be a port for amiga ( x86 if it ever arrives in the future, morph os x86,aros or any other x86 amiga os) it must then have the possible to use the code specific too be used in a amiga environment .

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@OlafS25

Open the source of Directory Opus Magellan II (5.82) 68k

Source-code purchase of GPSoftware's Directory Opus Magellan II (5.82) for
free use under APL. The Name "Directory Opus Magellan", a trademark of
GPSoftware, can be used on Amiga (real hardware or emulated, Amiga here is 68k, Aros (all flavors
including hosted), MorphOS, AmigaOS)
without further permission. Use of the source or trademarks any other OS is
strictly prohibited except where a separate licence has been negotiated.
Bounty will be paid, then the source will be released and available on public SVN page, so developers from all the camps can works on it


Bounty goal: 5200$ (plus Paypal)

forget it. come on the run is over thats 10 years ago....

there will be an new loadwb in amiga os 4.5 and in the mean time, use scaleOS...


way pay for something thats allready to old and used once. open an bounty for a beta vison or a work in progress version of the ned loadwb.iff you pay anuf i think hyperion is intrasted