@Franko

Let me translate: I hate that the world has changed, and I'm not young anymore. Everything new is stupid because I liked thinks the way they used to be. You may try to reason with me, but that's a lost cause. I will gladly use new things without complaying as long it's not Computers because I used computers as a lad. Please, remove yourself from my lawn, let me complain about kids using Twitter and playing loud music.

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mmmh...

I am in the middle on this one....

Computer technology doesn't seem to have breakthroughs any more they are more of a continuous evolution than revolution.

Surely the x86 chips get faster (although they had to go the way of multiple cores because a single core hit the wall) and so do graphics cards but they evolve.

There is very little originality and playing a game on a touch screen device (mobile phone) is just plain wrong (apart from slicing fruit with your finger or catapulting birds).

While we are on the games for mobile phones....I never understood why people get so excited about them, most of them are clones of games we used to play in the '80s, just with more colours and more pixels. Weird.

TVs and monitors. This again is because the world has gone the "pc" way and I mean personal computer as we used to identify it against the Amiga.

We Amigans used to moan about the waste and ridiculous way of the pc market. I remember my friends saying:" Bah give it 3 months and it'll be old and worth 0" which is true.

Everything nowadays behaves in exactly the same fashion.

Going back to the TVs and monitors...I was horrified and sincerely offended when I got my first flat TV. Every program I watched was pixellated and it still happens at times. When HD came out things improved a lot but for a TV you better go 100Hz plus and let's not talk about VIEWING ANGLES, how is it that some members of the family have to be discriminated against while watching tv just because they are not sitting right in front of it?

Monitors, I don't regret switching late to flat screens, they were pants for a long time. Blurring/ghosting effects, tearing, viewing angles, ...I was so missing my CRT and my Amiga modes. But then the flat screen used less power and didn't weigh a ton and if you work in IT that means A LOT!

These days I am happy with my 24" BenQ 120Hz but even this beast has its bad points like many other TFTs.

So I don't agree that modern technology is all that great but it has its advantages.
I don't remember being impressed by anything since being in front of an Amiga 1000 running Defender of the Crown and Hybris.

That WAS memorable, my C64 had to go...maybe switching from floppies to HD/SSD, and USB sticks was memorable and Half Life 2

One thing that excited me about the Amiga and the C64 times was appreciating the skills of the programmers/sound and graphic artists, knowing how hard they had to work to squeeze the machine, these days all you have to do is upgrade.

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Then I believe I must be in the wrong place, or the retirement home for 80's computer fans.

To me, Amiga was exciting as it ushered in a new era of computers being able to handle all media types, a kind of "Multi Media", unfortunately the owners of commodore thought like a small number of people here, oh, that will do and so the Amiga stagnated and changed very little, except got a bit faster and two more bitplanes.

I will continue to try and find new areas we can go and inform when I do, or cover areas other people are taking our legacy. I wish Natami all the best and will patiently await any news rather than give up on them.

As for no break throughs, well yes computers evolve over time so some people miss them in all the evolvement noise.

for example

We can carry around a full computing power in our pocket and then plug into TV for full computing experience. Yes, typing letters, spreadsheets, watching 1080p movies etc.

We can now finally use speech recognition reasonably well enough to be useful on our mobile phone, this speech can be translated as well opening loads of possibilites thanks to the Internet.

To say that computer graphics has improved a bit, wow thats an understatement, with modern GPU's you can create almost life like video with depth perception all in real time.

We now have evolved transputer technology that can have 1500 cpu cores on a single chip that can give a terra-flop of computer performance in a boring desktop PC.

We now have enough computing power to start to teach computers to be intelligent enough to control new silicon lifeforms like Asimo, and I intentionally do not use Robot as I believe that internet based intelligence will be applied to these machines over the next twenty years much like we use the internet to carry out our speech recognition.

The internet

Oh please, this is the greatest invention on the face of the planet, the last was the printing press. To say it is just a communication system is like saying the book was good for tearing pages and wiping my backside.

