I found this finally
biblical forms of marriage

@BrianK

Keep on topic. Not everyone who supports C4M is religious. It is broad coalition of supporters of marriage. Just because we are not 'liberal think-tank' dreamers with ideas of dangerous unproven social engineering, it is no reason to dismiss us. The real 'salt of the earth' people know that marriage is the bedrock of society and that it shouldn't be messed with. Most of my neighbours have signed the petition with no problems and there are no church goers amongst them to my knowledge.

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@Thread

Check out the studies regarding the benefits of a child being raised by both a father and a mother

HERE

Although both a mother and father improves the child's outcomes, marriage improves them yet further;

A 2010 paper from the Institute for Fiscal Studies observed that, by the age of three, there are "significant differences" in child outcomes between children born to married parents and those born to cohabiting parents. Children born to married parents showed superior social, emotional and cognitive development.

A team of 18 academics published a report in 2011 which examined over 200 separate social science studies on cohabitation, marriage and the welfare of children. The report concluded:

-A child who is not living with his or her own two married parents is at greater risk of child abuse.

-Children who live with their own two married parents enjoy better physical health, on average, than children in other family forms;

-Cohabitation is associated with higher levels of psychological problems among children.

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@BigD

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According to figures cited by the Centre for Social Justice, fewer than one in ten married couples split by the time their child turns five compared to one in three of cohabiting couples. Some 97 per cent of couples who stick together until their children reach adulthood are married.

This goes back to my point about 2 gay Dads getting married. If marriage decreases the odds of the two parents splitting then it's a good idea to offer the gay parents that 97% chance of keeping their family together. But you want to ensure the family has the worse odds thereby worsening the chances for the kid.

@BigD

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Keep on topic. Not everyone who supports C4M is religious

. This is on topic as it shows us that your idea that marriage is one man and one woman to the exclusion of all others is not the constant you claim it to be. If one accepts the idea that the bible has any value of historical record then we have records of different family structures.

@BigD

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Check out the studies regarding the benefits of a child being raised by both a father and a mother

. When are you going to front the removal of divorce so half of the kids are no longer raised with only 1 involved? Also are you going to require all married military members to quit? Cuz they put their lives in harms way in wars which results again with one parent being absent.

@BigD

Again, very naive. I have no father, he died quite some years ago, and you know what? It was the best thing that ever happened to me. He was an evil, sadistic, masochistic scumbag. My quality of life improved greatly once he passed on.
Im far from the only person in a similar situation as well.
Youve also suggested that people who have parents pass on that werent evil have a higher potential to becoming maladjusted.
Funny enough, and you obviously dont see it due to your bigotry, but quite a number of your "arguements" acttually support the idea that same sex marriages could benefit a childs upbringing.
Your faith blinds you to reality, and to some of what youre typing apparently.

@BrianK

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If one accepts the idea that the bible has any value of historical record then we have records of different family structures.

Yeah, and those family structures were anything but ideal. It was King David's lusts after multiple wives that led him into sin and ended up with him putting a military man in harms way so that he could sleep with Bathsheba and add her to his collection of wives!

@fishy_fis

I'm sorry your experience of living with your father was so painful. Sadly, there are always going to be bad fathers and bad mothers but thankfully they are in the minority. It is clear that other family structure on the whole put children under a disadvantage compared to married couples (i.e. the voluntary union of one man and one woman for life to the exclusion of all others). Homosexual marriages won't have a mother or father from the get-go and that means that the child with never have a mother or father, that is not acceptable and means same sex couples are basically ordering designer babies to placate their desire to emulate heterosexual marriage but it is impossible for them to do so.

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@BigD

@BrianK

Incorrect comparison designed to invoke a knee-jerk reaction and hatred.

Marriage is about procreation, civil partnership is about two people loving each other.

Period.

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@djrikki

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djrikki wrote: @BrianK Incorrect comparison designed to invoke a knee-jerk reaction and hatred. Marriage is about procreation, civil partnership is about two people loving each other. Period.

What a load of cobblers...

You don't have to be married to procreate, what kind of dumb statement is that !!!

Did our ancient ancestors have to be "married" to procreate... NO

If they did and there was no such thing as "marriage" then, none of us would be here...

Marriage is nothing more than a religious concept adopted over time by governing bodies and put into law, it is no a pre-requisite for procreation... PERIOD...

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@djrikki

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Marriage is about procreation, civil partnership is about two people loving each other. Period.

Because bodies can breed without marriage and because marriage laws do not require breeding I have to assume this comment was made with saracasm.

@Franko

I think he`s referring to the fact that two people of the same sex can`t procreate and civil partnership is for same-sex couples so...civil partnerships aren`t for procreation.

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Frags wrote: @Franko I think he`s referring to the fact that two people of the same sex can`t procreate and civil partnership is for same-sex couples so...civil partnerships aren`t for procreation.

Two women can... artificial insemination...

I've no doubt somewhere along the line in the future some crazy genetics scientist will make it possible for men to become pregnant as well...

Thank gawd I'll be long gone before then (don't fancy eating coal or shirt buttons)...

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@Franko

I bet they`ll be able to fertilize one woman with the DNA of another soon enough...

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@Frags

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I think he`s referring to the fact that two people of the same sex can`t procreate and civil partnership is for same-sex couples so...civil partnerships aren`t for procreation.

If the marriage law said 'only do this if you are going to have children' and the Civil Partnership law said 'only do this if you never will have children' we might have something to discuss. It's rather iInteresting that someone believes that a law contains something that's clearly not explicitedly or implicted written. Talk about foisting one's personal opinions upon a society. Wow!

@Thread

501,739 and counting!

Let's pray this is 'game over' for this flawed rewriting of one of our key bedrocks of society! The early signs look good as the Conservatives have taken a severe battering in the Council Elections and may now focus on legislation they have a mandate to implement and that people actually want.

Daily Mail: Cameron 'prepared to back down'

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@BigD

If you value polls here is one you may want to review. http://minnesota.publicradio.org/collections/special/columns/daily_circuit/archive/2012/05/poll-are-family-values-outdated.shtml

RIght now 83% are saying traditional family values are an antiquated concept.

@BigD

If you value polls here is one you may want to review. http://minnesota.publicradio.org/collections/special/columns/daily_circuit/archive/2012/05/poll-are-family-values-outdated.shtml

RIght now 83% are saying traditional family values are an antiquated concept.

@BigD

All that petition serves to prove is that there are 501,738 other sad, bigoted nitwits with nothing better to do with their time than actively deprive a minority section of our population with simple equal rights in law.

The sad thing here is that, rather than focusing on the issue of gay marriage, why haven't we seen 500,000 signatures on a petition rallying against the government's crippling austerity measures and the dismantling of the NHS?

People's priorities are all over the place.

Point to note, the Scottish National Party, who are in government in Scotland, increased their share of the vote and the number of seats (as did Labour) in the local elections. Since both are actively advocating gay marriage, clearly the issue had absolutely nothing to do with voters' habits here.

If anything, one could argue that since all the main parties in Scotland back gay marriage, then the 1.5 million votes cast were in effect rubber stamping this policy. Being an official election, this trumps your petition by a factor of three.

I suspect the fact that the Tories got such a kicking has much more to do with the complete mess they are making of the United Kingdom, rather than Cameron's desire to press on with gay marriage legislation.

As I said in a previous thread, Scotland will welcome homosexual couples to it's registry offices and participating chapels (because there are some, including in the Church of Scotland, which is willing to conduct religious ceremonies) and reap the benefits (both financial and cultural) arising from the change to the law.

Either way, regardless of what happens in the rest of the UK, we'll be just fine.

AndyC