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Re: Gay Civil Marriage In UK at a cost of 3.7 million Updated - you can sign petition after reading, if you want!
Posted on 24-Aug-2012 11:44:11
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Nice idea and yet a lot of scientists are Christians


Yes, indeed, I know many. But none of them believe in old testament fairy stories, and any that do have all the scientific credentials of a house brick - yourself included.

Did you ever watch Brainiac with Richard Hammond? Do you remember the old scientist in the shed that did the "will it fizz or will it bang" sketch? I met him at a friend's wedding a couple of years back - his name is Dr. John P. Kilcoyne, a Doctor of Chemistry and the Associate Dean of the University of Sunderland.

He is also a practising Christian and lifelong Labour Party member. I ended up in a fascinating debate with him and my mate's ex-girlfriend (herself a born again Christian) where he completely destroyed all her creationist nonsense - she was nearly in tears by the end of it, especially when he rounded on her vegan lifestyle (don't get me started on that!).

We discussed the origin of species, human evolution, human migration, technological advancement and so on. This is a man with very real scientific credentials, who belives in Christ as redeemer. At no point are his beliefs at odds with his scientific position, which is the same for countless religious scientists the world over.

Your kind of science is anti-science and anti-progress, and deserves absolutely no merit whatsoever.

Also, as to your comment about liberals "foaming at the mouth", it seems to me that you are the only person displaying the characteristics of a rabid animal in your hysterical pronouncements.

When will you get it through your incredibly thick, evolutionally underdeveloped skull that, irrespective of how few homosexuals are asking for this legislation, and irrespective of how many people protest against the introduction of this legislation, it is still the right and proper thing to do - to eradicate discrimination wherever possible.

Oh, and please answer the questions asked and don't be such a coward - have some strength in your convictions for pity's sake.

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Nice idea and yet a lot of scientists are Christians, so the whole science versus religion thing falls flat. Tell why you think the big bang, M-theory and the Anthropic principle are more compelling THEORIES to you than the fact an ordered universe requires a creator?


Well we've already established that you have no clear understanding of science, the scientific principle or even what evidence is, so it's safe to assume that you can't classify yourself as a Christian scientist. I'm not even sure you can class yourself as a Christian as that religion teaches tolerance which you clearly lack.

In the case of a theory. Religion isn't a theory, it's a belief. There is no supporting evidence to back up the existence of God and as already proven time and again in this thread, the Bible isn't even a reliable history source.

I'm not the first to point this out in this thread, but I'll do it again as you clearly don't understand what a theory is.

Theory
noun
a proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural and subject to experimentation, in contrast to well-established propositions that are regarded as reporting matters of actual fact. Synonyms: idea, notion hypothesis, postulate. Antonyms: practice, verification, corroboration, substantiation.

The key there is "subject to experimentation"

If an experiment can show it to false, by either finding something that fits the clues better or by showing errors in the evidence that led to it's creation, it no longer is a theory.

The Big Bang theory has supporting evidence that points to it being correct, however there are not sufficient quantities of evidence to classify it as a fact. Therefore, when regarding the Big Bang in scientific calculation, it is done so with the full knowledge that it may be incorrect.

Geology on the other hand, is a scientific fact. It does have sufficient evidence that is subject to experimentation and in all cases, the experiments provide the same conclusions each time you run them (Oh and just in case you raise this red herring again, carbon dating is not geology).

In in very basic terms that you might have a grasp of understanding, I can prove a hammer is stronger than a plate glass window because regardless of how many times I strike the window with a hammer, the glass always breaks and never the hammer.

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the fact an ordered universe requires a creator?


Two points. 1st point, yes it did. One of the current theories is the Big Bang. Though there are others of equal merit, that is the one you are likely most familiar with. But that is also true in an unordered universe, which brings me to point 2

If this Universe was not ordered, there would be no sentient lifeforms present to observe it.

Again, I will try to simplify that as best I can as you have difficulty with your comprehension. There could and almost certainly were, infinite universes that have formed and will form. However from our best understanding, no sentient being would be present in the unordered ones to say "Bugger, better luck next time."

Your proposal that an intelligent designer (God) created the Universe makes absolutely no sense unless you can explain who created him/her/it and where exactly they were standing while they were doing it.

Is God in our Universe? If so, then either he was created along with our Universe (in which case, I repeat, who created him?), if not he is not capable of interacting with his creation because he is outside of it (and again, where is he and how did he get there?)

