As I was going through my old songs I have made with Octamed, I started wondering it would be nice to get them into some more compatible form like as Wavs for example.

I was recalling that there was a featrure in octamed to either burn songs driectly to CD as Audio tracks (propably means Wavs) or to save them as Wavs, however, When I tried to find this feature from my Octamed Soundstudio, I didnt. So did I remember wrong that there wasnt such a feature, or am i confusing it with some other program?

Plus, is there then any software that would nicely convert MMD2s into Wavs or something?

@Bugala

You can do it. OctaMED SoundStudion 1.03c supports mixing to disk as an AIFF I think. From there you can convert to .WAV file. The trick is to set the sound-card in the far right menu to disk, 16-bit. At least I think that's where you find the option.

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XMP has a WAV or AIFF output option (I forget which).

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xmp's med support is not 100%, for the best result, use UADE and export to wav.
uade is available on os4depot.

Last edited by spotUP on 24-Apr-2012 at 10:53 AM.

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xmp's med support is not 100%, for the best result, use UADE and export to wav. uade is available on os4depot.

Unless you are after "100% Amiga sound", I'd recommend using OctaMed SoundStudio instead. That way, you can create 44.1KHz 16bit file (frequency & bit depth that Paula cannot do), which results in higher quality mix, but as I said, "different from paula" (in a good way )

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Of course depends also on amount of channels. If it's 4 channels, each one gets its own 8 bits, and paula mixes all the different per-channel frequencies together. With >4 channels, the mixing is done in software, and the 4 8-bit channels are combined into 2 14bit channels. Playback rate will be constant, and slightly different from 44.1KHz.

Also, I'm assuming "max quality" (and with this I mean "as close to CD format as possible"), of course you can use 8bit sound, and frequency way below 44.1KHz. Also using close-to-44.1KHz mode requires you to use higher screen refresh rate than PAL/NTSC, but of course this shouldn't be an issue for uade.

Last edited by Jupp3 on 24-Apr-2012 at 02:16 PM.

@Bugala

Note that if you do this "audio rendering" you are pretty much mastering your songs and won't be able to edit them again since saving them as a big sample isn't really exporting them as another format.

Converting them to anoher tracker format would also be a good idea. But only if the conversion is accurate. And only if there is no common cross platform replayer code.

@Hypex

There is a fairly accurate MED to XM converter on the Aminet. It covers MMD2 to the best of its ability but there are some things on it that won't work. See the documentation for details.

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xmp's med support is not 100%

I hope you've pointed Claudio in the direction of any problem files!

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@Chris_Y

he surely knows about them.
they are obvious if things haven't changed since i checked it out.

is there any progress on xmp nowadays?

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I haven't noticed anything myself, mind you most of my MODs are Protracker. I would flag it up, don't assume things have been noticed, even if they are obvious to you they might not be to others!

v4.0 is "in progress". I have a v4 beta TuneNet plugin here.

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I'm not surprised if MED files don't convert correctly. The MED replayer routine does a lot of bad things when playing a module. I know this because I converted the ASM source to play on AHI and ran into so much so much trouble. By comparison ProTracker is cleaner!

Okay a live player is different to a fileformat but it did things like start a sample in one frame at zero volume but didn't write the sample start into the hardware register. Then a couple of frames later would set the start and volume correctly. Or start a sample at zero volume but didn't set the frequency correctly because a buggy routine trashed the value. Usually it just didn't cleanly start a sample and trashed registers for a few frames which really messed up AHI interrupt when trying to send sample commands to AHI! IIRC I had to cache all the values that the buggy code stuck in registers until the proper values were all one place. It was a mess!

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if you have aros than you might want to try schismtracker which also plays your old
.mod files

http://serk118.blogspot.co.uk/

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Okay a live player is different to a fileformat but it did things like start a sample in one frame at zero volume but didn't write the sample start into the hardware register. Then a couple of frames later would set the start and volume correctly. Or start a sample at zero volume but didn't set the frequency correctly because a buggy routine trashed the value. Usually it just didn't cleanly start a sample and trashed registers for a few frames which really messed up AHI interrupt when trying to send sample commands to AHI! IIRC I had to cache all the values that the buggy code stuck in registers until the proper values were all one place. It was a mess!

It is just that your code didnt emulate hardware properly.

