@BigD

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Quote: A Daily Mail leader column last week accused the BBC of double standards, claiming it "consistently attacks Christianity (though never Islam)" and suggested the corporation would have pursued Jimmy Savile "remorselessly" if he was a Catholic priest and not a former BBC presenter.

The Daily Mail. That good old bastion of moral standards.

"Kylie, 14, meanwhile appeared a little more coy, hiding her face beneath her hair in an artsy shot.
As she dangled her legs into the pool, she leaned back on her arms while displaying her equally trim figure"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2169169/Kendall-Kylie-Jenner-pose-bikinis-Independence-Day.html

@Rob

Who the frig are Kyle & Kendal Jenner !!! (Never heard of them till you posted that)...

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@Franko

I've no idea either, but the article, if you can call it that, was mentioned on Have I Got News For You. It seems that the Daily Mail are quite happy to post images of underage girls and make lewd comments about them.

John Peel had an affair with a 15 year old what a terrible man. Hey look how grown up this 15 year old Disney actress looks.

The Daily Mail don't do double standards at all.

Haha, that's hilarious. Using tabloid trash to try to get a point accross?
This thread itself has become pretty funny. One guy trying desperately to convince others of his biggotted, narrow minded, ignorant, brain washed ways, but no-one at all buying into it.

Im curious how many more months this freakshow continues. Will it ever dawn that there's no "winning" here, or will there be many more amusing entries?

Only time will tell.

@Rob

I stopped reading newspapers back in the early 80s when I was in my very late teens, you see I realised that in this country there were only two types of newspaper tabloids and broadsheets which both tried to distinguish and separate themselves based on class...

Strange thing is though they are all the exact same... tabloids like The Sun , The Mirror, The Daily Record etc... all print lies and use sex and sensationalism and swear words to sell their product to the working class but don't mind admitting to it, while broadsheets like The Mail, The Telegraph, The Guardian etc.. use sex, sensationalism and big words to sell their product to the middle & upper middle class but would never admit it...

So when it comes to so called famous people that your post was about, then happily I have no idea who they are or what talents they lack but these papers use them to sell their product through titillation and more than likely somewhere on the very same page they'll have a story claiming they are disgusted & horrified by the latest pedophile revelations and stories about how morally corrupt certain section of society are...

The saddest thing though is there are certain people in society like BigD who read all that shit and think it's true and then go online anywhere they can to spew their claimed outrage and bigoted venom without ever once stopping to think for themselves the maybe, just maybe it's all a crock of shit their being spoon fed and never once actually checking for themselves that perhaps things aren't quite like that in the real world outside, a place where they never dare venture cos they're too scared too because of what they read in the paper...

Society is fecked, I mean totally fecked, I honestly can't take anything seriously anymore that anyone says as we now live in a world of 24 hour news media & the internet that folk like BigD think is the gospel truth cos they read it so it must be true...

The only one good think about it for me personally is it gives me a good laugh and an almost full time hobby of ripping the piss out of if all. which I'm happy to admit I really enjoy...

In the words of S.LF...

"The media all twist the facts"
"I read it in the paper"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PyHnZojT5Q

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@fishy_fis

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fishy_fis wrote: Haha, that's hilarious. Using tabloid trash to try to get a point accross?

You'll upset BigD by saying the papers he reads are tabloids...

Them's da posh peoples papers you talking about der, you'll go to hell for that one...

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@Franko

Bringing class wars into this one too?! No doubt your still annoyed about my comment about homeowners expecting their bricks and mortar to keep on gaining value forever and my failing to comment on the millions who live practically rent free off housing associations and hence benefit in other ways from the benefit culture we've created!

Well for the record I don't own a house either (although I rent privately not using Government benefits/subsidies) but I can see how greed and selfishness in our culture is colouring this debate. This selfishness is no better demonstrated by the 'liberal elite' attempting to change the selfless child centred and sacrificial love focused institution of marriage into a selfish adult focused institution with the sole aim of giving all sorts of non-monogamous and non-heterosexual relationships the sham of a 'white wedding' and the excuse for a 'booze up' afterwards!

