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Re: Gay Civil Marriage In UK at a cost of 3.7 million Updated - you can sign petition after reading, if you want!
Posted on 1-Oct-2012 7:18:24
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In my experience the homosexuals I've met have all been deeply traumatised by family breakdown and have 'chosen' to act on the homosexual feelings that resulted from the hurt/feelings of not fitting in etc.


In your experience... gawd you need to get out more and meet people if that's your very limited experience...

I can assure you of some of my friends whom are lesbian or homosexual NONE of them were "traumatised", NONE of them experienced a "family breakdown" and all of them came from perfectly happy, normal average family homes...

Just like your claim at being a Geologist is BS just cos you've studied the rocks in your head, everything else you say here is based simply on your own obvious very limited and ignorant experience of life...

I've only met one other person in life who objected so strongly to everything "gay" as you and in the end it turned out he was only doing so to try and hide the fact that he was gay. So come out of the closet BigD and just admit it, like I said before no one here is going to judge you on it (except yourself)...

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Having grown up with a friend you came out while still at school I'm quite sure his family break up and an absentee father had a lot to do with his confused sexuality

You are assuming you know your friend's reason for being gay. Somehow I doubt he was diagnosised with 'Daddy syndrome'. You are projecting your assumed reason for his homosexuality to all gays. It's a natural human condition to take what we know and assume it's true. But, we all have to step back and look at all the trees in the forest. You assume the forest is only constructed out of 1 type of tree. Stereotypes are wrong, dangerous, and what is leading you to bigotry. (And yes as you fear the extreme why and how Nazistic types of societies have come about.)

Simply put your assumed case on your friend is probably not as clear as you believe it to be. And certainly assuming homosexuals are all like your friend (unloved by Dad) is wrong. And is you stereotyping.

EDIT: Something for you to know. If another group gains a right you always had doesn't mean you are oppressed.

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Re: Gay Civil Marriage In UK at a cost of 3.7 million Updated - you can sign petition after reading, if you want!
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'Conversion therapy' for gay patients unethical, says professional body

Britain's biggest professional body for psychotherapists has instructed members that it is unethical for them to attempt to "convert" gay people to being heterosexual, formalising a policy change long demanded by rights groups.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/oct/01/conversion-therapy-gay-patients-unethical

The British Association for Counselling and Psychotherapy has written to its near-30,000 members to inform them of the new guidelines. The letter says the BACP "opposes any psychological treatment such as 'reparative' or 'conversion' therapy which is based upon the assumption that homosexuality is a mental disorder, or based on the premise that the client/patient should change his/her sexuality". The body adds that it recognises World Health Organisation policy which says such therapies can cause severe harm to an individual's mental and physical health.

So are the British Association for Counselling and Psychotherapy part of this liberal elite plot to destroy marriage as well BigD?

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Re: Gay Civil Marriage In UK at a cost of 3.7 million Updated - you can sign petition after reading, if you want!
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California just banned Conversion Therapy for teens!
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505245_162-57523383/calif-first-to-ban-gay-teen-conversion-therapy/

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Again you just make up the comments you'd like to argue against.


Hark! The Pot does call the Kettle black!

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I do however find it troubling that you know categorically the age of the Earth when the Mid-Atlantic Ridge (MAR) tectonic evidence assumes constant tectonic plate activity and spread rates of 2.5cm a year over 'millions of years' on the basis of a glorified jigsaw puzzle involving Africa's continental shelf outline matching the shape of the South American continental shelf outline! The magnetic banding that gives further age dating pointers assumes a regular switching of the poles. These are hardly water tight assumptions! There are no rocks old enough on Earth for isotopic dating to give you the age figure you crave and to back up the limited and postulative tectonic plate evidence.


The oldest rocks on earth, that can give us fission-track dating that really is remarkably accurate, are about 4 billion years old. So, 6,000 is a bit off I'm afraid. I have in fact seen trees older than your lot think the planet is.

And you've got the magnetic banding backwards. The oceanic sediments and volcanic rocks date the reversals, not the other way around. As a dating method themselves, they are useful only as an isochron or as a threshold date.

Also, tectonics doesn't 'assume' constant spreading at the mid ocean ridges. There's actually some pretty good evidence for it. Since you've decided to rubbish the concept of geomagnetism based on bugger-all evidence, I'll be really obvious and go with the record of datable volcanic atolls in the Pacific being as sure an indicator of the rate of progress as the dots on a ticker-tape.