There are hundreds of years of gathered scientific knowledge that allow us to come up with our current scientific facts and theories, all subject to the same rules of experimentation and scrutiny. Using this method, we have cured diseases, extended human lifespan, travelled to other worlds and even began to understand the Universe in which we exist, as well as greater understanding of how the mind works which means we even have theories asto why humans came up with the notion of God. So we must be doing something right?

In contrast, organised religion has tried to repress scientific knowledge and further understanding and has continued to put forth as truth, belief that does not withstand the same conditions that science is subjected to, ie; when subject to experimentation, it is proven to be flawed and results can not be duplicated.

There is nothing factual about God, there are considerable discrepancies in the Bible (and indeed all the religious books). And very importantly for somebody that believes the Bible is the true words of God, the Bible has been very heavily edited by humans where passages have been scrapped or rewritten - We have proof of this.

So how can a reasonable man, possibly consider a book that consist of edits of varying books written hundreds, sometimes thousands of years apart by people with very poor understanding of the workings of the world in which they lived, with glaring factual errors, possibly be a more reliable source on which to base their understanding of life, the universe and everything, than a scientific process that can be demonstrated to work by anyone, including yourself?

Could it be that you are not a reasonable man? Could it be that the Bible isn't the word of a Super being that knows all? Could it be that the reason you have come to view the world as you do is because you have been deceived by your fellow man?

You have no trouble thinking the scientists have lied to you, even through they can demonstrate how they came to their conclusions with practical experiments that you can repeat yourself, so why do you have a problem thinking that the religious people that cannot demonstrate how they came to their conclusions with practical experiments, or even offer any proof at all are any more reliable?

Could it be that you are wrong?

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Re: Gay Civil Marriage In UK at a cost of 3.7 million Updated - you can sign petition after reading, if you want!
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He's married and is attracted to his wife and not interested in casual sex with men. That my friend is classed as the prayers for the feelings of same sex attraction to be removed being answered! Praise be to God!

My understanding of God, from the Pastors who educated me in Lutheranism, is that God is not only interested in actions but what is truly in men's hearts. He fully admits he is attracted to men, while still being married to his wife. Thus, his heart is split. Though he may make the right action (according to your faith) he's not out of the clear. His same sex attraction has not been removed.

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Tell why you think the big bang, M-theory and the Anthropic principle are more compelling THEORIES to you than the fact an ordered universe requires a creator?
First this 'fact' has not been established by observation. No one's seen such a creator. It's really an opinion.

Is the universe ordered or unordered? I'd argue the universe isn't in a finished state but a transitional one. What we see is order amist the chaos. What we also see is that order is short lived compared to the lifespan of the universe. If we could step outside the universe and see it's entire lifespan I think we'd say it's unordered.

Order can result from an unordered system. Think of flipping a coin an infinite number of times. Intermittently patters will emerge. T/H/T/H/T/H might be seen as an ordered patter. As well as TT/H/TT/H/TT/H.

....

Let's fall back on your thought that an ordered universe requires a creator. - Let's assume the universe is ordered and requires a creator. That in no way implies the creator has to give a damn after day1. Several of the USA's founding fathers where Deists. A Deist has the belief that some being (typically called God) put the universe into action and then toddered off to do something else. The Diest God is kind of like a game designer. The game designer creates the rules and the system in which the game will be played. The game designer never checks into your home or my home to make sure we're following the rules. They simply don't care to that extent.

We do not know that the Universal Creator gives a rats ass about our backwater little planet, let alone us as individuals. Many different religions believe this creator cares. So they write books to reflect their belief. Doing so in now way establishes truth. It really is no suprise that the morals and characteristics assigned to the Gods are a reflection of that society. Anthropomorphism at it's finest.

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If this Universe was not ordered, there would be no sentient lifeforms present to observe it.


Hate to disagree with you on that one but in the past 5, 10 and 15 years with all the probes and devices we have sent into space, the data from them has proven that the universe and even our own galaxy is far more unordered than even the best scientific minds had believed could be possible...

Our little solar system and it's ordered structure (relative in terms to all others) is it seems the odd one out and some of the amazing images and data sent back in the past 15 years has turned most thinking upside down with the discovery of just how really chaotic things are out there beyond our cosy wee solar system...

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Hate to disagree with you on that one but in the past 5, 10 and 15 years with all the probes and devices we have sent into space, the data from them has proven that the universe and even our own galaxy is far more unordered than even the best scientific minds had believed could be possible...


