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SpaceDruid 
Re: Gay Civil Marriage In UK at a cost of £ 3.7 million
Posted on 10-Feb-2013 15:56:28
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@BigD

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Surely it MUST occur to you that when every person that contributes to this thread comes up with the same conclusion about your behaviour, the problem lays at YOUR end? You keep claiming conspiracy but this is blatantly ridiculous as if it were, the only person not in on it would be you.


TPod started this thread and there are plenty of people on this site that would debate from a pro-marriage viewpoint (some of which have given me personal messages of support) had it not been for the intolerant language used against marriage supporters e.g. "you bigot!", "you homophobe!". Being a marriage supporter is not directly linked to bigotry and homophobia as you, fairlanefastback and BrianK keep trying to make out.


It's rather sad that even when I make clear the distinction between people who disagree with same sex marriage and what you are doing, you still choose to pretend you are being victimised for disagreeing with same sex marriage and make no attempt to take any responsibility for your own actions.

I wonder then if this is intentional, or that you really don't understand what it is that you are doing?

Let me try to make this clear once again.

There are people, yourself included, that don't agree with this change in the law. That does not make you a bigot, nor a homophobe. Nobody here is making that claim. I make a point of saying that some people in the debate in Parliament actually make relevant and reasoned points as to why they would not vote for the bill.

What makes you a homophobe/bigot, is your viewpoint on gay people.

The two things are separate issues. Your attempts to merge the two are obvious to anyone reading this thread given the very high profile you've given to your views on gay people.

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What I think you are getting confused by is that the Bible condemns homosexual acts as sinful acts,


I have tried to debate this subject with you before, but apparently because I'm an atheist you are not giving me permission to do so. Regardless I shall try again.

There is one reference to homosexual acts being sinful and six about eating shellfish being sinful. So why are you not camped outside Tescos or Sainsburys or organising an online petition for their stores to be boycotted until they remove these sinful products from sale?

Do you have a beard? If you've shaved your face at any point in your life, you have committed a sin. So why are you not launching campaigns to rid the world of razors?

My point is, there are many things written in the Bible that are given more prominence than the one mention about gay people that you no longer choose to believe or follow, yet you still choose to follow this one.

Why?

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BrianK 
Re: Gay Civil Marriage In UK at a cost of £ 3.7 million
Posted on 10-Feb-2013 16:07:00
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@BigD

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TPod started this thread and there are plenty of people on this site that would debate from a pro-marriage viewpoint (some of which have given me personal messages of support) had it not been for the intolerant language used against marriage supporters e.g. "you bigot!", "you homophobe!". Being a marriage supporter is not directly linked to bigotry and homophobia as you, fairlanefastback and BrianK keep trying to make out
The language I used was not against your support of marriage. It was against your use of hate to discard gays and desire to keep them unequal in our societies.

For example, you claimed gays are constantly having affairs an average of 7 men a year. Even if true is not a reason to treat them unequally. That is a group average which provides little to no understanding of an individual. There are gays which have 0 affairs a year. In addition, there are straights which have affairs as well. But, you treat those straights inconsistently because you fail to demand that they can't be married. You are a bigot because you discard gays and excuse straights for the exact same actions.

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What I think you are getting confused by is that the Bible condemns homosexual acts as sinful acts
It also says Bearing False Witness is a sinful act, but that doesn't stop you. Should you no longer be married because you're a sinner?

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If individuals want to process these feelings in a healthy way they should seek help and therapy with Christian councillors who may be able to get them in touch with some conversion therapy organisations here in the UK
Unfortunately these 'pray away the gay' are based on pseudoscientific principles. Many complain of torture tactics and the use of drugs. Throw in that some of these have sexually exploitted their attendees and disseminate false information. The results are organizations that do more harm than good. And it starts out from the false pseudoscientific concept that there's something wrong with being gay.