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@BigD

You really have a warped sense of reality guy.

What on Earth makes you think heterosexual marriages/partnerships/etc. are different? People are people, each with their own thoughts/opinions/values/ethics/whatever. Sexual preference in no way shape or form influences that.

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This selfishness is no better demonstrated by the 'liberal elite' attempting to change the selfless child centred and sacrificial love focused institution of marriage into a selfish adult focused institution with the sole aim of giving all sorts of non-monogamous and non-heterosexual relationships the sham of a 'white wedding' and the excuse for a 'booze up' afterwards!

Seriously, youre just taking the piss now right? I can tell you right now that's just absolute nonsense. My father, a man of faith was an evil prick. My mother, who like me is agnostic was the selfless one. My father was the one who'd use any excuse for a piss up. One of my happiest childhood memories was when we finally escaped my father.

Im sure its pure coincidence, but the people I personally know who closest fit that description are heterosexual christian (another catholic) people.

Point being, again, its all down to an individual as to how they think and behave.

After 60-odd pages though Im not sure why Im bothering to address this stuff at you. It's abundantly clear that youre only interested in a life that fits your narrow minded, warped sense of reality. Dont get me wrong this isnt an attack. If you chose to live your life that way youre welcome to. Im simply stating what is clear as the nose on my face.

@BigD

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BigD wrote: @Franko Bringing class wars into this one too?!

Nope you did that quite some time back with your ignorant and arrogant toffee nosed upper middle class views of how your kind live and your ignorant beliefs of how those you think of as being beneath you live...

Even your weird views on marriage contain your own narrow minded views of the meaning of the word...

There is nothing in the definition of the word marriage that says anything about it being based around children, yet strangely you keep claiming that it is based around children and claiming people are selfish if they don't care for the children...

Here's a little FACT for you again taken from the real world and my own personal experience and not some lying newspaper...

FACT: I know quite a few happily married couples whom have never had children during their often long and perfectly happy marriages and they certainly are not selfish...

How you manage to survive in this world with the incredibly narrow minded and ignorant views you keep spouting here really amazes me, I've met a lot of very strange and some very nasty people in my time but they pale in comparison to you and your seemingly vile hatred for anyone and everything that doesn't fit in with your crazed and ignorant views on just about everything for the society in which you live and yet obviously know nothing about... your really are a strange one BigD, very, very strange indeed...

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@BigD

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So I click on your link and the first thing I read; Quote: The hardest part was facing his parents, who were divorced. Goes back to the family breakdown thing doesn't it. People are far more likely to try the 'homosexual lifestyle' if they suffer from family breakdown.

And having read that comment you switched what passes for a brain off and went into fully automated queerbashing mode. If you had bothered to read the article you would have seen that the individual in question hadn't gone over to t5he dark side, he simply "walked a mile in the other mans shoes" to see how the other half lives. And it was an eye opener for him to find out how bigoted his "friends" and family really were. You wasted all of that effort getting on your high horse about his parents divorce because he is, and always was "straight". He merely had a quick lesson in compassion, something "christians" often talk about, but rarely exhibit.

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No doubt your still annoyed about my comment about homeowners expecting their bricks and mortar to keep on gaining value forever and my failing to comment on the millions who live practically rent free off housing associations and hence benefit in other ways from the benefit culture we've created!

Not annoyed at all, in fact this sort of Clearly Ridiculous Arbitrary Pontificating is what we have come to expect from somebody as self centred, self righteous, and uncaring as yourself.

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I can see how greed and selfishness in our culture is colouring this debate.

So why do you persist in being selfish? It would not harm you to demonstrate some of the so called "christian virtues" and refrain from selfishly imposing your opinions on to other peoples lifestyles. Nobody is telling you who you can and cannot associate with, so kindly stop interfering with other peoples lives. You are the one who is attempting to maintain some kind of exclusivity on marriage, and if that is not selfish, then I have no idea what is.

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So why do you persist in being selfish? It would not harm you to demonstrate some of the so called "christian virtues" and refrain from selfishly imposing your opinions on to other peoples lifestyles.