Of course, this is making my other hypothesis about your, er, degree more plausible. I consider the possibility that you do indeed have a geology degree, but that you studied so long ago that you simply weren't taught tectonics and missed the majority of palaeontology. Also that you haven't bothered to keep up with the literature on the field.

It fits with the evidence. After all, in a related example, the most up-to-date material you reference regarding the LGBT community is the Gay Liberation Front Manifesto, 1971...

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Were you actually there? Have you counted the days ever since?


So you were there when God allegedly created the heavens and the earth, right? No? Oh, well, then I'm afraid we can't give your theory any eyewitness weighting and it'll all have to come down to evidence. Surprise surprise, you lose.

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When you correct me I'll be listening but you just spout Liberal world view tripe as fact while not listening to a thing I say! How patronising can you get? Do you have any science credentials? As already stated I have a Geology Degree and hence don't find science scary at all! What on Earth are you talking about. You're the one that' got a closed mind on this issue


Ah, well, you see reality has a well-documented Liberal bias, so I can see where your problem is. And as for your geology degree, well. I have a real one over here and feel no particular need to hide behind it when facing factually incorrect, morally bankrupt nonsense such as the tripe you spout.

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Having grown up with a friend you came out while still at school I'm quite sure his family break up and an absentee father had a lot to do with his confused sexuality. His brother reacted in a different but just as abnormal manner by trying to be overly macho to compensate for his lack of a father figure. My wife was friends with a 'cured' homosexual in her previous job. He accepted that his homosexual feelings had been wrong, God had convicted him of this and although he had never developed heterosexual feelings of attraction, he felt his calling was to be celibate (an option not often spoken about in relationship studies these days ). What qualifies you to pose the counter point?


The counter point? Well, how about the fact that I too know homosexual people, almost none of whom adhere to your stupid stereotype. For example, one girl has a stable, healthy family life, both parents are the same ones she had at birth and provide an ideal home, she was never bullied, never traumatised in any extraordinary way and yet, is a lesbian.

Or of course we could look at the one who's from a broken home, alcoholic father, divorced mother, the works, who is now happily married with kids never having encountered homosexual desire. Where now your stereotype?

And frankly, with the greatest respect to your wife, the person she knows at work has been the victim of abuse, whereby some indescribable has convinced him that an alleged deity hates him and has so damaged him that he now feels incapable of expressing any sexuality at all.

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These things are happening every day and you can't blame genetics? What we should not do is ever accept these lifestyle as normal or comparable to marriage because they are a product of family breakdowns and to normalise them will perpetuate the broken families!


This is not true. It was not true the first time you said it, it will not be true the next time you say it and the reason why it is not true is that every shred of evidence, be it neurological, psychological, biological, whatever, indicates that homosexuality is part of the normal spectrum of sexuality.

Not caused by family breakdown.

Not caused by divorce, or adoption, or arguments about the TV.

Natural.

And no amount of shouting from you and your fellow septuagenarian Daily Mail-reading hate brigade members is ever going to change that.

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Re: Gay Civil Marriage In UK at a cost of 3.7 million Updated - you can sign petition after reading, if you want!
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Homosexuality has no genetic cause? First, you can't fairly say that because we don't have a fully mapped human genome. We're even finding areas we thought did nothing do have a function. Also, we are constructs beyond our genome. Remember only about 10% of you, is you. The other 90% are actually symbiotic organisms. Their genomes, obviously, play a role in their life and in us.

I've provided you some articles of the scientific looks at the brain. Lust/Love is indistinguishable between straight and gay brains. The same centers are active. Also, the constructs of the brain of gays are more akin to straight brains of the other sex. Clearly a demonstration of biological difference. Some recent studies have shown that men's sexuality appears to be slightly more defined than women. Coming out of porn studies straight men perfer straight porn, gay men perfer gay porn. Women, however, appear to be less perferenced. So we do have sexual attraction differences between the sexes. Why would not one expect some 'spill over' into each other?

Animals are thought to be less able to make a conscious choice (about various things) than humans. So they are more biologically focused. Turns out there's LOTS of cases of Homosexuality in the Animal Kingdom I like penguins, cuz I always have. I recently (within the past few years) found out that some of the first discoveries about penguins were covered up. They're whores! They have incest, same sex, necrophilia. It's kind of off putting to those raised that 'missionary position' is the only way sex exists. No wonder people covered this up. Anyway again biological causes and or influences clearly exist in other animals. With people being animals why would it not exist in us too?

TL:DR? Okay quick summary question. You claim to have a scientific background. You claim there's no biological causes. How about putting that claim on the other foot. What evidence do you have that there is biological preventions in place? What's the DNA or construct that disallows homosexual behavior and makes the only possibility be that of a 'choice' ? Who/what scientist has proven your construct of homosexual biological preventions?

