@broadblues

I'll take a look at SketchBlock next time I fire up my X1000 (tomorrow hopefully), but is there any OS4.x native programs that are comparable to D-Paint IV, or V, or to True Brilliance, for paint and animation work?

What are most people using to create new art work for Amiga games? I know, many of you are going to ask "What new Amiga games?"

My question should be, what paint and/or animation programs would you suggest to someone who wanted to create art and animations for a new OS4.x game, if they wanted to do all of the art, animation, programming and everything else all on an OS4.x computer?

Of course a combination of programs will be needed, including maybe software to scan images into OS4.x image manipulation software, like ImageFX. Since I am new to OS4.x, I have lots to learn about which Amiga 3.x programs work well under OS4.x, which need EUAE to run and what new OS4.x native software is available and what it can do.

Just looking for some suggestions from some of you more experienced OS4.x users.

Edit: I would prefer to stay away from Linux/Unix programs running under Amicygnix

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but is there any OS4.x native programs that are comparable to D-Paint IV, or V, or to True Brilliance, for paint and animation work?

I dont think there is any program on any platform that can duplicate the animation features of dpaint and brilliance..

good news is that when JIT UAE Is ready for OS4 you should be able to run those apps @ 060 speed!

@amigadave

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I'll take a look at SketchBlock next time I fire up my X1000 (tomorrow hopefully), but is there any OS4.x native programs that are comparable to D-Paint IV, or V, or to True Brilliance, for paint and animation work?

Personal Paint from Cloanto comes close, allowing you to do 2D bitmapped animations in up to 256 colors akin to what is possible with DPaint and Brilliance. It's a 68K program but runs well on RTG screens, thus works well in OS4.x. The only trick, I think, is getting it set to a proper screenmode to start with, then it runs fine.

For this type of animating, I can live in 256 colors. I only miss the "move" requester that is present in DPaint. If Personal Paint had this I wouldn't miss DPaint or Brilliance at all. But I miss them quite a lot.

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Of course a combination of programs will be needed, including maybe software to scan images into OS4.x image manipulation software, like ImageFX. Since I am new to OS4.x, I have lots to learn about which Amiga 3.x programs work well under OS4.x, which need EUAE to run and what new OS4.x native software is available and what it can do.

I don't play games and really am not at all interested in running programs in the EUAE environment. But I have been pleasantly surprised by the number of old 68K creative applications that work well under OS4.x. I also use ImageFX, Lightwave, Imagine and VistaPro, as well as Personal Paint and TVPaint.

Right at the moment I am spending a lot of time learning with Andy's native port of Blender. Tomorrow (because it's late here tonight), I'll download his new version of SketchBlock.

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I only miss the "move" requester that is present in DPaint. If Personal Paint had this I wouldn't miss DPaint or Brilliance at all. But I miss them quite a lot.

Yes that what I was referring to in my post..

I do like Photogenics 5, it runs on Morph havent tried on OS4 yet.

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Photogenics 5 works on OS4.1 - and I didn't knew it works with MorphOS...

@AmigaDave
The usual suspects (ImageFX, Photogenics, PersonalPaint, PerfectPaint, ArtEffect, fxPaint, TVPaint, XiPaint, ADPro, ImageStudio) all work with OS4.1 - there might be some incompabilities, but I had this with OS3.9 as well...
The only native apps of that kind are AFAIK GrafX2, LodePaint and SketchBlock.

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@broadblues

yes! smudge!!that's it!
hmmm i'm not a great painter but this has been done with your sketchblock on os4.1

@rebraist

Cool!

@cha05e90

I've never used Photogenics, but I'm gonna have to track it down and give it a go under AOS4.

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Well I would recomend my own SketchBlock if your needs are painting rather structured drawing.

Well I took your advice and had a play.

Lovely piece of software, shades of Photogenics but obviously without the full tool kit but I would think with a touch tablet it would be excellent.

Look forward to later releases.

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Would really like to see an OS4 native version of Photogenics 5 my favourite GFX program of all time! Wonder if anyone could persuade Paul Nolan to release sourse code or maybe even sell it to interested parties? Just a thought!