I throw that straight back at you. Why should a few people's minority 'lifestyle' destroy a cherished institution valued by millions? Latest polls suggest only 1.5% of the population is gay, lesbian or bisexual in the UK.

Daily Mail: Only 1 in 66 Britons is gay or bisexual not 1 in 10

It is absurd that such a small group of people should be held to change and destroy such a important cohesive institution which allows peaceable and productive societies to function. In reality homosexuals and bisexuals are divided amongst themselves as to whether same-sex marriage is important to them considering they already have Civil Partnerships. It is the 'liberal elite' such as Boris and Dave that are attempting to force feed this garbage to our nation!

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@Franko

News flash to Franko. This politically motivated attempt to pander to liberal and homosexual voters was launched by Eton educated aristocrat David Cameron! The venerable leader of your cause is one of the arrogant toffee nosed people of which you speak . As to house ownership, neither of us own one, but you still seem to think I've been to Eton because I've read the Telegraph

Blogs I've seen paint Alex Salmond as an out of touch middle class politician rather than a champion of the working classes. What's you point?

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poll after poll shows that Salmond and his middle class clique are being rejected by ordinary working class Scots when the issue of leaving the UK is brought up! Salmond and Sturgeon are looking increasingly desperate, their middle class clique are a dry hole for solutions and the Yes Scotland crowd, well they are just flapping about trying to justify their existence.

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@BigD

Sigh... you don't get it do you with your friggin polls...

Forget about BS polls and the crap you read in the paper, get out, socialise, talk to real people from all walks of life and stop beleiving crap that some sectionalist journalist is pouring down your throat, think for yourself for once and form your own opinions based on your own real life experiences and stop, please stop for your own sake forming every opinion or belief you have based on utter bullshit you read in dammed lying newspapers or on tv...

It's not about minorities and it's especially not about majorities, it's simply about giving equal and fair rights to ALL human beings ...

If you can only live your life by labelling and categorising everyone and everything that happens in your life then you really are totally brain washed and mindless and unlike Fred here have never gained sentience...

Fer the sake of all things that are sane BigD think for yourself for once, you never know you might actually enjoy it...

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@BigD

In reply to your post about "Politicians", the answer is simple...

I don't trust, need, listen or care about a single one of them and could care less about which party they belong too, their social class or upbringing, they're all self centered scum and only in it for their own benefit...

PS: I don't think you've been to Eton or any public schoo for that matterl, quite simply from the views you posted here I have the impression of you as being nothing more than a middle class religious half wit whom has no idea about life or living in the real world...

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@Franko

Calling people who disagree with you a "half wit" is not the sign of a educated, logical and well reasoned individual. I suggest you keep it civilised or you'll be perceived as an angry intolerant fanatic like Richard Dawkins.

'New liberal' rantings about your perceived higher value of the arguments of 'enlightened' atheists over educated scientists who have a Christian faith will not win any arguments here.

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@BigD

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I throw that straight back at you. Why should a few people's minority 'lifestyle' destroy a cherished institution valued by millions?

And I will once again ask the question that you have either refused or failed to answer. How does granting a minority of the population equal rights to live their lives as they wish threaten the security of my marriage. My marriage will not be destroyed by allowing somebody else to be happy, and if allowing somebody else to enjoy their life ruins yours then you are one sad and sorry excuse for a human being.

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It is the 'liberal elite' such as Boris and Dave that are attempting to force feed this garbage to our nation!

There is no such thing as a "liberal elite". The Liberal party are the junior partner in the current ruling coalition government, and Boris and Dave are neither "Liberals" nor liberal. They are, however both constrained by a requirement to follow the democratic principle which means that they cannot risk lurching off to a political extreme as the result of that would be to become as unelectable as Kinnock was. As a result of this they follow the majority opinion of the country which is quite happy to grant equality to a formerly persecuted minority. I find it tragic that somebody who professes to follow christian teachings considers the concepts of equality and freedom from persecution to be "garbage", but looking at the historical record, I shouldn't be surprised.Quote:

Daily Mail: Only 1 in 66 Britons is gay or bisexual not 1 in 10

It dosn't matter if only 1 Briton in total is homosexual, it doesn't give you, or anybody, the right to bully or persecute him (or her, or it). You have the right to hold your opinion, but you do not have the right to impose that opinion on others.