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Posted on 2-Oct-2012 0:33:50
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A good read Why indoctrinating religion in children is abusive

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Posted on 2-Oct-2012 1:37:14
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@T-J

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Of course, this is making my other hypothesis about your, er, degree more plausible. I consider the possibility that you do indeed have a geology degree, but that you studied so long ago that you simply weren't taught tectonics and missed the majority of palaeontology. Also that you haven't bothered to keep up with the literature on the field.


Hey steady on T-J. You are giving him far more credit than he deserves. Even Hutton knew the Earth was at much older than the Bible was saying and his knowledge of the Earth was considerably less than an 13 year old boy that pays attention in school today understands.

If you look into the history of this thread, D makes clear that his comprehension of geology would not gain him enough points to go beyond the fist two years of geography (As it's known in the UK's schooling).

I suspect he gained his "knowledge" in these fist few years and considered himself an expert.

Though I may not have a degree, geology is my number one interest and if I could have my life over again, I would be a geologist. The science fascinates me. In all the threads that D has taken part in that involve geology on any level, he has claimed his expertise, and yet me, a mere student can see he understands less about the subject than a sandwich.

His problem isn't that he's not kept up. its with his total and utter failure to understand anything he cant find in a google search.

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Preachin' to the Choir!
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They are not natural products of growing up or exploring relationships but rather a wrong response to being emotionally hurt.
It is not a disease and therefore cannot be 'cured'

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Posted on 5-Oct-2012 11:53:18
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This is what you see as evil incarnate?

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@SpaceDruid

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Hey steady on T-J. You are giving him far more credit than he deserves. Even Hutton knew the Earth was at much older than the Bible was saying and his knowledge of the Earth was considerably less than an 13 year old boy that pays attention in school today understands
This is, of course true, but T-J's statement does not exclude the possibility that BigD is older than he looks.
It may be that his knowledge of geology predates Hutton (1726-1797) and that he considers Hutton to be a radical Liberal conspirator. His attitudes are certainly sufficiently antediluvian

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@Thread

Common sense is at last spoken at the Tory Party Conference in Birmingham!

BBC: Tory Conference hosts pro-marriage event

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You linked to the wrong article. The pro-marriage common sense being spoken at the Conservative conference comes from Hague and Osborne, not Widdecombe.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-19863868

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Posted on 9-Oct-2012 1:29:29
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@BigD

Ah the open minded Ann Widdecombe, who supported shackling pregnant women who were giving birth while in Hospital. Ann Widdecombe who wants to bring back the death penalty and writes for that other open minded entity, the Daily Express that in return gave her their support when she voted to keep her political expenses secret.

And in other breaking news, some Conservative party members have conservative views!

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@BigD

1697 US anti-blasphemy laws . I'm happy to say 'Freedom of Speech' means we no longer take redhot pokers to the tongue for insulting someone's imaginary SkyDaddy.

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@ Thread

Gawd... are you lot still here !!!

NOTE TO PEOPLE IN THE FUTURE WHO MAY HAPPEN ACROSS THIS THREAD...

Yes it may seem strange (very strange) that a subject such as this could have become one of the longest running and most viewed threads on a computer forum...

But remember this was a forum about a computer that a bit like that Jeebus fella, was killed off long before it's time and just like the Bible people have been procrastinating and debating endlessly on it here as they await the second coming (which never happened by the way)...

So after after nearly 20 years of going over the same old topics time and time again, I reckon debating Gays, Marriage, Religion were nothing more than a welcome change for most of the faithful whom had finally realised there was not going to be any second coming of the miggie (just like Jeebus) and gibbering about anything was better than rehashing the same old debates about the Amiga for another 20 years...

Pretty sure by the time you read this there will be threads about "Who Shot JFK", "Were The Moon Landings Faked" and that age old question that has plagued mankind from the beginning of time "Why Does Dropped Toast Always Land Buttered Side Down" amongst others...

PS: It could also be because of the invisible toxic fumes the Amiga gave off as it yellowed with age that caused most who posted here to go bammy...

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@Franko

This forum is about computers? I thought it was a place for Spanish female friends to hang out? Shiiiit, I was hoping for some hot señorita to come and take me from this cold rainy place.

Mind you, with my luck, she'd live on a Spanish plain where the rain falls mainly.

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Egads!

Religious group says Sally Ride had cancer because she was gay It was, of course, the Family Research Institute. If they do research at all it should be how to best pull the Bible out of their collective asses.

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