Finally the PC is no longer the device we had years ago it is now evolved and has turned into a tablet, remember PC just means personal computer. So now it is actually our Tablets, our mobile phones, our laptops and high end desktops.

Anyway, I believe that using this amazing technology the Amiga OS's can still bring something fresh to the world, a usable and friendly experience that can utilise all of the amazing breakthroughs that have happened since the Amiga and some of you curled up your toes and prepared to shuffle off in this retirement home.

@theDaddy

Get a new flat panel TV and choose a better one, I have never had a bad flat panel, but there are many out there to choose from.

Steve

PS, a disclaimer,
I say Retirement Home with humour to be clear, although not in Franko's case :-p

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@clusteruk

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To me, Amiga was exciting as it ushered in a new era of computers being able to handle all media types

Amiga learned me that I can expect more from a computer. That I can control them, bend them to my will. Thanks to it I can enjoy my computers without clinging to the past.

If you had a pleasure of reading a fine, taste-formating, book as a kid, what's the better way of going forward? Opening yourself to world of literature, even if some of it is trashy? Or keeping reading this same book over and over again, arguing that this is the best and only story put on paper; to the point people think your crazy old man?

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@nikosidis

Perhaps try reading what I wrote rather than let your desire to be right get in the way?

Where did I say I can load a 2MP image instantly?
Where did I say PAL + old crt screens looks smoother or better?

I said no such thing and in fact didnt even touch on that subject of modern screens.

What I said was that moderate sized (in the context of the device) load almost instantly (which they do). Heck, I even went on to say if I want to go that sort of generic stuff I'll use a different device. My reference to PAL was to say yet again (ie. Ive told you before, but you selectively ignore it) that an amigas custom chipset isnt restricted to PAL resolutions or frequencies.

None of the above stop the original amigas have any less character.

The fact that youre aware I like, and have high spec gear as well (I wouldnt touch a P.O.S. ATOM for example as youre aware.... yes its orders of magnitudes faster than any classic amiga, but it's playing on a different field where it simply doesnt hold up for me) makes your responses here all the more curious.

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@clusteruk

>>Get a new flat panel TV and choose a better one, I have never had a bad flat panel, but there are many out there to choose from.


Well I chose the best one I could afford at the time. Even with a 40" 100Hz Samsung I still get pixelated programs, the ones not shot in HD look awful, stretched and the viewing angles are horrible even on high end screens. Move away from the "ideal" viewing angle (almost dead on) and you get different tones of colour...Flat screens are good as I said for weight, space and power saving.

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Surely I wouldn't got back to loading stuff from floppies or tape, that would be insane and yes 3D pc games (some of them) are good fun and they all look great but is it really a revolution? No.

The internet was a revolution, I am with Steve here, but it also depends what you do with it. For example I don't get social sites. Facebook, Twitter etc...I couldn't care less what a footballer has to say a few minutes after the match ended. Same goes for "celebrities" and politicians.

If they spent more time trying to solve problems and do their job properly instead of communicating every little thought that comes out of their heads, we'd all be in a better place.

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@clusteruk

Great video dude. I wished I had time to play with my classic machines, yet alone AROS... one day :)

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@opi

old man yells at cloud :) Oooh i had so much laugh...

@Franko

Get out of the cave.

@clusteruk

Nice watched the video on facebook. AROS is like what amiga wanted... Amiga anywhere :)

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Franko got it right with the statement a few posts back,

"The Amiga always has had the ability to inspire......".

Faster is better, more resolution is better, more xxxxx is better, but
not at the cost of being dragged into the mundane. Not at the cost of
handing control over to some profit hungry corporation that knows what
is best for you, as long as you stay between their lines.

Amiga is a choice. If something else soothes your soul, frees your spirit,
agrees with your performance benchmarks or windows compatability, go find
it and be happy.

Iam where I want to be, involved with what I choose, willing to invest time
and money, and have no need to look elsewhere.

Are you?

