@wawa
You are excused. :) We are just in the process of figure this "help offer" out and at first glance it might sound childish. But the offer is good, both for them but mostly for us. Before we bring it up with them we will ofcourse make it not sound childish.
Nobody can accuse you of holding back your opinions but I guess its better to get opinions than nothing. Anyway, thanks!

@Olaf25
Since we aimed att all platforms we should perhaps started with Aros. But was Aros that mature then and now to give it to Spotify. Would they have run into the same problems with Aros or MorphOS?
And we need to figure out how to maintain the updates.
One thing is clear, the camps need to cooperate more on issues like this.

@all
When we started this Spotify thing and handed over the machine I read some not amusing things about me and the whole deal on moobunny. The personal attacks hurted but it have healed. But regarding the situation it was way far from the truth.
The only ones that know how the contacts with Spotify went along, and the meeting at their office and later in the bar, is the people that were there.

One thing is clear. Never announce something before it's done. I learned this the hard way and we must in a polite way warn people before they go to far.
On the other hand, we shouldn't stop peoples ambition.

Another thing is: If we never try, we will never know if it works. Success is based on many failings.

@Skuggan

of course you have better overview over the issue than me, who is judging it only from your posts and general common sense, so if you feel like pursuing it then do it by all means. nevertheless id consider a fallback option and perhaps even discuss it here on forum to let your contributors to have their say and make proposals, even if it seems you have their full backup whatever you do. if your initiative wont work out, another worthwhile cause will sure surface.

sorry if i sound harsh at times, im just somehow fed up with that waiting and dreaming notion and am generally in favor of aiming for lesser but achievable goals where people can actually actively contribute to, instead of wasting the time and money on "show off" cases without much practical use.

Its not that Skuggan has a ball he can see in future and decide if a project is a no go. Some projects lead somewhere others dont but if you dont try nothing will happen. It was a good idea as many users wants to have Spotify on their favourite computer. I just feel sorry for the whole thing, and specially Skuggan. How many deverlopers on amiga tried to make some good app/port and never realised or just come half thru to just stop and dont realise the projects or on halt. And if this fails people will still hope for a future spotify port whatever that project is, money based or not.

I dont use Spotify myself but respect to Skuggan for trying and having nerves with amigaworld :)

Last edited by Kicko on 13-Jul-2013 at 10:49 AM.

@skuggan

maybe A-eon can help ?

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I dont use Spotify myself but respect to Skuggan for trying and having nerves with amigaworld :)


I use Spotify regulary and I give all my support and motivation to Skuggan, we need guys like you, in Amigaland everything is little harder but at the same time it's so damn fun (can't stay away)

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@Skuggan

Yes and no. There is one problem less, the "exotic hardware problem". AROS also runs on Linux hosted (aeros could be interesting for them) and there is now the ongoing ARM project (Raspberry, Efika MX), it also runs on Android already. The problem who is doing the port (and for how much) and who is maintaining and doing support for them after the port is the same. Are they willing to give out the sources (after a signed contract) or would it to to have done in their headquarter? Is it possible to outsource the support or must it done inhouse.

@Skuggan

Quote:

When we started this Spotify thing and handed over the machine I read some not amusing things about me and the whole deal on moobunny.

Yes moobunny seems to attract some of the worst people with a really bad attitude anything OS4 related. If you'd not targeted OS4 for this project nobody would have batted an eyelid but because it is OS4 there is suddenly all sorts of aspersions about your intelligence, mental health and sexuality.
I wonder how these people would rate themselves if the could see their behaviour from an outside perspective.
It's funny how 2 letters and 1 number can send otherwise intelligent and rational people into irrational rage and hatred.

I think it is just better to laugh at the absurdity than get upset.

Last edited by Rob on 13-Jul-2013 at 12:09 PM.

@Rob

+1

It is better to ignore moobunny

Everywhere where you can post anonymous people seem to think they can do everything.

Last edited by OlafS25 on 13-Jul-2013 at 12:11 PM.

@Hondo

Quote:

maybe A-eon can help ?

They can't magic up an experienced Amiga coder and I think they give more than enough monetary support.

@wawa
Thanks for the nice words. Are you getting soft? :)

@OlafS25
Well.. our offer to Spotify would be inhouse at their place under their premises. But we need to make sure it not sounds childish as wawa said. Otherwise we will not send it.


