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Re: Gay Civil Marriage In UK at a cost of 3.7 million Updated - you can sign petition after reading, if you want!
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It is clear that Lillian Ladele could have been accommodated as I'm sure an Islamic employee would have been. It is not the law to force people to act against their conscience. Doctors don't have to administer abortion killings and neither should registrars be forced to preside over Civil Partnerships!


ok let me clear this up with an example.

companies try to foster good relationships with people so tell me the answer to this.

a man walks up to the counter of the local supermarket with a load of groceries.
the cashier tells him this is a women only line because she believes men are an abomination. she also believes large women are lazy good for nothings and does not hesitate to share that opinion with the overweight customers.

How long will this cashier still have a job?

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t wasn't for the passion we have to explore the wonder of God's creation and the reverence and respect most American's still hold for God, I doubt the USA would ever have traveled to the moon or developed the Space Shuttle.
You're incorrect on a couple of points here. First, is while individuals may have set out to explore God's creation their neighbor set out to explore Brahma's creation and yet another co-worker set out to explore existence and evidence outside our planet having nothing to do with belief in a diety whatsoever. Second, the space program was as much about weapons and the nuclear missle race as it was about space. Much of what happened in NASA was to one up the Russians. Third, cleary Russia was not thinking of 'God's creation' nor is China today. Last, if it's wonder of God's creation itself at work here it's amazing that Rome, whose primary focus is that wonder of God, was incapable of doing this. Certainly Rome's focus on that point should be even higher as they didn't deal with co-workers that hold incongruent views in that nature.

Nice picture. Though we can replace those dieties with the names of other dieties and the image works just as well. Whereas the space shuttle picture we can't pray for any diety and make that work.


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Spiked: In the courts, equality trumps tolerance
Interesting article. Though I think this is but a subset of issues. We have the actions of the State. Which are to be carried out by the Supervisors working for the State. Who in turn are to ensure they are carried out by the employees working for the State. Who all in turn make sure those laws and regulations are applied for the citizens. In the case of the worker that made the decision to not do her job it's simply right to sack her. She created hardships on citizens, her fellow employees, her boss, all because she chose to not follow the law herself. I think most of us will agree that if she can't do the job she shouldn't have the job. Her job was to carry out the law of the land which includes civil unions.

Imagine the other side. The government passes a law that says X. So to skirt that law the Supervisors decide they'll only hire people who disagree with X and won't carry it out. As such the law never gets applied. What resulted here is a subset of people that don't make the laws of/by/and for the people end up deciding what the laws should be. What results is a negation of the value of the politicans you vote for and really the power ends up residing in the workers. That makes no sense whatsoever for a government. Circiling back this is why it's wrong for an employee to take the law into their own hands and be judge, jury, and executioner.

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You haven't fully come to terms with the fact that homosexual marriage is NOT a human right yet have you? Get over it
. Slaves were seen as wrong and human rights extended to cover them. Degrading woman were seen as wrong and human rights extended to cover them. So what 'human rights' means has indeed changed through the era. Yup societies grow up and realize that we're all better when we improve the conditions of the least among us. Supposedly, some guy was nailed to a tree for saying that.

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That's your opinion but hey your not a qualified barrister are you?
No I am not a barrister. If I were, then I too could get paid a couple of thousand an hour to pretend that the sun rises from the rearmost bobily orifice of a paying client, while implying that it is illegal, immoral, and incomprehensible that anybody should be able to think ill of the person paying my bills. The fact remains that Ladele considered herself superior to her fellow workers since they had to cover for her unwillingness to perform her full duties as specified in her contract of employment. Would you feel so supportive of peoples right to pick and choose if a homosexual registrar refused to marry heterosexual couples? As to the ones who wanted to ignore the dress code, they were aware that the dress code at the time allowed no visible badges or jewelry, but felt that the rules didn't apply to them. Now that BA allows the visible religious symbol of the cross, how long will it be before christian pressure groups complain because somebody is allowed to wear a pentagram?

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You haven't fully come to terms with the fact that homosexual marriage is NOT a human right yet have you?
I am fully aware that it is not a human right yet but it soon will be, and that is the part that you cannot accept. It will however become a human right so get over it.

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No one wants this change
if this is the case, why are there several polls showing the majority to be happy with the proposed changes. Why are some religious groups already preparing to embrace the forthcoming changes. It is only a small minded group of bigots who are conflating support for equal rights into opposition to marriage.

