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Re: Gay Civil Marriage In UK at a cost of 3.7 million Updated - you can sign petition after reading, if you want!
Posted on 19-Dec-2012 22:38:55
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You keep claiming that this legislation will destroy marriage, and you keep calling for politicians to save marriage however you have no evidence to support your claim that marriage is under threat.


Ok, I hate to again expose the fact that you are such an uninformed individual but you don't seem to be taking in the evidence that I provide for you. Maybe you should clarify and polish some of your arguments with your 'Christian' wife before you open your mouth (bless her it can't be easier when you depise everything that defines a Christian i.e, a love of Jesus and the teachings of the Bible, heck you don't even like the facts and the truth about marriage). Here AGAIN is the evidence as to why marriage is under threat from this legislation...

Read digest and accept the followin Post #1423 ... please!!!

Nimrod question posted on 7-Nov-2012 0:20:06

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I will once again ask you, where is the evidence that giving equality to homosexuals will destroy the concept of marriage.


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Equality has already been granted (and then some) by the civil partnership act and the proceeding legal cases that prove that civil partnerships are legally comparable to marriage!

As to the evidence that redefining marriage is bad for society. There is already a large body of evidence from the countries that have already redefined marriage as to the negative outcomes it brings.

Canada; the redefinition of marriage doesn't stop at allowing two men or two women unions, as soon as marriage was redefined a polygamist launched a legal action to have his relationship recognised in law! When politicians meddle with marriage it all starts to unravel.

Spain; after gay marriage was introduced, marriage rates across the whole population plummeted.

Netherlands; marriage rates decreased substantially after gay marriage was introduced.

Brazil; a three-way relationship was given marriage like rights by a judge because of civil partnership laws.

France; the government is eradicating the words 'father' and 'mother' from all official documents.

Not only that but there is no call for the change amongst the homosexual communities in the UK; Polling shows that only 39% of gay people think that gay marriage is a priority. According to the government only 3% of gay people would enter same-sex marriage. Latest official data shows that only 0.7 per cent of households are headed by by a same-sex couple. Not all of them want or will enter a same-sex marriage. Why then should such a monumental change be imposed throughout society?

When approaching the public at large the picture is even clearer; seven in ten people want to keep marriage as it is. Other polling that purports to show public support for gay marriage fails to tell respondents that equal rights are already available through civil partnerships. When people are told this crucial fact, most people say to keep marriage as it is.

Ordinary people want the government to concentrate on reviving our economy and providing better public services, not meddling with marriage.

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Re: Gay Civil Marriage In UK at a cost of 3.7 million Updated - you can sign petition after reading, if you want!
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@BigD

Sigh...

D, it doesn't matter how many times you repeat lies and falsehoods, they don't magically become true.

You "evidence" hasn't withstood peer review and therefore has no value or merit in this discussion.



And you STILL haven't explained why you no longer treat women as second class citizens, or stone your wife to death for leaving your house unescorted by a family member despite it being made very clear in the Bible, many times (Old and New Testament) that is the God sanctioned way they should be treated, yet still choose to treat homosexuals as second class citizens despite it only being mentioned once and then discredited by Jesus later.

And you are still behaving as a false prophet and God's judge despite God's very clear instructions both in the Commandments and when he sent Jesus along to remind you that doing so is a VERY BAD sin. Certainly far more serious than being gay or not believing in him.

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Re: Gay Civil Marriage In UK at a cost of 3.7 million Updated - you can sign petition after reading, if you want!
Posted on 19-Dec-2012 23:13:33
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A seventeen week foetus is not a baby. It cannot survive outside of its mothers uterus, and if the mother starts to miscarry, as in the case of Savita Halappanavar, the foetus cannot be saved. The mother could have been, if it had not been for religious dogma getting in the way of civilised standards of care. After all, she was only a woman, and not even a decent christian either, just some idolatrous foreigner, not deserving of your deitys attention.