For what it's worth we are a couple of developers here in sweden that share code to some extent. Also we are running the different OS'es.
I have a dedicated MorphOS machine and shall register my MorphOS license as soon I get around to finalize my different projects. Waiting for Aros to run natively, in the mean time I just give Bearsoft (Aros) my code. Also StefanB(Morphos) have done some OS4 stuff so we try to help the whole community.
But I shouldn't raise my contribution to all this until I have released som projects. So far only two intros.

@Skuggan

the problem is, you may need, or would be better to offer them something in exchange. what could that possibly be that may motivate them? because even if they allow for such an inhouse freelancer (which idea sounds a little orthodox and dubious to me to tell the truth) then as olaf said it is not enough to make a half assed port. the devil is in detail, as the saying goes, to finalize and debug the port and to maintain it.

@Skuggan

Quote:

For what it's worth we are a couple of developers here in sweden that share code to some extent. Also we are running the different OS'es. I have a dedicated MorphOS machine and shall register my MorphOS license as soon I get around to finalize my different projects. Waiting for Aros to run natively, in the mean time I just give Bearsoft (Aros) my code. Also StefanB(Morphos) have done some OS4 stuff so we try to help the whole community. But I shouldn't raise my contribution to all this until I have released som projects. So far only two intros.

Hmmmmm ... The big problem with this idea is support ... It is the big obstacle ...
Spotify MUST offer support by law , even if every Amiga Spotify user would
choose to sign a statement to never ask for support or take legal action vs
Spotify for the lack of support it would still not be enough ... Spotify can
choose to let some Amiga scene people provide support but they would
still be responsible for it ... And they could never avoid responsibility for
"unexpected" damages that could come from using Spotify Amiga client ...
They also have to think about competition and possibility of a bad publicity
that could come out of this ... So it's support that is probably their biggest
worry here ... Many good things never got released because profit that
would be gained by releasing them wasn't enough to justify the risks ...
If you really want it you must convince them that they would never be
held responsible by any Amiga user for support ... And they would have
to do the coding themselves and maintain that code by themselves
because that is the only way they can be sure what that code is doing ...

Just a little bit of Moobunny constructive criticism ...

@Rob

Quote:

It's funny how 2 letters and 1 number can send otherwise intelligent and rational people into irrational rage and hatred.

I would say you described yourself there pretty well Rob ,
but it could be just my "deviant" opinion ...

@wawa
The idea is to offer them something they benefit from.

@blizz1220
They have developed spotify to many platforms already. Like boxee box which were done during employee hack time.
I can't see why they by law must offer infinite support.

@Skuggan

They could get sued if they don't , law demands it ... It doesn't have to be
infinite but they have to announce that they will drop support for platform
and remove the product from market if there is no more support for it ...

It's support / liability package ...

For example imagine someone using Spotify Amiga client and than with
no reason loosing all songs he paid (I didn't check how it works I'm just
giving blanco examples) ... He could sue them for that if they refuse to
offer support and remedy ...

Other thing not less important is that Spotify client is (probably)
downloading copyrighted material so , again crazy example , some
no-good third party Amiga maintaner makes a version of the client
that steals the songs ... Stupid examples but no big company lets
them go unchecked ...

If you can make them believe that they won't have problems with
liability and support than there is chance for them to do a port ...
If they are not convinced there will be no chance even if they
claim otherwise ...

@blizz1220
I have never heard that this could happen on the other hand i never read to 70+ pages of EULA. Is this in USA only?

@Skuggan

It is different from country to country but the essence is the same ...

USA law tends to be more liberal.In USA when you sign statement
that you won't sue in case of "unexpected" damage in can be valid ...
In most euro countries it contradicts the law so it is almost always
invalid clause that makes no legal difference ...

Since you can download from anywhere they probably have to go
by stricter laws ...

Example of "unexpected" damage would be if the Spotify client
would trash your hard drive making it useless ...

@Skuggan

I think it's safe to disregard anything posted by blizz1220.

@blizz1220

Got a picture of that IBM G4 and the separate Altivec module yet?

@Rob

No you were right there , answer is on the Moo ...

You have answer on the other questions there too ...

Make sure you read the ending

Last edited by blizz1220 on 13-Jul-2013 at 08:42 PM.

@Skuggan

Terms and conditions are here, Spotify know perfectly well what they are obliged to do, if in doubt go to the source.

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