By unordered I meant no rules of physics etc. ie, a universe where matter could not exist.

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The redefinition a marriage will obviously lead to more children being without either a mother or a dad that one is obvious
It may be obvious to you, but as I have already told you. The new law will not dissolve existing marriages. Since existing marriages will not be annulled, there is no way that there will be an upsurge in children living in broken homes.

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it takes a wealth of evidence in order to reach a proof
Indeed it does, and one DT poll repeated four times does not constitute "a wealth of evidence". The fact that there in one poll that you claim to be less than pristine does not invalidate all of the others that directly contradict your minority opinion. Even the Daily Mail article that you linked to had to admit that the majority of public opinion supports the change.
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At least the Coalition4Marriage don't have to blatantly fiddle the number to prove they have the majority viewpoint!
Leaving aside the point proved by BrianK that the poll is susceptible to "ballot stuffing", you are still ignoring the simple fact that your poll does not constitute a majority. The voices inside your head, and your invisible friend do not count.

The simple fact is that whenever a law is proposed that reduces the power of your chosen minority to interfere in the lives of the majority, self opinionated holier-than-thou bullies such as yourself preach that the end of civilisation will result from the changes, but somehow it never does.

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The simple fact is that whenever a law is proposed that reduces the power of your chosen minority to interfere in the lives of the majority, self opinionated holier-than-thou bullies such as yourself preach that the end of civilisation will result from the changes, but somehow it never does.


You to again be confused at this majority/minority point. The majority that I speak of is the greater British public that value marriage and do not believe that the Government has a mandate to start redefining words and institutions that are as important and cherished as marriage. However much you wish it was only Evangelical Christians that support marriage, it is a far larger and more diverse group than just this one portion of society.

While we're on the subject of the massive majority in favour of keeping marriage just the way it is for the benefit of ALL society;

HERE is the C4M petition soon approaching 600,000 signatures!

Where's the equivalent call for the law to be changed? It doesn't exist does it? There is no public mandate or public appetite to inflict this sort of redefinition on our cherished institution of marriage. We should be promoting marriage instead of trying to undermine it! That £3.7million could be put into the pot for that long promised Tory manifesto pledge for the married couples tax allowance; a far better use of public money that will encourage the next generation to make a lasting commitment to each other giving the majority of children a better chance of having both a mum and a dad who will stay together throughout their childhood and beyond. Focusing on homosexual marriage which will have little take up even from the homosexual community that is itself a tiny minority and which ultimately has no net benefit on society is a waste of money and effort.

As a final aside. Here is Nicola Sturgeon doing her best impression of looking like she gives a monkeys about the concerns and beliefs of the 64% of Scottish consultation respondents against her Redefining Marriage plans.


It's a sad state of affairs when you can see the cold dead eyes of a politician who thinks they are above democracy!

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However much you wish it was only Evangelical Christians that support marriage, it is a far larger and more diverse group than just this one portion of society.


Lots of people support marriage including the people on this thread, the only one that seems to have a problem supporting marriage is you!

Even something as mind splittingly obvious as this you manage to twist onto its head to suit your own agenda.

And it doesn't matter how many times you link to that petition, it doesn't make it any more valid. As pointed out more times than their are atoms in the universe, there are so many flaws in the way it's conducted there is no way to verify if these are real numbers or not (4chan pranked MTV by voting Rick Astley as the greatest singer of all time by exploiting such insecurity and you are saying rabbid bigots like yourself who present false evidence routinely are above such things? Spare me) and even if they were, they DO. NOT. REPRESENT. THE. MAJORITY. OF. VOTERS. IN. THE. UK.

The majority of the people in the UK that voted in the last democratic election, voted for parties that support gay marriage. If there is an example of what the feelings of the majority of people in the UK are, then that is it.

Furthermore, you have quoted one poll, others in this thread have quoted may others, that means your poll is in the minority and the ones that others have quoted are the majority. By your own arguments, your poll should be ignored as it is outnumbered.

You can't have it both ways, either the rights of the minority should be respected, or they should not. If so, then you have NO right to prevent gay marriage, if not, then your poll has no value or meaning.

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As a final aside. Here is Nicola Sturgeon doing her best impression of looking like she gives a monkeys about the concerns and beliefs of the 64% of Scottish consultation respondents against her Redefining Marriage plans.