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give them an inch and they'll lock up all the Christians, abort all our babies, euthanise our pensioners
Your pathetic attempt to demonise anybody who fails to blindly follow your ignorant prejudices are frankly pathetic. Next you will be trying to convince us that they eat babies and practice human sacrifice. The only groups who have a proven track record of persistent atrocities are religions. If you want to get a good person to behave in an evil way, simply claim that it is gods will.

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That and lie as to whether they think people who are pro-marriage are bigots or not!
And again you falsely conflate opposing equality with being pro marriage, and opposing the continuation of bias and prejudice as anti-marriage. The bigots are those that use teachings of tolerance to support and justify intolerance,teachings of respect to support and justify contempt, and teachings of equality to support and justify privilege. I and many others here are pro marriage, and have no difficulties with the concept of widening its scope to become the voluntary union of two people

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@Thread

I've just found a video of, I think BigD's Islamic black cousin.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=84f_1348578518

This is what BigD does when he's not posting, though obviously it's the Christian version he does and he stands outside gay bars...

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That's the easiest game of "Spot The Loony" I've ever played...

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BTW. Why do Christians limit the all powerful, all seeing entity to a male gender ?


The Bible itself references God as a he/him/his. The names of god, Yahweh, Shaddai, Elohim (and more) are again all male names. The Bible empowers the men and plays down the women.


Exactly, the same as everything else in their narrow minded views, because the Bible says so and they blindly follow.

Of course an all powerful, all knowing entity would not be limited to a particular gender, so the question of why Christians arrogantly force a gender on their god is still not answered.

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God made us apart from the other 'animals' to do amazing things like reach out into space for the good of humanity and inspire future generations. These endeavours don't make us bigger than God though. We explore creation but we can't create it ourselves. Food for thought.


I have some news for you mate. This God you keep on going on about doesn't really exist, he is just a figment of your imagination.

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THIS covers the issue concisely.


Hmmm, Christian propanganda, hardly an unbiased article.

Clegg is right though, these Christian morons are bigots.

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Clegg is right though, these Christian morons are bigots.


So you use 'Equality' and liberal ideology to justify destroying marriage and then show your true intolerance of people who are pro-marriage. A bit hypocritical don't you think?

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And we can all see why you erroneously equate this to the US Civil Rights movement.

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On 13th October 1970, the UK branch of the iconic, and iconoclastic, Gay Liberation Front (GLF) was founded at LSE, when LSE student Bob Mellors returned from a summer immersed in the Gay Rights movement in the US. LSE’s crammed campus became the crucible for the translation of the Gay Rights movement from its original framework of the US Civil Rights movement to one more resonant and powerful in the UK context.


Nice strategy but you can't compare a life choice with a skin colour!

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So you use 'Equality' and liberal ideology to justify destroying marriage


You still haven't shown how allowing two people of the same sex to marry will destroy marriage.


When I saw the video of that woman shouting the same thing over and over and over and over, I immediately thought of you. That's what you are doing in this thread. You are in a world of your own, oblivious to your own madness.

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Nice strategy but you can't compare a life choice with a skin colour!
First a 'life choice' is you bearing false witness. Second, no one is comparing same-sex relations with blacks. Instead we are comparing the hatred of something you have no control over and should not be of your concern of to something you have no control over and should be not of your concern. The historical record for gays isn't much different than any other minority in society. The majority has historically teamed up to judge someone different as someone worthless. It's through the bigoted biases, which you represent, that minority view points are deemed unworthy, are removed rights, and have been excused as ok to kill. You my friend do not follow Christ's calling to be your brother's keeper.

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First a 'life choice' is you bearing false witness. Second, no one is comparing same-sex relations with blacks. Instead we are comparing the hatred of something you have no control over and should not be of your concern of to something you have no control over and should be not of your concern


Marriage is of no concern to homosexuals as it doesn't apply to them unless they refute those homosexual feelings and fall in love with soneone of the opposite sex in which case it could apply (equality exists both in that option and the option to have a Civil Partnership if they'd prefer). The only hatred here is the hatred liberals have for the special place marriage has in our culture. Ed Milliband has never valued marriage and has only recently got married himslef to long term partner Justine Thornton. Link HERE

It is no surprise to see him supporting the redefinition and hence destruction of marriage in the UK;

Ed Milliband is Out4Marriage because he simply doesn't care about marriage itself!

