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Re: Gay Civil Marriage In UK at a cost of 3.7 million Updated - you can sign petition after reading, if you want!
Posted on 16-Sep-2012 13:13:02
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@Nimrod

When you say "we" you of course mean England. The body in which I'm currently residing is of course a Scottish cow. Prior to 1707, Scotland was in independent country which fought off the Romans, English. Vikings, English, English, English and Maggie Thatcher.

Rather ironically, the first joint king of both Scotland and England was a Scots king King James VI (The 1st of England). While this itself did not lead to the joining of our nations, it lead to the first serious attempts at an act of union, so in a way, England was conquered by Scotland too.


Of course while Scotland was never conquered by anyone, the country and the people it replaced (the Picts) most certainly were. As with most things, it was the bloody Irish that caused all that trouble.


Regarding education in Scotland, we learned more about Britain as a whole than the equivalent schools in England. While English schools mostly focused, as you said, on English history, in Scotland we were given education on the early conquests of the Americas (But bizarrely, not anything about Scotland's attempts), the Jacobite history involving Catholic Europe, including it's climax at the Battle of Culloden, the Highland clearances including the forced migrations to the new worlds as well. As well as all the standard Fire of London (including Samuel Pepys buried cheese), Plague, 1066, War of the Roses, Cromwell, Both World Wars, Mary getting her head chopped off, and a whole bunch of other stuff that I've long forgotton about wars, royalty, pies being burned, spiders in caves, etc.

With 2000 years of history in Britian, there is more than enough to go round without looking outwards. But sadly, it's the looking outward which is the most important stuff. Like our imperial conquests, genocides, religious crusades, etc. It is these very subjects which affect our foreign policy today (and which the USA is currently emulating).

Stuff like it's our fault the Middle East is in the mess it is because it was us that divided populations of people into the mess of countries that exists today. Spliting up Shia and Sunni Muslim nations, forcing them to live together to prevent a single unified nation, the creation of Israel, which if not for the guilt after Nazi atrocities would never have existed. The Kurds being deprived a state of their own. If you wonder why people in that part of the world hate the West so much, just look at the UK.

And they say Britain doesn't have power on the world stage anymore.

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Besides, it was `scientists` not `liberals` - they`re not the same thing you know harhar what a tool.


That's why I said paraphrased! i.e. "the restatement of the meaning of a text or passage using other words."

I have used it to demonstrate liberals' obsessive need to social engineer and destroy marriage culture (rather than genetically engineer as is the case with the Jurassic Park dinosaurs ) with very little understanding of the effects it will have on our society.

All liberals keep barking is "equality, equality, equality" like some malfunctioning Tony Blair droid without for a second assessing whether Civil Partnerships already grant equal rights and more importantly whether granting same-sex marriage undermines the very meaning and point of marriage as an important cornerstone of society!

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I'm getting a bit sick of the weekly dose of LGBT sentiment in the BBC's flagship family entertainment show Doctor Who every week. This week's was hardly a classic in forwarding the acceptance of these dangerous liberal world views but it's present non the less.

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Doctor: ”Can I borrow your horse please. It’s official Marshall business.”

Preacher: ”He’s called Joshua. It’s from the bible it means ‘the deliver’.”

Doctor: ”No it isn’t.”

Preacher: ”What? “

Doctor: ”I speak horse. He’s called Susan and he wants you to respect his life choices.”


And a better translation of Joshua is the “The Lord saves”.

Cut the LGBT rubbish and stick to the story BBC. This is happening every week. Is this supposed to be subtle subliminal influencing in order that we accept these weird family units and life choices as normal?! What's this got to do with family entertainment? There's one of these throw away pro-LGBT comments or scenes in every episode.

Episode 1 Asylum of the Daleks;

A female character Oswin utters;

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“Actually, she was called Nina. I was going through a phase.”


Trying to normalise casual same-sex experimentation?!

Episode 2 Dinosaurs on a Spaceship

Was it really necessary for Matt Smith to kiss Rory on the lips?

The list will almost undoubtedly continue as the series rolls on. What is Steven Moffat's (the writer) problem? I do not think parents should be faced with having to explain why the Doctor has just kissed his male friend Rory on the lips or why a female character once dated a girl called Nina!

This is a family show not the BBC's opportunity to force it's own biased world view on the rest of us!

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@BigD

really? picking on the current doctor? maybe you need to rewatch chris and david's version of the doctor.

i guess the jokes go over your head.

if you were comfortable with your faith this wouldn't bother you. Really what is the point of "to seek and to save" if you want to regulate people's sins who are NOT christian? Btw some Christians overlook this sin anyway just like the sin to eat shellfish and pig is overlooked in general.