Being a Scottish constituent and knowing many others whom are the same, I can tell you first hand not one of us has been "polled" by anyone representing that 64% you keep posting about...

I ask you again, how many people were polled in that question, a tiny minority I'll bet and so they represent nothing except the views of said tiny minority which by you own standards here counts for nothing, let alone the 64% of Scottish people you are trying to twist it to suit to your own personal agenda...

BigD (I'll call you Twisty from now on), Twisty, I'll give you this much your a stubborn old bugger but even so, no matter how stubborn you try to be here every single one of your arguments and claims have been shot full of holes here by various people but you seem hell bent on making a total fool of yourself...

Give it up Twisty, there's more important things in life than driving yourself even further round the twist, especially over something that will have no personal affect on you...

But of course you're free to carry on and continue to make a fool of yourself (or until this board runs out of space to store your never ending nonsense)...

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Bigot D really helps pull people together though doesn't he?

Here we all are, people from all backgrounds and walks of life, all united against stupidity and bigotry.


BigotD, where were you during the Red v Blue wars? We could have really used you then!



Edit: Oh and I'm in Scotland and nobody asked me what my views were either, I guess they don't regard cows with aliens living inside their minds as having a valid opinion. Bigots AND speciesists!

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I like where you say that the 3.7m could be used for tax breaks for married couples, encouraging them to stay together. So even if their relationship deteriorates to the point they can't bear to be around each other, you are saying they should stick together for the tax breaks, for god or for the kids.

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Being a Scottish constituent and knowing many others whom are the same, I can tell you first hand not one of us has been "polled" by anyone representing that 64% you keep posting about...


Did you somehow fail to notice the Scottish Government have already held a consultation on this issue and 64% voted that the definition shouldn't change. The Scottish Government conducted the consultation and released the results, so argue the reliability of the consultation if you want but you'll be undermining the Scottish Government as you do so!! You failed to answer the consultation yourself despite your democratic right to do so, you obviously don't care enough about the issue!

Do you now see why the SNP are devaluing democracy by not listening to the majority? That's why the signs say "SNP not listening," and "SNP ignored 64%".

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@ Franko - Twisty! I like that!

@ Twisty

Around 150-200 people turned up to demonstrate at the Scottish cabinet meeting in Renfrew.

It's worth noting, again, that all political parties in Scotland support equal marriage rights, and have pledged to deliver legislation to this effect. So this is not a party political issue, rather a specific protest aimed at "protecting" the status quo.

In any event, what this movement needs to do is institute a formally recognised political party, gain sufficient donations to field candidates in every seat in the next Scottish general election, on the single issue of "protecting" marriage.

Then, after winning a majority in parliament, they can ensure that homosexuals do not receive the same rights and privileges of heterosexuals.

That, Twisty, is how democracy works. Much as I'm sure you hate that very simple fact.

So, instead of bleating on and on in this forum, perhaps you should try to organise the C4M movement into a legitimate political party, start fielding candidates for parliament, and sit back and wait for this "majority" of British public opinion to convert into seats.

Otherwise, kindly crawl under the rock from whence you came.

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So even if their relationship deteriorates to the point they can't bear to be around each other, you are saying they should stick together for the tax breaks, for god or for the kids.


The tax breaks would be there to encourage people who live together presently to solidify their commitment to each other and actuaaly get married. Who said anything about bribing people to stay together? They should work on their marriage and stay together because they pledged to do so on their wedding day not for any other reason!

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hen, after winning a majority in parliament, they can ensure that homosexuals do not receive the same rights and privileges of heterosexuals.


Another twist of the meaning of democracy. Our MSPs and MPs are MEANT to represent their constituents not just toe the party line like robots with no mind of their own. The MSPs are able to rebel against the wannabe dictator known as Alex Salmond and I'll continue to pray that's what they'll do i it comes to a vote.

P.S. For the umpteenth time homosexuals have the same rights as heterosexuals because they have Civil Partnerships and if they want to get 'married' they can marry someone of the opposite sex like everyone else!! Same doesn't mean equal.

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Indeed. There was a consultation. It was an opportunity to contribute to the wider debate. It wasn't a referendum, and nobody voted for anything, contrary to what you seem to think.

As to the results of the consultation, the government simply disregarded the ravings of lunatics like you and decided to ignore them. Thank God.

As an aside, I must admit that I really, really love that this pisses you off.

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@ Twisty

A "twist of the meaning of democracy"..? It's the fundamental basis for our political system for Christ's sake.