You don't even value human life! As already stated although the case of Savita Halappanavar is deeply sad (though it's in no way conclusive that an early abortion would have saved her life), cases where babies are aborted to save the mother's life are extremely rare in the UK and only 143 have been carried out for this reason since the procedure was legalised;

Latest abortion figures

143 out of 6.3 million!!! Take those figures in and mull them over.

How can you can make the distinction between a 17 week old human foetus being a blob of tissue and blood compared to a 24 week old 'viable' child that you consider human!!! If it makes you able to sleep at night while our country perpetuates the ongoing murder of almost 200,000 babies a year then I really think you should have to watch at close hand this procedure and see if you still have pleasant dreams.

Daily Mail: What Really happens during an abortion

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Dr Spencer opens a fresh pack of shiny instruments. He's an extremely calm, softly spoken man, which somehow makes his words all the more devastating. "The foetus can't come out in one go. We haven't dilated sufficiently for that. The foetal parts are soft enough to break apart as they are being removed..."

In other words, he has to dismember the foetus inside the uterus and pull it out, bit by bit. He uses an ultrasound scan to guide him. Even then, some body parts are too large to come out intact.

To illustrate what happens, Dr Spencer grips his thumb between the surgical forceps and squeezes gently. "Those parts are the skull and then the spine and pelvis, and in fact they are crushed..."


Do your research before you spout off regarding the UK's guilty bloody hands on this issue. You could even have another chat with your 'Christian' wife about how human's are made in the image of God and whethter she thinks it's right for a civilised society to legally allow babies to suffer dismemberment inside their mother's uterus?

You support the murder of babies AND the destruction of marriage. Your wife must be so proud

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Re: Gay Civil Marriage In UK at a cost of 3.7 million Updated - you can sign petition after reading, if you want!
Posted on 19-Dec-2012 23:20:13
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And you are still behaving as a false prophet and God's judge despite God's very clear instructions both in the Commandments and when he sent Jesus along to remind you that doing so is a VERY BAD sin. Certainly far more serious than being gay or not believing in him.


Stating that thievery or adultery is a sin is not judging an individual. Homosexuality is an perpetuation of a HOMOSEXUAL ACT it does not define ANY group of human beings as a gendre, creed or racial group! I'd have thought you would have understood this by now!

People who struggle with homosexual attraction have my deepest sympathy and I do not judge them when I point out that any sexual intercouse outside of marriage is a sin. They can choose what they do with their sexual organs and they are not defined by it as you keep trying to state.

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Gay people!
Black People!
Jews!
Sin!
Hellfire!

You can't be for real, Big D. You have to be 100% troll. There is no way someone can be as ignorant and bigoted as you and posses the ability to turn a computer on let alone form sentences.

You aren't a Christian, you are a satanist. Keep sucking that Satan proboscis, jagoff.

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Re: Gay Civil Marriage In UK at a cost of 3.7 million Updated - you can sign petition after reading, if you want!
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Maybe you should clarify and polish some of your arguments with your 'Christian' wife before you open your mouth (bless her it can't be easier when you depise everything...


You're telling a man to go off and start an argument with his wife, D? You know what? That looks to me like you're the one threatening the integrity of somebody's marriage, not gay people.

Perhaps you might want to rethink your suggestion?

Oh, and post 1473 remains as false now as it was when you first posted it. Referring us back to your original lies won't make them true, as others have already observed.

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I do not judge them when I point out that any sexual intercouse outside of marriage is a sin.


How about you leave the stone-throwing to he who is without sin? I think that would be best, don't you?

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cases where babies are aborted to save the mother's life are extremely rare in the UK and only 143 have been carried out for this reason since the procedure was legalised


Well, now you've crossed a line.

For one thing, your statistics are, surprise surprise, another barefaced lie.

In England and Wales, for which the statistics are most immediately available to me, 95% of abortions were certified by a physician on grounds of a real and present threat to the mental or physical health of the mother. The remainder includes abortions conducted for the reason that the infant would if carried to term be born with extreme levels of handicap and suffering.

And a word about timing. 87% of abortions occurred within the first 12 weeks of pregnancy. 60% in the first 10. This is so far in advance of your 16 week point as to not even be relevant. Consciousness, a working nervous system, a functioning brain, all these things are lacking.