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Was it really necessary for Matt Smith to kiss Rory on the lips?


You see homosexuality everywhere. That was a joke, nothing to do with gays or the doctor having an attraction to Rory.

What about Catholics eating wafers and drinking wine? If that's not homo erotica then what is?

D, you are such a lush. Why don't you just come out of your closet. It's so obvious that you have a fascination with gay sex that it colours your every view on the world.



Oh yeah, every Sunday, BBC one shows Songs of Praise. Does that mean it has a religious agenda as well? It must do. Doctor Who is only on a few times a year, Songs of Praise is on every Sunday. Clearly the BBC has a bias towards Christianity.

Or are you just talking shit again? Yep, you're just talking shit. As normal. Desperate shit as it happens. I mean, now you are bringing Doctor Who into it? Really? I mean, really?

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All liberals keep barking is "equality, equality, equality" like some malfunctioning Tony Blair droid ...

Tony Blair pro-Christian VS Hitchesn pro-atheism

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What about Catholics eating wafers and drinking wine? If that's not home erotica then what is?

"Christianity is the best way to cure gayness. Just get on your knees, take a swig of wine and accept the body of a man into your mouth.” -Stephen Colbert

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@SpaceDruid

Indeed. I think BigD has difficulty suppressing the urging sensation in his trousers at the mere mention of homosexual feelings.

I bet his online porn collection is interesting...

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I have used it to demonstrate liberals' obsessive need to social engineer and destroy marriage culture
Correction, you have used a misquote from the wrong film in order to repeat an unfounded allegation. You still haven't provided any evidence that there is a "liberal plot" to destroy marriage.

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with very little understanding of the effects it will have on our society.
What, like spreading tolerance, understanding, and perhaps even a little compassion. I can see where you would find that to be totally intolerable, since it goes so strongly against your nature.

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All liberals keep barking is "equality, equality, equality" like some malfunctioning Tony Blair droid
Tony B Liar is not a liberal. His closest (only?) friend, George Dubya thinks that "Liberal" is the vilest, most obscene swear word imaginable. Between them they conspired to sell a tissue of lies as justification for an illegal invasion of a sovereign state simply because "God said it was OK" This is not the action of a liberal, but is instead the attitude that led to the genocide of the crusades, and I for one find it typical that a religious fundamentalist who wraps himself up in his own self righteousness finds the concept of equality abhorrent. Most of the bloodiest parts of the history of this country referred to by myself and SpaceDruid came about as a result of religious fervour, and the same can be shown for the history of most countries.

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without for a second assessing whether Civil Partnerships already grant equal rights
I will admit that before this thread started, the matter had never crossed my mind. Once tha matter had been bought to my attention, I looked closely at all considerations before deciding that while some of the mouthpieces for stonewall are obnoxious little twerps that I could cheerfully kick in the fork, they are shining examples of civility compared to the pressure group who are seeking to marginalise and demonise the community for whom stonewall are the self appointed representatives.

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Tony B Liar is not a liberal.


Yes he is. He introduced the 'Religious Hatred Bill' which would have all but outlawed street preaching on British streets were not to a last ditch 'free speech' amendment which was only passed because he decided there was a clear majority and he didn't need to show up to vote it through!

He also supported keeping the abortion limit at its current 24 week limit rather than reducing it as he first stipulated he would. He also refused to reduce restrictions on Christian radio stations.

He might claim to be a Christian (or Catholic now ) but his actions speak louder than words. His whole lap dog routine with George Bush didn't wash either. It was George Bush that made the decisions on Iraq and Afghanistan and Tony Blair just stalled things by suggesting he might want to talk to the UN first! What a waste of time that was! Nice one Tony, attempt to destroy Christian freedoms, lie about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and then make a big deal about your 'religion' when you've left office! 'What would Jesus Do?' = Not that!

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3 parent babies . Techniques are available to improve the outcome of births of people with genetic abnormalites.

And in related news BigD gets a bit more buthurt.

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@BigD

Bliar has talked at great length and detail about his religious views and I don't see how you can make the claim "his actions speak louder than words" when your actions on this thread have shown you to be as Christian as Richard Dawkins.

"Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone" mean anything to you?


Well it's not Bliar in charge now, it's David Cameron. As well as gay marriage, he's also backing the slaughter of 70% of the badger population to control the spread of Tuberculosis. By killing millions of them TB "could be slowed slightly".