You do know that the SNP won a majority parliament in a system that was designed to make it impossible? I know that opinion is polarised with Alex Salmond, but even your parliamentarians hold him in the very highest regard.

Keep praying and see what that does for you...

And, for the umpteenth time, no-one agrees with you!

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Sorry,

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Did you somehow fail to notice the blah blah blah


I did notice that you used a quote I never said, twisting my words and failing to answer any of the questions that I actually put to you.

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The majority that I speak of is the greater British public that value marriage
I am actually a part of that majority, but let me assure you that you do not speak for me
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However much you wish it was only Evangelical Christians that support marriage,
Since I am not an evangelical christian, and I do support marriage I am fully aware that your self-righteous little clique do not have a monopoly on this matter. I do support marriage and have been married (to the same person) for long enough to raise three sons to adulthood. One of those fine young men is (possibly unlike yourself) a geologist, and as proud as I am of that fact I am even more proud that he has grown up totally free of the poison that infects your own mind, and I am not referring to religion either.

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While we're on the subject of the massive majority in favour of keeping marriage
A massive majority that I am part of. In fact I am so much in favour of marriage that I see absolutely no objection to the idea of allowing its benefits to be spread to those who have previously been denied the right to those benefits. Quote:
just the way it is for the benefit of ALL society;
And how does keeping a section of society locked out benefit them. It doesn't so it is not for the benefit of all society, just your prejudiced little hate society.

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HERE is the C4M petition soon approaching 600,000 signatures!
Yes indeed, after a huge campaign of lies, pressure, haranguing from the pulpit, advertising in obscure and unlikely locations, and ballot stuffing, the list of people that have been persuaded to list their name and postcode remains less than 1% of the population. You keep saying that your petition is not a single religious group effort and I believe you. Simply because this list of names (some imaginary) equates to 16% of the number of regular churchgoing christians in the UK. You haven't even convinced a majority of your core audience to ascribe to your notions.

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We should be promoting marriage instead of trying to undermine it!
And how better to support marriage than by spreading the benefits to those who for too long have been denied the right That doesn't mean that they have to get married, it merely frees them to do so if they choose. Your problem seems to come from those last three words, if they choose You really do not like people being free to live their own lives, free from interference, do you?

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As a final aside. Here is Nicola Sturgeon doing her best impression of looking like she gives a monkeys
about the twenty or so protesters who are part of a small group who polled their own members and a few neighbours and arrived at a figure of 64% agreeing with what they were told were the facts. Real polls from groups like MORI ask neutral questions, do not provide misleading information to bias responses, and use a method of blind sampling to get someting called accurate information. These are the polls quoted by others that directly contradict your own couple of carefully selected polls run by the Catholic Advertiser, or some anti-gay pressure group. I suspect that NS has seen these other polls, but is too much of a politician to tell the loudmouthed pressure group to p*** off

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It's a sad state of affairs when you can see the cold dead eyes of a politician who thinks they are above democracy!
I take it that the woman in pink is the one looking into the cold dead eyes of one who thinks that they are above democracy.

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The tax breaks would be there to encourage people who live together presently to solidify their commitment to each other
I do not require state funded bribes to bolster the nature of my relationship with my wife, and I resent the implication that either it should be needed, or that I am susceptible to bribery (Or at least that cheap)

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Another twist of the meaning of democracy. Our MSPs and MPs are MEANT to represent their constituents
Let me explain your style of democracy in terms that you may possibly have the ability to follow.
We have one tonne of toxic radioactive waste to get rid of, and a politician suggests dumping it in Twisty's front room. For 649 MP's that is a location that is not in their constituency, so on the basis that it is Not In My Back Yard, they vote in favour. Twistys MP abstains because although it doesn't affect most of his constituents, he has to show solidarity to Twistys cause. The majority is happy, so why is Twisty still complaining. True democracy protects minorities, and will defend Mrs Twistys right to live without the hazard of having a one tonne lump of toxic waste perched on her sofa.
This may explain why we have access to divorce.

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P.S. For the umpteenth time homosexuals have the same rights as heterosexuals because they have Civil Partnerships and if they want to get 'married' they can marry someone of the opposite sex like everyone else!! Same doesn't mean equal.
Yes, and Rosa Parks should have moved to the back of the bus like a good little nigger, because it would have taken her to the same place regardless. You are so blinded by your own high opinion of yourself that you just don't see how you are to the rest of the world.

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