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I suggest you keep it civilised or you'll be perceived as an angry intolerant fanatic like Richard Dawkins.

On the subject of intolerance, how many people did Dawkins have burned at the stake, or tortured to death for the "crime" of holding different opinions. Now compare that number to those executed by order of various christians throughout history.

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@BigD

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I throw that straight back at you. Why should a few people's minority 'lifestyle' destroy a cherished institution valued by millions? Latest polls suggest only 1.5% of the population is gay, lesbian or bisexual in the UK.

If you read and understand the New Testament you will find that Christ does not Judge here on earth. He gives helps to the individuals and the masses without exclusion. Jesus goes on to talk about the 2 commandments. The first of these is love your God with all your heart, all your mind and all your soul. And the second is like it to love your neighbor as yourself. Repeatedly Christ repeats that those that will get into heaven are those that care of the downtrodden and the least among us. It seems to me 1.5% is the least among the other 98.5% of society. When it came to treating sexual related sins, Jesus asked that those among us with no sin to be the one to cast the first stone. Jesus gave equal rights and equal respect to those least among us. So why take care and equalize the least among us you ask? I'd say the leading reason I can give you is because Your Lord so Commanded you to do so.

@BigD

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BigD wrote: @Franko Calling people who disagree with you a "half wit" is not the sign of a educated, logical and well reasoned individual. I suggest you keep it civilised or you'll be perceived as an angry intolerant fanatic like Richard Dawkins.

I honestly don't care what it's a sign of, my level of education is very high and is always increasing, when it comes to logical thinking you be hard pushed to find someone who thinks more logically then me (not my words, something I was told about myself by one of the UK's top Neurosurgeons amongst many others)...

What others perceive me as is of no concern of mine and certainly doesn't matter to me nor anyone else (not even what that Neurosurgeon said)...

Everything I say is indeed "Civilised" you see the words I use be it "half wit" or whatever are part of our civilisation and don't exist outside it, so I always have and always will when I say anything be civilised when I speak...

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'New liberal' rantings about your perceived higher value of the arguments of 'enlightened' atheists over educated scientists who have a Christian faith will not win any arguments here.

Everyone is wining the "arguments" here except you but you fail to see that, so your a wee bit out of whack there in saying that..

So my dear half wit which you are in my not so humble opinion you can like it or lump it as it's all part of our civilised world...

Just like a lot of what you have said here could be claimed as being not very "civilised" then that's just tough shit for anyone who does think it's uncivilised, as like I say all the words we use are an intricate part of our civilisation and unless we all go back to making grunting noises and no written language then you'll just have to accept that simple fact and get on with it...

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@BigD

I was going to launch into a rant about how you need a big dose of reality. But we all know that you wouldn't actually take any of it in. In fact I would have put good money on you taking what I wrote, spinning it, adding some nonsensical bit of arbitrary data or poll and regurgitating it back at me with a smug sense of some unfounded moral high ground.

So what I will say is this. You remind me of a group of people I see in my local pub. The kind that meet every tuesday, thursday and sunday and discuss the moral unraveling of our modern society. Talking about "minority" sections of society and how their whims impact on the "majority" of people. Spewing polls, studies, newspaper snippets and other junk data to back your "well informed" arguments. And that even though you know people from these "minorities" you feel that they should reside in their own little corners and not upset your sensibilities.

in other words your a closet homophobe.

The only difference between yourself and the regular common garden homophobe is that you don't scream and shout about it incase it effects your standings within your social circles. So you hide it behind veils of pomp and arrogance and that great sheild of relgious righteousness.

Oh and for the record I am all for gay marriage. So is my wife. And if my child turns to me in 20 years and says that he wants to marry another man, woman, transexual or other then we will stand behinde him. Whatever his decision.

@Franko

Hell I think your one of the most articulate people I have yet to meet in real life. Just don't turn that wit on me eh

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