Our politicians should get a clue and start listening to the people rather than the liberal media organisations (that includes the BBC last week Dr Who was the first episode out of the first 4 without a LGBT reference ).

The redefinition will remove all mention of mother and father from birth certificates as demonstrated by proposals in France;

Telegraph: France sets out to delete mother & father from official documents

It will also destroy 'marriage culture' and increase the trend of children being brought up in single parent families or being deprived of ever knowing a biological parent. It will turn marriage from a child centred institution to one primarily concerned with the concerns of adults.

Let's not even consider the next logical step if this redefinition goes ahead; the legalisation of polygamous marriages;

The Guardian: Canada's Law on Monogamy vs Polygamy & the hypocracy compared to Same-Sex Marriage

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Marriage is of no concern to homosexuals as it doesn't apply to them unless they refute those homosexual feelings and fall in love with soneone of the opposite sex in which case it could apply
Yup that's the way the law is currently written and what WILL be changed. Instead of discriminating against the same-sex minority in our society they will receive equal treatment and everyone will then be able to fall in love and marry whatever person they choose.

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Ed Milliband has never valued marriage
Reading the law and not finding where Eddie gets to set the concerns of marriage for anyone? It's of no importance that 1 person doesn't believe this. There never is 100% agreement on anything. Nor does society mandate perfect agreement to enact a law.

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The redefinition will remove all mention of mother and father from birth certificates
It doesn't have to. Change it to __________ mother/father. Then the person writes in their name on the blank and circles their parental relationship. There clearly are ways to handle the use of mother and father. I demonstrated one and I can think of others.

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It will also destroy 'marriage culture' and increase the trend of children being brought up in single parent families
In our societies people can get pregnant without being married. And if married can get divorced. About 1/2 the kids are being brought up with 1 parent. Increasing the ability for more people to marry won't have any effect here. If this is your concern you have to out law divorce and write a new law that mandates pregnant women must be married. In case you're looking for laws in the world that would fix the trend of single parent families you may want to look at Sharia law. They do a fairly good job of destroying the single parent family.

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It will turn marriage from a child centred institution to one primarily concerned with the concerns of adults.
Marriage is an adult concerned institution. You, yourself, have posted the laws of the UK concerning Marriage. NONE of them you posted say anything whatsoever about children. NONE!

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Let's not even consider the next logical step if this redefinition goes ahead; the legalisation of polygamous marriages
If you're concerned about single parent families what could be better odds than having multiple sets of parents? Then if one divorces you have two, or more, parents left over. Certainly this seemed good for the Old Testament under God - many Jews were listed with many wives. You don't wanna change the definition of marriage right??

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Then if one divorces you have two, or more, parents left over. Certainly this seemed good for the Old Testament under God - many Jews were listed with many wives. You don't wanna change the definition of marriage right??


I really don't think you want to encourage the break up of marriages, they should be encourages and supported through free marriage counselling services (with the aim of keeping the couple together not spitting them up as per mediation) and in the tax system. People took more than one wife in the old testiment in spite of God's commands not because of them. Israel was greatly weakened at numerous times in its history because the men took foreign wives and started worshiping their false gods. Hedging our bets with multiple wives ect is not the solution. Trying to encourage families to stick together so that children are brought up with their biological parents if at all possible should be a primary concern to both the UK and the US.

It is clear you do not value your country's Christian heritage. May be one day you'll understand all the hard one freedoms you enjoy because of your Christian forefathers and their loyalty to God and duty to their fellow man. Maybe if you'd have had more Christians in your society like William Wilberforce & Granville Sharp you would have had less problems with racial segregation too!

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I really don't think you want to encourage the break up of marriages
Of course not. But, playing a bit of Devil's Advocate there on your thought about multiple people marriages. It is indeed a past historical fact that marriages were multipartner. Often 1 man to many women.

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People took more than one wife in the old testiment in spite of God's commands not because of them
Not true. God didn't disallow multiple marriages. That came about around 1K AD.

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Trying to encourage families to stick together so that children are brought up with their biological parents if at all possible should be a primary concern to both the UK and the US.
I've seen enough troubled kids to know that biological parents don't hold any special regard. It takes something special to raise a kid. That special thing is not the same thing needed to make a kid. Fairly bad design. IMO this fact points to an lack-of-intelligence in the design.