@TheDaddy

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TheDaddy wrote: Surely I wouldn't got back to loading stuff from floppies or tape, that would be insane and yes 3D pc games (some of them) are good fun and they all look great but is it really a revolution? No. The internet was a revolution, I am with Steve here, but it also depends what you do with it. For example I don't get social sites. Facebook, Twitter etc...I couldn't care less what a footballer has to say a few minutes after the match ended. Same goes for "celebrities" and politicians. If they spent more time trying to solve problems and do their job properly instead of communicating every little thought that comes out of their heads, we'd all be in a better place.

If I read anything better today than your last statement, I'll be totally stunned.
I'm almost tempted to sign up and add your comment to the guilty parties above.

Back on topic

The idea of running AROS hosted just doesn't do it for me.
How much overhead does that add?
I would like to see a video with AROS doing a little more than just opening a few draws.
Maybe showing a film or playing Quake, nothing too over the top.

What I would really love to see is AROS native on a Rasberry Pi.
Finally got to order one last night so fingers crossed.

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@Franko

In the old days I used Ppaint/Dpaint it was all fine, but now 256 colors is not a lot, and some times its nice to use alpha channel so pixels might blend into background, I use Gimp I don't love it, because I can't remember what tool to use or where its located in menus, anyway its about the results, of course I probably use gimp more if was fun and easy to use, I love to use TVPaint but it does not save PNG images.

If Paula sound was so great way is there no PC sound cards using it today, being able to playback what you have record is important if your making music.

There are many things you can do whit more CPU power you can't do whit out, making movies, emulation, browsing the net, rendering images using 3d programs, let me tell its no fun watching your computer work for days, I think it was parity unbelievable that Babylon the scfi series where made on Amiga using Lightwave.

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I dunno about Paula being all that bad, I was looking at a PC sound system in teh computer shop yesterday, bass plus 2 speakers for stero.

56db S/N.. 8 bit audio is 45 db, so you have to turn the volume right up before you can hear LSB distortion..but..

0.5% distortion?.. Thats one part in 200, against 1 in 256 for 8 bit digital.

Bandwidth was only up to 40kh, I recorded a cartoon theme at 32 khz sample rate, got a file size similar to that of a later aquired MP3.

Unless you have a decent system at excessively loud volume, theres little diference between 8bit with decent filters and 16 bit raw etc..

PCs run software designed to hammer the hardware, so you buy new hardware, then new software to make use of th new functions, etc.. Amiga was designed to be cooperative, which is far more than any current PC is.

When you can pick up an OpenGL coded game that runs on any OpenGL platform without recoding because its actually is using the OpenGL standard, then you have cooperative computing.

If you need an NDA to actually be able to code for something in widespread publically released use, unless you are in a position to have total control over what is coded and dont want people to actually be able to use the hardware freely, then you better be rich, or extremely exclusive.

Combine Raspberry Pi and OnLive, and you dont NEED powerful PCs to play the latest top end games.

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@TiredofLife

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The idea of running AROS hosted just doesn't do it for me. How much overhead does that add?

Having used it hosted on linux I would say not much, after all one can have windows apps running through WINE as fast as on windows and sometimes faster, why would AROS apps slow down that much? I would also believe that in the case of these smartphones, using AROS native wouldn't add much value to it, quite the contrary.

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@RodTerl

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RodTerl wrote: Combine Raspberry Pi and OnLive, and you dont NEED powerful PCs to play the latest top end games.

For OnLive service, you do need a good internet connection (speed/latency) with very high download limits. You are also moving towards highly dependent subscription/recurring cost service model.

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@pixie

You say not much but what hardware specs have you tried this on?
The Rasberry Pi has a 700mhz arm chip, so the overheads may be a bit more critical than the machine you have tested this on.

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@nikosidis

On the 060...

You have no idea what your talking about, I use an 060 everyday and the so called "incompatibility" you mention is very simple fixed even for the oldest of programs...

Prepare for a video of a 2MB JPeg loading if you think you'll have time to make the dinner then you'll be disappointed you may have just enough time to open a packet of crisps though...

On LCDs....

You're not very up to date on this subject either...