So much for your claim he's a liberal. He's far more like you than you realise. Killing things to make the problem go away is as effective as pretending gays don't really exist (it's just sinful perverts who've chosen their "lifestyle") so that you don't have to deal with them (or perhaps yourself).

Science backs up homosexuality not being a choice as has been pointed out to you many times. What is a choice however, is the choice to be a bigot (or a repressed homosexual) which you have shown time and time again.

Stop hiding behind religion. You have chosen to have the views you have, no Church has forced them on you. You've sinned many times in this thread, so you are no better or worse than biblical accounts of the homosexual acts you so readily latch on to in your mind, for you to look down on them is to judge them.

And you know your God really hates people that do that. Far more than he hates gays. The punishment for gays he left up to humans, but people claiming to speak for him? If he's real, he's going to get all Old Testament on your ass.


And you've not talked about Cliff Richard opposing your view yet. Are you ready to make your claim that he isn't a true Christian yet? You've done that to everyone else, so why not Cliff?

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@BrianK

Why don't we as a society concentrate on the simple things instead of trying to make the world more like the one in George Orwell's '1984', Aldous Huxley's 'Brave New World' or Jean-Pierre Jeunet's/Joss Whedon's Alien: Resurrection?

1) How about striving for true equality? Giving MOST children the chance to be brought up by a mother AND a father (preferably their biological ones).

2) How about we continue pushing for excellence in our world renowned palliative care for long term sufferers, thereby giving people dignity and quality of life.

3) Valuing every human whether they're born with genetic disease or not. Messing with human DNA as if we are lab rats will lead to more abnormalities, side effects and defects whatever Michael J Fox or HFEA would have you believe.

Common sense is what we need not rampant biological scientists wanted their chance at the Nobel Peace Prize despite the moral ambiguities of what they're doing!

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@BigD

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Why don't we blah blah blah, words words words


I refer you to the last 1000 posts where we discussed this.


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And what have "rampant biological scientists" got to do with homosexual marriage? Or are you thinking about a Doctor Who episode again?

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Science backs up homosexuality not being a choice as has been pointed out to you many times.


Absolute rubbish. Your claims are about as scientific as biased unprovable Stonewall propaganda! There is no proof that homosexuality is genetic and a lot more evidence that broken families and a lack of a father/strong male role model has more effect on an individual experimenting in same-sex activities or joining in with a homosexual lifestyle.

There are probably individuals that are more prone to homosexual feelings but they are capable of refuting them and can refuse to act on them if they so wish. The benefits of the homosexual lifestyle are non-existent (low life expectancy, high suicide rates, high Aids/STD rates) why would you expect people not to cease this activity if it's not doing them any good? I fail to see how the liberal elite telling them to embrace this life choice is in their best interests in the long run.

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Absolute rubbish. Your claims are about as scientific as biased unprovable Stonewall propaganda!


I refer you to the last 1000 posts. Many examples, both scientific and biological have been given. That you choose to put your fingers in your ears (or is that eyes?) and ignore them doesn't make them go away.

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I fail to see how the liberal elite telling them to embrace this life choice is in their best interests in the long run.


Liberal elite? Fascinating. So it's not just your average person thinking homosexuality is acceptable in this day an age, it's also the elite?

Is Sir Cliff part of this elite?

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While we are waiting on the elite liberal status of Sir Cliff Richard, I've just donated some cash to the Kickstarter project Project Eternity. I've made sufficient a donation for me to design a character.

Shall I go for the relaxed, easy come, easy go druid character (Bob Fluffypants) who helps the player, or should I go down the fanatical ranting hate warmongering nasty bastard priest character route (Duncan, the big)?

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Why don't we as a society concentrate on the simple things
Because if there's a way to make money someone will figure it out. Humans (for good and bad) are creative in that way.

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1) How about striving for true equality?
I think because what equality means to me is not what equality means to you. And likely what equality means to Joe Blow is something even different. "Seperate but equal" is not equal in previous US law or in what I see. You believe 'Seperate but equal' is equal. There's quite a difference there.

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Giving MOST children the chance to be brought up by a mother AND a father (preferably their biological ones).
Children aren't brought up by a mother AND a father primarily due to divorce. And just because they are their biological parents doesn't matter. There are some people that are incapable of raising a kid. As a result we see kids that are abused (physically or sexually) or even worse neglected.

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2) How about we continue pushing for excellence in our world renowned palliative care for long term sufferers
Perhaps you should look to the USA? Hospice and Palliative are one in the same. There isn't the division that there is in Europe on those two items.

