From what little I have seen so far, I am very skeptical.

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Well TonyW is not too happy about CPU, if the FPU stuff can't be ignored then a redesign will be needed, will they redesign it, also be nice have a comment from HyperionMP on this, maybe they have not decided yet.

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IMHO that is because the people involved were not business-savy enough & have not enougn money to ever get an agreement for OS support (and in some cases they never intended to get OS support since it was all a hoax).

That's not my understanding of all the h/w proposals, but everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

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Well TonyW is not too happy about CPU, if the FPU stuff can't be ignored then a redesign will be needed, will they redesign it, also be nice have a comment from HyperionMP on this, maybe they have not decided yet.

Why you think that Hyperion should decide anything about it ? Nothing done, nothing out, nothing ready, noone have contact with them, authors do not know for last 10 years who even develop os4 (they think its H&P was, only that point on everything). And who will ever worry about a3000 , hobby accelerator project ? I mean, why you even think it can be done ? Did you think Hyperion (or MOS-team) have nothing else to do and have a lot of free time to "have fun" , in the name of "labor of love" ? I mean common ! We already have a lot of hardware for os4 and mos, just anyone go and buy it and use. No need to smoke dreams.

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Well, some times strange things happens.

Like C64 Ethernet adapter, people asked Jens Schoenfeld way?

Jens Schoenfeld reply was because we can, things is not always black and white, some people are willing to make it happen even if it does not make sense to most.

They have come a long way whit this, and I guess we see next few months if there concept is working or not

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Hypex wrote: @Shufflepuck Quote: Haage & Partner, seriously? Is this for real? ... Haage & Partner are an x86 company.

Then please tell me why they have an "Amiga section":
H&P's Amiga section
AFAIK they started as pure Amiga company, left the Amiga scene when Amino (AInc) took over and choose not to take MorphOS as next gen Amiga OS but to develop OS4 instead and today support PC, MAC and LINUX.

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It seems you're confusing them with BillMcEwing's Amino-AInc fraud gang...

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Like C64 Ethernet adapter, people asked Jens Schoenfeld way? Jens Schoenfeld reply was because we can, things is not always black and white, some people are willing to make it happen even if it does not make sense to most.

Then people started asking something more complex (and more useful) - a hardware 1541 emulator. Maybe Jens was just too busy releasing Retro Replay, MMC64 and later both together.

And then someone else released something that people had been asking for quite a while: 1541 Ultimate. That someone was called Gideon Zweijtzer.

Well, after that Jens has done his own, which actually is a full C64 emulator: Chameleon. Personally, I still prefer 1541 Ultimate.

Anyway, I don't have any hopes or personal expectations for this project, but as Gideon is involved, I'd say this has as much potential to get finished than any (non Phase5) classic PowerPC hardware together. Including those announced around the infamous anti-PowerUP fud campaign, not just the more recent ones.

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Of course that doesn't automatically make this "highly likely to succeed", it's just that many of the earlier "efforts" were clearly marketing, pure fud & wishful thinking.

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I suggest a SoC/CPU change: http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=6389&start=0&order=0#86104

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Wasnt their OS4 development project a hoax and didnt they refuse to give 3.5/3.9 source code to Hyperion?

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IIRC H&P refused to give their 3.5/3.9 code to Amiga Inc for the same reason that Hyperion refused to hand over OS4.0 - AI wouldn't pay for it.

There may be some parts of 3.5/3.9 code around (from ex-H&P devs), but without H&P's permission to use it, none has ever been used for OS4 (AFAIK).

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There may be some parts of 3.5/3.9 code around (from ex-H&P devs), but without H&P's permission to use it, none has ever been used for OS4 (AFAIK).

I don't think there's that much code "in 3.5/3.9", as (as I see it), they were mostly just bundles of (unofficial) 3rd party libraries / patches, such as WarpOS, ClassAct, NSD (while everyone else had already agreed on TD64), datatypes, TCP/IP stack (although not in unrestricted & legal form in either version), A-Web...

Sure, there were also minimal patches to the OS itself, such as in workbench, more sorting options, keyboard navigation etc. (although not sure if those were also based on some 3rd party patch, at least there are very similar ones available). Prefs were also rewritten to use ReAction.

I think at least in some case, Hyperion just "skipped the middle man" (H&P) and got the code from the person from whom H&P got the code in the first place. I think that's what happened with at least ReAction.

And who knows, maybe in some cases, H&P just got access to the compiled binary, and no sources?

And another question is how much of the code was in 68k asm, which isn't that useful for a rewrite to a different architecture.

Theres another thing that concerns me,its the way the components were soldered to the PCB.

most are ok and should not be a problem,but its the BGA that draws my attention. some user may not be aware that the board shown is soldered manually according to what I read on another website.

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Yes it looks that way, not too bad, its so easy to accidentally attach two pins that should not, I guess he checked the pins in a microscope.

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most are ok and should not be a problem,but its the BGA that draws my attention. some user may not be aware that the board shown is soldered manually according to what I read on another website.

That's probably because so far they only produced a few for internal purposes. I don't think they'll be hand soldering when they need to produce it in larger volumes.

@Jupp3

Well, since most of OS 3.5/OS 3.9 "improvements" were 3rd party, OS 4.1 has grown over most of it, without use of code.

However, producing OS 3.x upgrade card without no one to provide OS 3.9 / WOS drivers is kind of ... AmigaOS 4 path only.

Then 040 CPU is expensive and unneeded.

This could be ultimate card for OS 4 Classic and OS 4.1 Classic owners and if seen that way Hyperion might be willing to get some support for it

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Just curious as to why my post in this thread was deleted? I said nothing at all offensive or didnt try to make trouble. All I said was although an interesting project without wos or pup support what use will such a project be?

Slight sidebar, but why do people assume that people who want to upgrade thier classics want to use OS4?


edit: oops, my mistake. My response wasnt deleted. I thought Id commented here, but it was in the news item.

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@delshay

What exactly is the problem with hand-soldering chips on a protoboard? I would probably do the same. BGAs are actually easier than most people think. You can't solder individual pins, so you are forced to use proper tools (hot air).

People are resoldering their own Xbox GPUs at home with no prior experience, for pete's sakes.

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Well, since most of OS 3.5/OS 3.9 "improvements" were 3rd party, OS 4.1 has grown over most of it, without use of code.

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However, producing OS 3.x upgrade card without no one to provide OS 3.9 / WOS drivers is kind of ... AmigaOS 4 path only.

That assuming Hyperion would be interested in supporting this. And same for MorphOS team too.

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Then 040 CPU is expensive and unneeded.

It might be possible for the card to act either as 040-only accelerator (3.x) or PPC-only (4.0 / MorphOS).

And also, I guess many 68k users would prefer 060 (which of course would be even more expensive)

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This could be ultimate card for OS 4 Classic and OS 4.1 Classic owners and if seen that way Hyperion might be willing to get some support for it

The problem here is, I assume this will be at least as expensive as similar spec created-from-scratch PPC motherboard.

And wasting a perfectly good classic as a "power supply" for this (and increase risk of it breaking down and making also this board useless until you get a new one)...

On the other hand, it might be possible to create a "stand alone dock" for this, that would give board power etc. - You know, much like you can do with the Chameleon C64 emulator. Either plug it into a real C64 and use its keyboard, joystick ports etc. or use it in stand alone mode with PS/2 keyboard.

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Some people might want to see a dock with natami FPGA on it ....

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Some people might want to see a dock with natami FPGA on it ....

Yep, and some might prefer one with a coffee maker instead.

Both make equal amount of sense.