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What has it got to do with you anyway?
I'd recommend you read Matthew. What you quickly find is your god-on-earth, Jesus, states over and over again that he wants us to help and equalize those that are unequal within our societies. Jesus states he is among us when we help the least of us. In short, Christ wants you to take others in society and care for them. If you read the actions of Christ he didn't help them by chasting them and discarding them. But, instead by embracing them as unique individuals and not discriminating his care. You are the rich money changer who manipulates faith and lies to harm others in society. Christ would break the shit out of your booth. Many of the atheists here are more Christ like than you are.

Edit: what would Jesus do with adulters? See John's Pericope Adulterae

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Re: Gay Civil Marriage In UK at a cost of £ 3.7 million
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@BigD

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had it not been for the intolerant language used against marriage supporters e.g. "you bigot!", "you homophobe!". Being a marriage supporter is not directly linked to bigotry and homophobia as you, fairlanefastback and BrianK keep trying to make out.


You have proven yourself to be a bigot based on the direct things you have said in regard to homosexuals which go well beyond the issue of marriage equality. I.E. They are all promiscuous, spreading diseases, who are out to steal children away from normal society to fill their ranks and sexually abuse etc.

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Re: Gay Civil Marriage In UK at a cost of £ 3.7 million
Posted on 10-Feb-2013 17:46:28
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@SpaceDruid

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@BigD

It's rather sad that even when I make clear the distinction between people who disagree with same sex marriage and what you are doing, you still choose to pretend you are being victimised for disagreeing with same sex marriage and make no attempt to take any responsibility for your own actions.

I wonder then if this is intentional, or that you really don't understand what it is that you are doing?


I think at this point we have to take it as intentional.

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SpaceDruid 
Re: Gay Civil Marriage In UK at a cost of £ 3.7 million
Posted on 10-Feb-2013 18:03:31
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@fairlanefastback

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I think at this point we have to take it as intentional.


My only other experience with talking online with a person like D was when I was involved on a thread on another website with a paranoid schizophrenic who fully admitted his diagnosis, but kept claiming it had nothing to do with the gang secretly stalking his every move or listening to his thoughts.

Sometimes people are just not aware of their own actions. Even if they are obvious to everyone else.

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Moxee 
Re: Gay Civil Marriage In UK at a cost of £ 3.7 million
Posted on 10-Feb-2013 22:11:43
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It's plain to see now that, following Parliament's landmark vote, and facing the very real prospect of losing the fight, BigD is starting to lash out at the other posters in this thread.

The dominant part of his personality is being laid bare for all to see. His rampant vitriol, hate, anger, denial, bigotry and homophobia are now getting free reign in this forum.

Some of us, including myself, have given BigD a bit of leeway- some have even laid off a little, citing concerns about his mental health, but this man is no longer deserving of our respect, or our compassion.

I know this is a free for all forum, and the mods have used a light touch approach to date (they let me off with a very direct post several weeks ago) but I think we need to draw this to a close.

All but one (two if you count the OP, who left the conversation aeons ago) of the posters favour equal marriage rights, and have consistently backed up their arguments. BigD has continually regurgitated nonsensical arguments, all of which have been effectively rebutted.

Can I therefore suggest that we bring this thread to a close, safe in the knowledge that we are all right, and BigD is wrong. My patience with this odious little man has worn away to nothing, and I think we all have better things to do that spectate on the mental demise of a fellow human being.

Mods? Anyone else?

Cheers,

AndyC


We have had a discussion in staff and our consensus is that this thread has run its useful course. The staff makes no conclusion that someone is correct and others are not.

Therefore, this thread is now locked.

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tomazkid 
Re: Gay Civil Marriage In UK at a cost of £ 3.7 million
Posted on 12-Feb-2013 21:38:20
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Opening this thread to add one post.

A link to a Youtube video I saw today.
Despite if one is for or against gay marriage, this video might give some insight of what it means legally for a couple, the difference it makes to be married or not, when one in the couple dies.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pR9gyloyOjM&list=HL1360701647

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