There is still to this very day not been one single LCD TV manufactured that doesn't have motion blur, no manufacturer has yet achieved zero milliseconds delay. If you don't believe that just read the specs of any LCD TV or call any major manufacturer and ask them...

Plasmas due to their very nature of the gas do indeed suffer from a form of motion blur as the gas cannot go from a lit state to an unlit state quickly enough without leaving a trail behind which is the cause of the blur (it's a bit more complicated than that) but as you obviously haven't a clue then I won't baffle you with the full answer...

Here's a challenge to you, show me an LCD TV currently on the market that has absolutely no motion blur (0 Ms response time) and I'll give you £1000...

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@opi

I'm afraid your translation doesn't work...

Firstly... I enjoy loud music, very load music...

I don't gladly use new things as long as they are not computers, I only gladly use new things if they actually work properly and are useful and not just because every one else without a brain uses them just because they think it makes them look cool or trendy...

There were no such things as home computers when I was a lad (at least not for the general public), so it would have been kinda hard for me to use one back then...

Yelling at clouds is a normal thing in Scotland as they are one of the things we see here virtually everyday and tend to block out something they call the sun which me grandad used to tell me about but I think he was fibbing but then we tend to yell at everything in Scotland, it's just part of our nature... NOO BUGGER AFF N GIT AFF MA GOAT...

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@clusteruk

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clusteruk wrote: We can carry around a full computing power in our pocket and then plug into TV for full computing experience. Yes, typing letters, spreadsheets, watching 1080p movies etc.

The miniaturisation of something is not anything new or hardly inovation, radios, TVs etc... have all done that but it didn't mean they were somehow groundbreaking or better just because they got smaller...
Watching movies is NOT "computing"...


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We can now finally use speech recognition reasonably well enough to be useful on our mobile phone, this speech can be translated as well opening loads of possibilites thanks to the Internet.

Not if you're Scottish you can't...


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To say that computer graphics has improved a bit, wow thats an understatement, with modern GPU's you can create almost life like video with depth perception all in real time.

Oh wow... that exciting... gfx so realistic you can't tell if they are real images or not !!!

Sigh... easily excited aren't you...


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We now have evolved transputer technology that can have 1500 cpu cores on a single chip that can give a terra-flop of computer performance in a boring desktop PC.

Even bigger sigh... the need for speed (yet again)...

And pray tell... what do you use all that speed for !!!

Watching a movie on your computer so fast that it's over in a fraction of the time perchance...


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We now have enough computing power to start to teach computers to be intelligent enough to control new silicon lifeforms like Asimo, and I intentionally do not use Robot as I believe that internet based intelligence will be applied to these machines over the next twenty years much like we use the internet to carry out our speech recognition.[quote] I recall the very same thing being said by "experts" back in the 70's... (I'm still waiting)... [quote]Oh please, this is the greatest invention on the face of the planet, the last was the printing press. To say it is just a communication system is like saying the book was good for tearing pages and wiping my backside.

So great only a quarter of the planet actually use it, while over 90% still use books as the main source of knowledge...


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Finally the PC is no longer the device we had years ago it is now evolved and has turned into a tablet, remember PC just means personal computer. So now it is actually our Tablets, our mobile phones, our laptops and high end desktops.

Whether it's a tablet, a mobile phone, laptop or desktop, if all you use them for is browsing the net, chatting to others, watching movies & listening to music then that does not have anything to do with computing...


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Anyway, I believe that using this amazing technology the Amiga OS's can still bring something fresh to the world, a usable and friendly experience that can utilise all of the amazing breakthroughs that have happened since the Amiga and some of you curled up your toes and prepared to shuffle off in this retirement home.

Seems you don't understand a thing about what I have said, having lived in a world where home computers simply didn't exist for the average person and being one of the first to embrace the technology when it emerged at the very start of the 80's, then take it from someone who's been there from the start... I know what I am talking about here from experience (and the retirement home is a long, long way off)...

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I will leave you to have the last word, because I want to move forward and you are happy in the past, enjoy.

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