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It couldn't. It doesn't emulate any hardware. It takes what the MED routine wrote to the hardware and sent it to AHI with a command to set a sample, set volume or set frequency. Redirecting the code to AHI as it was just messed up AHI completely and it couldn't do its job.

It's amusing how I point out bad things I find in other code and yet somehow it's still my fault.

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Hardware registers dont work like AHI does.

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Thanks from all the replies.

A bit more information is in place perhaps.

My MEDs are on A1200 that is connected to internet. However, that connection is not very stable and keeps crashing a lot.

And I have two main goals for getting my MEDs into Wavs.

1. My first, immediate goal, would be that I would like to get them into some format, that would be more transferable (in sense that people know how to play them) so i could send some of the songs for some people to listen to.

2. I would like to be able to transfer MED files into some format that I could later use to make OGG Vorbis files to be used by some Hollywood projects.



Here are the things to take into consider.

1. Quality, of course the better the nicer.

2. Simplicity, how easy it is to do it, the better of course, but if it comes with too much price of a quality, then rather the bit harder.

3. Which has to do with 2 is that My A1200s internet connection is pretty bad and keeps crashing.


Therefore, if i can get best quality by making MEDs into Was directly in Octamed Soundstudio, then that is otherwise very fine, except i propably need to send each song separately and theres a good chance i need to transfer them more than just once to actually get it done due to sie of the wav files.

And from that arises that question about that xmp format. Was that a scream tracker format, and isnt there a scream trackder players in PC too?

Meaning that i could maybe first convert them into XMP formats, then transfer them in batches of 10 songs at a time (propably about doable without crash) and then convert them to Wavs on PC. But would the sound quality suffer from this, or would they otherwise sound very different from what I am hearing on my Amiga 1200?




And one more question regarding that Octamed Soundstudio. So how in practice do i do this conversion to RIFFs or whatever it was from Soundstudio since i tried to find option something like this, but couldnt?

The OCtamed Soundstudio i am using is the one that came with CU Amiga magazine which to my understanding is the last version of it (but i might be wrong on that)

@Bugala

The conversion option in OctaMED SS is under Mixing Settings - select Disk 16-bit. However, if the only way to get files off your A1200 is over the network on an unstable connection, I'd strongly recommend you to copy the original MODs off rather than doing the conversion there.

OctaMED can't save as XM (is this Futuretracker??) or S3M (Screamtracker), only load.

As far as I see it, once you have them copied off you have two options:
Run OctaMED SS (under emulation - I'm assuming you aren't copying to an OS4 or MorphOS machine) to output the AIFF files.
Run some native MED player for whatever OS you are running, and output a WAV (either XMP or UADE as per above)

I've never used UADE, but XMP is easy:
xmp -d wav -b 16 -f 44100 -o output.wav input.med

You should be able to script that if you have loads of files. Just be on the lookout for Spot's bug.

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@Bugala

SOX will convert file formats quite nicely. I used it a lot to convert IFF/AIFF to WAV before for editing on a PC (before their trackers allowed loading of IFF files directly over just importing wavs).

There are several ports of SOX for the amiga (and at least one is on aminet)

@Chris_Y

XM is FastTracker 2 actually. Wasn't a bad editor, but was DOS only. I found it better than ScreamTracker3 which even by DOS standards had a truly awful interface.

Fortunately programs like MilkyTracker load most of these older formats with no major problems (doesn't do MED though- but does export to WAV files for the formats it can load and play).

OMSS can load S3M (ScreamTracker 3) files, but not XM. It will not export them either, it only saves as MED formats (MED/MMD0/MMD1/MMD2) and a Protracker MOD compatible form.

The PC had DeliPlayer (which was a PC version of DeliTracker made by the same guys), which I used to have on my old 98/XP installs. Haven't tried it in Win7 so I am not sure if it still works OK, but that had perfect playback on pretty much everything DeliTracker supported with the option to save them directly as WAV for example. Sadly the official site for DeliPlayer is no more.

Last edited by _Steve_ on 25-Apr-2012 at 11:39 PM.

Okay, thanks.

I guess I start by first trying to save couple of MEDs as RIFFs or whatever it was and if connection seems to be too unstable to transfer them. Then maybe try find that delitracker to PC and save them as Wavs on that.