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sicky wrote: @All Would really like to see an OS4 native version of Photogenics 5 my favourite GFX program of all time! Wonder if anyone could persuade Paul Nolan to release sourse code or maybe even sell it to interested parties? Just a thought!

Same here sicky so much I even brought the Windows and Pocket PC versions as well

(added) but I quite like Sketchblock as well, just having to get use to it

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Same here sicky so much I even brought the Windows and Pocket PC versions as well (added) but I quite like Sketchblock as well, just having to get use to it

I was gutted when no Apple Mac (OSX) version showed up as would love to use it on my Macbook Pro!

What I need is an idiots guide on how to use Sketchblock because it looks very good but don't have a clue where to start!

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Cool painting

Smudge tool now implemented BTW (next release)

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@clusteruk

We need to compare notes on getting some of these Amiga 68k programs working without needing E-UAE on our X1000 computers.

I know that some of them may not run exactly like they do on the SAM460, or even a SAM440, due to the lack of 3D support in the X1000's Radeon HD video card driver, but hopefully this will be completed soon, and there will be no other reasons that software runs better on a SAM440, or SAM460, than it does on an X1000.

Another possible solution before the Radeon HD driver has 3D support, would be if OS4.1 has dual monitor support using two video cards, after either the X1000 onboard sound driver, or onboard Ethernet driver is completed, and one of those PCI cards can be removed, freeing up a PCI slot for a 3D supported video card to be installed in the X1000.

I installed LightWave3D a couple of days ago and got the Layout and Modeler screens setup and working, but I still need help in getting the rendering working, which might be a video card driver problem, or it might be something else, which I am unaware of how to fix.

I have heard that Number 6 is THE MAN, or one of the guys, that might be able to help me sort out my final issues with LightWave3D (and maybe with several other Amiga 68k programs mentioned in this thread.

It will be really great to get many of those programs running on my X1000 without needing E-UAE, but if I have to use RunInUAE to get some of them working properly, that is okay too.

Would like to hear from you to find out what you have working on your X1000, so please PMail, or email me when you have a free moment.

Edit: Big thanks to Mike Brantley for all of his help and patience via a phone call a few days ago. I really appreciate all of the help you offered.

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I've never used Photogenics, but I'm gonna have to track it down and give it a go under AOS4.

I did have a direct link which allowed you to purchase it from Digital River but there's a problem of some sort. Links from Idruna for Pocket PC and Windows version don't work either.
Paul Nolan seems to sell his other products directly from the Idrun site. I have emailed him to ask if the older products will be available again in the future.

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Of late I've been finding the DSI errors in ImageFX4.5 very annoying. I too am thinking about finding a suitable paint and image manipulation program. I found that Alinea is selling ArtEffect for $22 (USD), and its plugin collection for $22 (USD). I've never used said program, but have read that it works fine on OS4.x. Would anyone here recommend ArtEffect as a replacement for ImageFX?

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I tried the arteffect demo and found it very slow and not usable. Others have reported more success. Maybe it depends on usgae patterns or expectations.

What issues are you finding with ImageFX, some of the DSI's are avoivdable.

For example the text tool DSI's the second time you use it, but not if you delete th env vars it's sets in ENV:ImageFX/4

I'm still using ImageFX in combinations with SketchBlock, (it will be a while before sketchyblock stands alone for geeral purpose uses)

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@broadblues

Andy, ye be a Godsend! Twas the text tool that sorely vexed me (yes, I am using the less buggy version of the text tool found on the install CD).

Since, I will be able to use said tool again, I will definitely be looking into SketchBlock and its MAGIC server interface with ImageFX.

Edit: After I got home, I checked my ENV:ImageFX directory. The only thing there was JPEG_Smoothing. Is there another place in ENVARC that keeps the text tool settings?
Of course, if I link Sketchblock up to ImageFX, I could use Sketchblock & nepbm for my text needs couldn't I?

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I did have a direct link which allowed you to purchase it from Digital River but there's a problem of some sort. Links from Idruna for Pocket PC and Windows version don't work either.Paul Nolan seems to sell his other products directly from the Idrun site. I have emailed him to ask if the older products will be available again in the future.

I have e-mailed Paul as I have met him several times and have tried to convince him to assist in the matter

Won't hold my breath tho, no financial gain for him I guess!

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