And all this medical fact doesn't change even one iota the fact that you don't know what the hell you're talking about, because you haven't ever given birth, you aren't the one at risk and you do not and never will understand the moral dilemma posed by a mother having to make this decision.

Anyway, when do you draw the line? One week? One day? Five minutes? At the point of ejaculation? Your salami-slicing argument reduces itself to absurdity - the fact that you are not presently procreating means that a potential life will never exist! How can you live with yourself knowing you've killed that potential person!

So how about you take your pious little self off this thread, go pray for some compassion, go pray for a smidgen of common sense, go pray to be raptured off this rock for all I care, but go. You have sat too long for any good you have been doing lately... Depart, I say; and let us have done with you. In the name of God, go!

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Re: Gay Civil Marriage In UK at a cost of 3.7 million Updated - you can sign petition after reading, if you want!
Posted on 20-Dec-2012 2:18:11
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I appreciate and understand your brand of Christianity. There are other brands of Christianity. And there are other types of faith. The UK and especially the USA have a government which are 'secular'. By 'secular' in this context I mean a government that does not derive it's power from a Godhead but instead is built to accomodate any man's religion.

Through this laws must be translated to be acceptable to a number of people. Having a law that lets people define marriage within their marriage gives individuals the right of self determiniation. So if your Christian buddies only want to marry wives, that's fine. If your Christian buddies only want to marry white women. Go do it.

But, what you do not have the right is to dictate that your brand of god trumps other brands or trumps other gods. In our societies each person decides their religion by themselves. Discrimination doesn't fly because it disables people from their individual rights of self determination.

Your evidence that 1-2% additional marriages, who happen to be gay, will crash the walls of society is weak, at best. I'd characterize it as laughable. Because in the USA those areas with gay marriage rank lowest in divorces, lowest in single families and have one of the higher ranked qualities of live. Because in Europe, eg Sweden, other things you dislike, eg single families, exist in a high number. Their society isn't failing. They rank the happiest people with the best quality of life in our world. In short gays do not have impact you wish us to believe. (And looking at the stats they might actually improve society.)

It's time for the UK and USA to drop their 'Christian' pretenses and live up to their neutral stance on religion and let we the people decide individually what marriage means to us.

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Stating that thievery or adultery is a sin is not judging an individual. Homosexuality is an perpetuation of a HOMOSEXUAL ACT it does not define ANY group of human beings as a gendre, creed or racial group! I'd have thought you would have understood this by now!

People who struggle with homosexual attraction have my deepest sympathy and I do not judge them when I point out that any sexual intercouse outside of marriage is a sin. They can choose what they do with their sexual organs and they are not defined by it as you keep trying to state.


Deepest sympathy? Try reading your posts in this thread again. I know you like to shift the goalposts in your arguments to suit your latest Daily Mail or Telegraph article, but even that has a limit.

You've spent hundreds of posts saying how dreadful gays are for "choosing" the "gay lifestyle" (whatever that is), then you spend a great deal of effort trying to convince us that Gay people can never get married lest it bring back fascism and the end of society AND THEN say their relations are sinful because they aren't married?!?

And no, they are not defined by the sexual act, they are defined by the same rules that apply to heterosexuals who love one another. Gay people wishing to marry are in love. THE VERY SAME LOVE that you or I get to have. The ONLY way they can have a loving relationship in a non "sinful" manor is to get married. The very thing you are against!!?

For the love of Christ, make your mind up!


Oh and what a total surprise... You completely failed yet again to explain why you choose to ignore the instructions from God on how women should be treated which are made very clear over and over and yet choose to enforce the one reference to homosexuality which is only mentioned once.

THIS IS WHERE THE CONCEPT OF MAKING JUDGEMENTS COMES IN It's not a trivial matter. You are taking it upon yourself to decide the will of God and the importance of some teachings over others.

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“Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.


Sometime Bible passages can be hard to understand the meaning of, this is not one of them.