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May be one day you'll understand all the hard one freedoms you enjoy because of your Christian forefathers and their loyalty to God and duty to their fellow man.
The US was settled essentially by what we'd consider Christian Cults. Often they left Europe due to persecution of European Christiandom. They came here and started up their own persecutions. However, the Founding Fathers such as James Madison, Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin owe their points of view to the era of Englightenment not from Christianity. They were wise enough to put up a wall of seperation between the Church and the State. They looked over to the mess in Europe and wanted to not have religious control of a nation, they saw the bad.

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Maybe if you'd have had more Christians in your society like
If God's at work in all things then we have the Christians he decided we should have. Again a farily ignorant design.

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If God's at work in all things then we have the Christians he decided we should have. Again a farily ignorant design.


The point is Granville Sharp, a Christian in the UK made sure black people never became second class citizens post-slavery whereas no similar Christian figure made that stand in the US and the segregation problems stretched on into the 1960's. The message is clear. If Christians stand up for injustice where they see it, a lot of suffering is spared the society in which they live. By seeking to protect 'marriage' Christians seek to protect millions of children vulnerable to abuse and emotional damage in a heartless and increasing adult focused world. Marriage is the best institution to give children the best start in life and two blokes or two women depriving the children of a mother or father is INEQUALITY at work motivated by selfishness on the part of the homosexual couple themselves. Even Elton John can see it, why can't you?

The Daily Mail: It will break my son Zachary's heart the day he realises he hasn't got a mother!

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BigD wrote: a big pile of steaming waffle


This entire post is you, like the crazy woman in the video, shouting out the same thing over and over. Oblivious.

There is no point in breaking your post down and answering each point. Each point has already been answered, many times. You repeating them ad nauseum doesn't make them any more valid than all the other times you've claimed them to be.

Destruction of marriage? You've never shown a single time how this would lead to the destruction of marriage. You insist on posting links without understanding the meaning of the message being written, or by failing to grasp an opinion piece is just that. You've also not responded once to the many times people have pointed out that the Bible's versions of marriage are not the same as the one you are so keen to "defend"

Try offering something new? Or just shutting up? This endless repetition might work in your mind, but it doesn't work here. You were wrong when you made your claims in the first page of this thread, you are no less wrong now just because you've repeated them for 58 pages.

I'm beginning to change my mind about you. I thought you had an emotional or mental illness (which you may still very well have), but the other thing that comes to mind is maybe you are just really dumb. Maybe you are just simply unable, rather than unwilling, to comprehend what you are claiming is so clearly wrong, morally and factually.

Your religious views are self contradictory, you claim the Earth is 6000 years old and offer a page on carbon dating which brought up there maybe errors in the calculation of the tune of millions of years, thereby showing the Earth must be many millions of years old for that discrepancy to have any meaning. The evidence you tried to present as being on your side, wasn't.

You claim to be a scientists and then fail at the first hurdle when trying to comprehend the scientific process.

You claim God made man in his image, well what image did he make man in? Black? White? If we are descended from Adam, then how did we become different colours? And in 6000 years? And why does God have the remains of a tail and an appendix (as well as 60% of the same DNA as a cabbage)?

We know what people in various parts of the world looked like at various times, because most of them were kind enough to have statues or paintings of themselves. Some even dated them so we have an exacting time period which proves the 6000 year old Earth and Adam and Eve are just plain wrong.

You claim to follow the word of God, yet ignore his requests that you don't make judgements in his behalf, you ignore his orders for you to kill all of us in this thread that don't worship him and you ignore Jesus message of love and tolerance.

Anyone religious that disagrees with you is at fault, not you. Even when the person is one of the worlds greatest experts, that understands more about the subject and can read the Bible is all languages it's ever been written in and in all time periods where copies still exist.
Yet you know better.

For Christ's Sake D, I'm closer to Christian values than you are.


BigD, I don't think I've come across a person with as little understanding of the world since my first baby was born. It must be a really scary place for you, no wonder you hide behind your masks and seek protection from your imaginary friend.

Try actually listening to people that correct you. You might begin to realise the scary science stuff isn't nearly as difficult to understand as you might think. You might comprehend that all your claims about homosexuality being a choice because people have "cured" it are false. Who says so? The people who's failed experiments you quoted say so.