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3) Valuing every human whether they're born with genetic disease or not. Messing with human DNA as if we are lab rats will lead to more abnormalities, side effects and defects whatever Michael J Fox or HFEA would have you believe.
With every new solution comes a new problem. Messing with genetics has been something humans have been doing for eons - selective plant breeding is an easy example.

Real world life -- my good friend and past college roommate has realized his death sentence. At 43 he's been diagnosied with Amyotrophic lateral sclerosis. Today there are 4 known genes in familial ALS. Would it be better to give him pallitive care for the next couple years till he dies? Or to fix the genes so he has less pain, more movement, and can live a fuller life? I'd choose the later hands down. (Oh he's a gay where both he and his partner have been exclusive for 15 years. Not that it matters one iota for this disease.)

As I see we differ in the meaning of equality I think we differ in how to 'value every human'. If it's within our ability to improve the condition of life for someone do we not have a responsibility to our fellow men that when in time of need and they ask for a shirt that we give them our coat as well? So why give them the pallitave shirt when the fixed shirt and coat of removing the genetic condition is within our reach? If I were faithful I'd believe that God allowed us to discover knowledge of the gene so we may improve those who are born lesser and into more suffereing.

Jesus didn't say there's a limit to being your brother's keeper. When I read the new Testament again and again Jesus said our primary responsibility is to love our fellow man with all our hearts, our soul, and our minds. This loving is care of others. If our minds can remove their suffering all together (assuming the person would like us to) then we should do it.

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He might claim to be a Christian (or Catholic now ) but his actions speak louder than words
Indeed they do! He acted in concert with a two thousand year tradition of christian deceit, double dealing and aggression, when he lied to parliament about the WMD to support a religious fundamentalists war of "shock and awe" against a population that had done nothing to warrant such an attack. You claim that this was not an example of christian behaviour but I dispute this statement. Just look at the history that I have frequently quoted. It is all true, and since actions speak louder than words it is the truest definition of what christianity really means. And you in true christian fashion are demandingthe right to continue oppressing anybody who is not part of your exclusive little circle, while claiming to be the victims of oppression every time your twisted little plans are thwarted.


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He also refused to reduce restrictions on Christian radio stations.
I can best respond to this claim of persecution by posting up another couple of extracts from the Huffington Post article by Rev. Emily C. Heath.
7. My religious liberty is at risk because:
A) My religious group is not allowed equal protection under the establishment clause.
B) My religious group is not allowed to use public funds, buildings and resources as we would like, for whatever purposes we might like.

8. My religious liberty is at risk because:
A) Another religious group has been declared the official faith of my country.
B) My own religious group is not given status as the official faith of my country.

Christianity is the officially enforced religion of this country despite the fact that christians are a dwindling minority of the population, and offensive ones such as yourself are very much a minority within the minority. Despite this there is a guaranteed broadcast slot on national television for christians that is denied to Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs, Zoroastrians etc. and yet, once again you have the temerity to claim that you are persecuted because you are not given unlimited power and authority to totally dominate any and all expression of belief. You talk about "true equality" while demanding privilege, and there is a word for that. The word is hypocrisy.

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Re: Gay Civil Marriage In UK at a cost of 3.7 million Updated - you can sign petition after reading, if you want!
Posted on 17-Sep-2012 21:41:54
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Despite this there is a guaranteed broadcast slot on national television for christians that is denied to Muslims, Hindus, Sikhs, Zoroastrians etc. and yet, once again you have the temerity to claim that you are persecuted because you are not given unlimited power and authority to totally dominate any and all expression of belief. You talk about "true equality" while demanding privilege, and there is a word for that. The word is hypocrisy.


If you are talking about 'Songs of Praise' again I think that you've completely lost the plot. The BBC succeeded a long time ago in making it into a non-offensive pseudo-spirtual affair with very little scripture or many of Jesus' teachings incorporated. Lip service is paid to Rowan Williams and other high standing Bishops etc, but very little true Christian teaching is allowed to leave the editing suite. The BBC liberal focus is very much alive and well and perfectly able to limit both the quality and blunt the Gospel message to suite its liberal agenda. Cliff Richard is still held up as a Christian role model despite his un-Biblical views on Same-Sex marriage and no doubt they wouldn't give a second thought to Jonathan Edwards (ex-triple jumper) presenting the show again if he wanted to despite him being a lapsed Christian of many years.

The fact that there is no FM slot given to a Christian radio station in a Christian nation is scandalous and a far bigger deal than a wooly 'hymn centred' show that talks about spiritual feelings!

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