Jesus makes it very clear that hatred and intolerance have no place in this worship of God, yet here you are, pretending to be speaking on God's behalf (The wolf in sheep's clothing) by choosing to take the path of intolerance towards one group of people (The recognisable fruit, or bigotry as it is also known), but not others.

You claim homosexuality is a sin, but choose not to label women who live independent lives (or actions within their lives) with the same label. Your wife leaves your home without a male family member present, at work she speaks to men with the same authority and you continually use the internet on the Sabbath. This is where the following becomes relevant

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“Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.


Again, very clear in message. YOU, the hypocrite are very noisily claiming homosexuality is a sin according to your religion, even though it is a very minor one mentioned only once (A speck of sawdust), yet at the same time you and your wife choose to live your lives without applying the vastly more important rules such as the two I mentioned about regarding women and the Sabbath and the very words as Spoken by Jesus...

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Matthew 22:36-40

36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?

37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”


It is abundantly clear in this thread by your hateful speech against gay people that you choose to ignore Jesus VERY CLEAR instructions and the level of importance he places upon them. In case you haven't figured it out yet, that is a very big plank sticking out of your eye.

Thereby, if I were to accept Jesus into my life and follow his words, I would have NO CHOICE but to name you a false prophet.

IF you really have chosen to accept Jesus as your personal saviour, why do you choose to ignore his teachings in favour of your own prejudices (your bad fruit) if you are NOT such a false prophet?

And AGAIN I will ask, why do you go out of your way to label one fairly insignificant act (it is only mentioned once) as sinful and try to deny a section of society the happiness and joy Jesus promised them, yet choose not to label the significantly more important (since it's mentioned very many times) acts already mentioned above in the same manor?

Or to put it very plainly

Why is it that you are allowed to sin in multiple ways, yet gay people aren't allowed to sin once?

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Re: Gay Civil Marriage In UK at a cost of 3.7 million Updated - you can sign petition after reading, if you want!
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@SpaceDruid

As a non-Christian and aggressively anti-God one at that, who are you to attempt to tell me which bits to pick and choose from the Bible? Would you have me burn the rest?!

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It is abundantly clear in this thread by your hateful speech against gay people that you choose to ignore Jesus VERY CLEAR instructions and the level of importance he places upon them. In case you haven't figured it out yet, that is a very big plank sticking out of your eye.


It is loving for society to help people over come sinful lifestyles whether that be gambling addiction, prostitution, adultery, drug abuse of homosexual acts etc. When society starts encouraging people to gamble, have sex with people of the same sex or allows legal prostitution then the state is not operating in a God honouring way. The Bible clearly states that these things are sinful and that states should be acting for our good. Pointing out that homosexual acts are sinful is in line with the Bible and does not judge the individuals caught in same sex attraction. They either care what the Bible teaches on homosexual practise or they don't but it would be unloving to lie to them as to what Biblical teachings are just to ease their conscience and push them into the homosexual lifestyle!

I don't claim to never mess up in my life but I do not expect the Government to condone sinful actions and raise them up to usurp valued institutions such as marriage when the change actually does society harm!

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You've spent hundreds of posts saying how dreadful gays are for "choosing" the "gay lifestyle" (whatever that is), then you spend a great deal of effort trying to convince us that Gay people can never get married lest it bring back fascism and the end of society AND THEN say their relations are sinful because they aren't married?!? And no, they are not defined by the sexual act, they are defined by the same rules that apply to heterosexuals who love one another. Gay people wishing to marry are in love. THE VERY SAME LOVE that you or I get to have. The ONLY way they can have a loving relationship in a non "sinful" manor is to get married. The very thing you are against!!?


Yeah, 'married' i.e. to someone of the opposite sex or not at all. The Bible does not condone homosexual acts and pretending marriage applies to same sex relations will not make that any different. There is more to marriage than just love and a lot of the homosexual relationships I've seen to not show true love anyway. They are often open relationships and show elements of abuse and control so do not benefit the individuals in the same way marriage does. And don't get me started on the ability to procreate and provide male and female role models for children!

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As a non-Christian and aggressively anti-God one at that, who are you to attempt to tell me which bits to pick and choose from the Bible? Would you have me burn the rest?!