So it boils down to this. Either you are heterosexual and therefore have no understanding of what being gay means and therefore are in no fit place to make claims about gay choice, or you are homosexual and you are trying to hide this from yourself and your God by burying it so deep all you can do is lash out in anger at those that are brave enough to accept who and what they are.

There isn't a third option.

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Re: Gay Civil Marriage In UK at a cost of 3.7 million Updated - you can sign petition after reading, if you want!
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Marriage is of no concern to homosexuals as it doesn't apply to them unless they refute those homosexual feelings and fall in love with soneone of the opposite sex
So basically because that is the current definition, nobody should ever seek to change or improve the definition to benefit an excluded group. Once upon a time the definition of marriage not only excluded homosexuals but any pairing other than white, middle class, heterosexual, able bodied, christians. While I tick the boxes in the first four categories your rules would have prevented my marriage. The concept of marriage managed to survive its spread to include interracial, cross religion, and even different social class, so why should it suddenly cease to function after the latest redefinition.

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The only hatred here is the hatred liberals have for the special place marriage has in our culture.
Are you really as stupid as you appear, or do you simply not know what the word liberal means. The hate here is that you hate the fact that you no longer have either the power or the authority to interfere in something that is none of your concern. You would dearly love to have homosexuality outlawed, or declared a mental illness, but the majority of the population of this country now reject your twisted dogmatic ideologies.

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Ed Milliband has never valued marriage and has only recently got married himslef to long term partner Justine Thornton.
So what? Breaking news for you. Ed Miliband has no say in how my wife and I order our relationship, and the same thing applies the other way. The people in Milibands constituency who voted for him in the last election cast their votes based on his policies not his marital status.

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The redefinition will remove all mention of mother and father from birth certificates as demonstrated by proposals in France; Telegraph: France sets out to delete mother & father from official documents
For starters the Telegraph is pushing a homophobic agenda, and consequently their reliability on this subject is poor at best. Add to that they are quoting a member of a pressure group who have a vested interest in frightening the population into submission so that their own criminal activities are overlooked. To demonstrate my point I will quote a few comments from the article.
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The head of the French Catholic Church Cardinal Philippe Barbarin warned followers last week that gay marriage could lead to legalised incest and polygamy in society.
, and I absolutely adored this one Quote:
Leading French Catholics have also published a 'Prayer for France', which says: "Children should not be subjected to adults' desires and conflicts, so they can fully benefit from the love of their mother and father."
from an organisation that has routinely covered up incidents of child sexual abuse.

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Let's not even consider the next logical step if this redefinition goes ahead; the legalisation of polygamous marriages;
Nice baseless assertion in an attempt to demonise a viewpoint at odds with your own but let us take a look at the facts and see if you are lying again. As the link shows, polygamy only exists in deeply religiouscommunities, and the legislation against it in secular, liberal countries is being reinforced and strengthened. So yes indeed, we are not even considering the legalisation of polygamous marriage.

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I really don't think you want to encourage the break up of marriages
So how is allowing Adam and Steve to get hitched going to affect my marriage?

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It is clear you do not value your country's Christian heritage.
In this you are correct, mainly because the great advantage that the USA has over many other countries is the fact that its "founding fathers" specifically created a secular state, and prohibited the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion. The christian heritage that his country has stems from religious groups in this country collecting infected material from smallpox wards in order to wage biological warfare against the original ( non christian) occupants of the land. Why should anybody value that sort of heritage?

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Maybe if you'd have had more Christians in your society like William Wilberforce & Granville Sharp
You keep citing Wilberforce as though he were the ordinary everyday face of christianity, while conveniently forgetting that his proposals would have been law years earlier if they had not been rejected by the bishops in the house of lords. Also It was the bishops who argued for compensation to be paid when slavery was abolished. Not to the formes slaves who had been the victims, but to their former owners for the loss of property. The people who put Wilberforce down used every dishonest argument that you have copied for the last 58 pages. Had you been around in 1833 you would have been as vociferous in your condemnation of Wilberforce for his liberal beliefs as you are today about the leaders of all three major political parties, for their support given to this proposal. You would have also asserted that being a slave was a lifestyle choice.

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I found another one of BigotD's "American cousins"

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