I am not the one picking and choosing. Clearly my post flew so far over your head it could reach out and touch God.

YOU are the one picking and choosing bits from the Bible to suit YOU.

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Ok, I hate to again expose the fact that you are such an uninformed individual but you don't seem to be taking in the evidence that I provide for you.
All you are exposing is the fact that you take no notice of the responses to your stupidly dishonest claims. Every piece of so called "evidence" that you have posted has been read, investigated, and proven to be pure unadulterated lies. hese lies were exposed from post 1423, and they were further debunked when you referred back to post 1423. EXAMPLE

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There is already a large body of evidence from the countries that have already redefined marriage as to the negative outcomes it brings.
You have made this claim hovever sttistics presented by T-J and BrianK on multiple occasions clearly refute this claim. Heterosexual marriages in more egalitarian locations are more stable than in theocracies, as is evidenced from teen pregnancy rates and divorce rates from US states.
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as soon as marriage was redefined a polygamist launched a legal action to have his relationship recognised in law!
Polygamy is illegal in Canada. There are people in all countries who believe that they are above the law, these people are called criminals. Some of these criminals try to cite "religious freedom" or "historical precedent" to justify their criminal activity. Despite your scaremongering, Canada is as likely to permit polygamy as it is to reintroduce slavery to the world.
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Spain; after gay marriage was introduced, marriage rates across the whole population plummeted.
Spain was already experiencing a decline in marriage. T-J has already answered this claim in full and with citations. Follow your own advice, READ and DIGEST.
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Netherlands; marriage rates decreased substantially after gay marriage was introduced.
The Netherlands were already experiencing a decline in marriage. T-J has already answered this claim in full and with citations. Follow your own advice, READ and DIGEST.
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Brazil; a three-way relationship was given marriage like rights by a judge because of civil partnership laws
Interestingly if you cut and paste the above quote into Google search it will bring up a whole stack of homophobic sites with an identically worded "article" that links back to a statement made by C4M. The nearest story from the brazilian legal authorities was a case where a church carried out such a ceremony in contravention of the secular law Brazil has not legalised polygamy, or peadophilia, or bestiality, a group of criminals have used "religious freedom" as an excuse for criminal activity.
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France; the government is eradicating the words 'father' and 'mother' from all official documents
As with the previous so called evidence it stems back to a set of lies originated by Peter Saunders, although this one was also spread by Fox News
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Latest official data shows that only 0.7 per cent of households are headed by by a same-sex couple. Not all of them want or will enter a same-sex marriage.
Latest official statistics show that only 0.56% of households are Jehovas Witnesses. Does that mean that they should not have their right to religious observation protected by law? Since they are a minority, does it give the rest of us the right to force them to have blood transfusions? You still haven't answered my question about how small does a minority have to be before it loses its right equality before the law.
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Other polling that purports to show public support for gay marriage fails to tell respondents that equal rights are already available through civil partnerships.
That is because unlike the polls that you cite Independent unbiased polls do not deliberately lie. Civil partnership does not grant full equality. I have already cited one such disparity, follow your own advice. Learn to read and digest the information that you have been given in response to your lies instead of mindlessly reposting the same tired old lies that have already been demonstrated to be lies.

Can we now accept that I have actually read post 1432 and the reason that I do not accept it is because every part of it is in fact demonstrably wrong

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As already stated although the case of Savita Halappanavar is deeply sad (though it's in no way conclusive that an early abortion would have saved her life),
Based no doubt on your medical examination carried out at the time Doctor BigotD. I wondered who it was that condemned her to three days of agony before she died in a so called civilised society. I hope your own wife (who you consider to be an item of property) feels happy that you would cheerfully watch her suffer and die to satisfy your religious fervour. By the way, I have no recollection of a degree in geology being a valid medical qualification on which to make a diagnosis, I quoted her survival based on statistical survival rates for middle class women presenting at non first-world hospitals for similar treatment. Not guaranteed I will agree, but at least they would have tried to help. As an Indian woman, she would have had better treatment in Pakistan than she got in Ireland, and relations between India and Pakistan have never been exactly cordial.

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The Bible does not condone homosexual acts and pretending marriage applies to same sex relations will not make that any different.
The bible makes very few comments concerning homosexuality, and most of these are in the old testament along with abominating shellfish, and referring to bats as birds. One thing that both the old and new testaments of your holy book strongly condemn is lying, as in bearing false witness. In an earlier post you accused me of committing incest.
I have already asked you to retract this unfounded and inaccurate statement and to apologise, but you have chosen to ignore this request. What part of the bible gives its supposed adherents the ability to ignore the law of the country as pertaining to libel?

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And don't get me started on the ability to procreate and provide male and female role models for children!
So.. My wife is post menopausal, meaning that the production line has closed down, and there will be no more children from her. So do I chuck her out and get a 1985 model baby factory so that we can proliferate like maggots on rotten meat?
We can only maintain exponential population growth for so long before we both run out of resources, or drown in our own effluent. Exponential population growth leading to drowning in toxic waste is how beer and wine are made, but I would like to believe that humans are at least a little bit smarter than the average yeast cell.

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A really good article on the issue of marriage equality:

Gerry Hassan Article - Newsnet Scotland

Sums up the issue rather nicely.

Cheers,

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You support the murder of babies


As has already been stated.
A seventeen week foetus is not a baby.

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human's are made in the image of God and whethter she thinks it's right for a civilised society to legally allow babies to suffer dismemberment inside their mother's uterus?


Of humans are in Gods image why is a foetus made in a tadpoles image ?
Oh yes it is an example of evolution in progress.

BTW. With the out of control spiral in human popluation what is better, allowing abortions or starvation for those that are born and live in a too crowded world ?

Of course prevention of unwanted pregancies is the best idea but you lot don't accept that either. "Go Forth and Multiply" may have been a relevant idea when the world population was measured in 100s of thousands but now it is measured in 1000s of millions, some of the stupid ideas in the Bile need a desperate rethink.

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As a non-Christian and aggressively anti-God one at that, who are you to attempt to tell me which bits to pick and choose from the Bible? Would you have me burn the rest?!


I thought it was always the religious that went around burning books !

To be honest though you may as well burn the entire bible. If you manage to find any bits that make sense or are relevant today, there is not much left of it. Those couple of words won't go amiss.

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@BillD

Christians burn Muslim cuz thou shall not kill appears to be some sort of loose guideline.

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Atheists become dictators and kill all minorities and people of faith - newsflash. Oh yeah that was the big story of the 20th century you must have missed that one!!!


Name: Joseph Stalin
Religion: atheist
He is estimated to have been responsible for possibly 60 Million Deaths.


Name: Adolf Hitler
Religion: atheist (actually attempted to get Germans to worship him and attempted to eliminate faith in God).
Estimated to be responsible for the deaths of 11 million people.

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ROFLMAO...

Erm BigD... I hate to break the bad news to you but ATHEISM IS NOT A RELIGION...

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It's a faith in humanity to find fulfillment despite turning their back on a creator God! Foolish I know

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Gawd is a dictator and kills those whom don't agree with his word... newsflash


Name: God AKA The Almighty, AKA The One And Only True Gawd, AKA The Invisible Man
Religion;/Nutter
Estimated to have killed countless billions during his reign of one entity terror...

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Actually hitler was part of the Deutsche Christen movement which was a radical protistant movement. he also supported Positive Christianity. If you had read Mein Kampf you would know this. We had to study hitler as part of our world war two history clases at school.

But I have to hand it to you that Joseph Stalin was an athiest.

I know I said I wouldn't get back into this debate after you questioned my profesionalism and claimed that I should be "treating" homosexuality as some sort of illness. But sitting back and looking at it all I think your a bit like those westboro baptists curch people. Excpet your more cbbc in your wording while they are more jerry springer.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/timstanley/100195000/the-hideous-westboro-baptist-church-are-picketing-the-newtown-funerals-their-perverse-logic-is-beyond-satire/

Same hyme different wording.

BTW enjoy the magical star child's birthday!

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