@ Clusteruk, Palone, Salass00

Thanks for all the info there, thats helped clear things up much better for me...

When it comes to the speed of things it's not really important for the project I have in mind. The project could be built from an A1200 with an 030 as basically all it will be doing is reading the raw audio data and sending this to the amplifier circuitry to be processed, the only other thing the "Amiga" would be doing software wise is, sending that data and checking for stop, play, pause etc...

As you can see nothing too taxing or requiring lots of processing power, and very simple to write the code for. A real Amiga motherboard is just too large for such a project hence the reason why I've been looking for something smaller like the Pi...

Think when it comes to coding in assembler there's been a bit of a misunderstanding here by what I meant. I dont' need an assembler package that runs under AROS, all the code would be written on an A1200...

All I require is something like AROS or some type of Amiga emulator that can run on the Pi and run my program just like it would any other piece of old Amiga software...


@ clusteruk

No I don't "hate you" or am going to "flame" you for saying I should learn C... I simply have no need to nor want to learn C as it's just not something that will ever be of enough use personally to me to justify or make me want to spend the time to learn C...

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Being that AROS is thus far being run hosted, if a person wants to use a Pi as effectively a 68k Amiga it might even be a better option to leave AROS out of the equation and soley rely on Linux as the host for UAE. Janus UAE is an interesting fork of uae, but the emulation "core" is unforfunately a little more dated compared to things like P-UAE and FS-UAE. The one plus though for using and uae on aros is that you get to deal with a comfortable (ie. amiga os based) environment to set up uae.

Once its all setup you could then just have the AROS startup-sequence automatically launch the emulated 68k AmigaOS or 68k AROS environment..


edit: having said that though, if it's only going to be used for a few specific bits of software its probably easier to just write a few amigados scripts and launch them through wanderer to have an emulator autolaunch that software.
Iguess it depends on what a persons wants as to whether its woth setting it up as a dedicated emulated 68k amiga.


Oh yeah, and P.S. good stuff clusteruk and phoenixkonsole :)

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@fishy_fis

Did not notice it before. With UAE+JIT set up to make Rasberry boot directly to AOS3.x might be interesting solution for ClassicAmiga fans... (ARMiethlon )

+ Add keyrah and you could restore of the case of your broken Amiga or C64 for future use...

Is there JIT for UAE for ARM yet?
The potential userbase is millions of users (via cellphone Amiga retrogame players) for JIT enabled UAE....

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@Franko

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@ clusteruk No I don't "hate you" or am going to "flame" you for saying I should learn C... I simply have no need to nor want to learn C as it's just not something that will ever be of enough use personally to me to justify or make me want to spend the time to learn C...

With all due respect though, a lot of people will have to jump through hoops so you can code in assembler for the Pi, although I hope this will happen anyway. Why not just put the effort in and learn it, you will benefit in the long run and could then give some much needed code to the community that is portable. Or just program it on A1200 and then get one of us to test on Aros with the emulator on various performance PC's to see if it works.

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@clusteruk

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clusteruk wrote: @Franko With all due respect though, a lot of people will have to jump through hoops so you can code in assembler for the Pi, although I hope this will happen anyway. Why not just put the effort in and learn it, you will benefit in the long run and could then give some much needed code to the community that is portable. Or just program it on A1200 and then get one of us to test on Aros with the emulator on various performance PC's to see if it works.

I sometimes wonder if you do this just to try and wind me up...

I'm not asking anyone to jump through hoops or even do anything, all I was asking from those who know better about this subject than me (yourself include) is if there was anyway I could use programs I have written for "Classic" Amigas to run somehow on a Pi using AROS or an Amiga emulator of some kind on it...

I have absolutely not even the teesiest weensiet tiniest bit of interest of ever learning C (as I've said, it's of no use to me) and I have even less interest in making any code I write portable for the simple reason I only use real Amiga hardware and never will use anything else when it comes to computing...

The HD Juke Box project I want to build is just something I wanted to try and do using methods that suit me, if I get it to work I am more than happy to share it with anyone else who may find it useful but learning C or coding stuff that's easy to port to other systems/ set ups is not something that's important to me...

Anyway thanks for all the help/ advice, I'll dig about and find out whether I can do this project or maybe have to look at something like the MiniMig instead to get it working...

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@Franko

As has been mentioned, just take AROS out of the equation, run UAE in Linux on the Raspberry Pi.

Or write software directly for Linux

In your case, AROS brings nothing to the table, as you want to run m68k binaries on a non-m68k system. That means emulator, which means UAE.

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@clusteruk

Little off topic, but I touched on it earlier, and think Ive mentioned it before, but my main interest in something like the Raspberry Pi is for its potential to run dedicated emulator boxes (not just amiga). It's small size and price makes its interesting for those sorts of projects in my opinion. Anyway, just wondering how long it's post screens (or equivalents) are onscreen before its starts loading off the storage device?. Also, what does it actually display, and can it be changed if its an image?
Although there's some bioses around that can be tweaked to display reasonably briefly its still enough to spoil the effect a little when using small form factor x86 boxes.

Thanks.

@olegil

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olegil wrote: @Franko As has been mentioned, just take AROS out of the equation, run UAE in Linux on the Raspberry Pi. Or write software directly for Linux In your case, AROS brings nothing to the table, as you want to run m68k binaries on a non-m68k system. That means emulator, which means UAE.

Cheers... that's basically what I needed to know...

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@Franko

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Or just program it on A1200 and then get one of us to test on Aros with the emulator on various performance PC's to see if it works.

Part of my message was this, I stand by the rest, sorry if it annoys you. I think removing Aros would probably be your best bet because unless native, it is just another layer in the way.

@Fishy_Fis

I have considered using Raspberry Pi for just such a thing, after all these emulators are available on Linux just as much as Aros and probably more so.

I personally think that if the X500 case had a raspberry pie as standard it would make the case a good starter retro system and the Pi could be taken out and replaced with something beefier as funds allow.

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@clusteruk

While there's nothing stopping someone using linux as the host to dedicated emulator boxes, I really like the potential AROS has here. Perhaps its because Im not as familiar with linux, but amiga os, and inherently AROS are such a breeze to do these sorts of things with. Remove unneeded files, and launch via statup-sequence or user-startup. No need to even launch a desktop a lot of the time.

Not that Im tell you these things, Im just thinking aloud :)

I dont suppose you'd happen to know much about the state of ARM dev software for aros do you? I'd hazzard a guess I'd need to cross compile? Also, any idea of the state of "3rd party" (open source non amiga specific (sdl/gl/cairo/etc) libs for ARM?

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@clusteruk

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clusteruk wrote: @Franko Part of my message was this, I stand by the rest, sorry if it annoys you. I think removing Aros would probably be your best bet because unless native, it is just another layer in the way.

No need to be sorry and I assure you nothing said on a forum genuinely annoys me...

I know what I like and what I enjoy and nothing anyone says will ever change that but I do read everyone's opinions and views on things...

I have enough info now and so I'll just order up a Pi and see what I can do with it, after all at the price of one of those it doesn't matter whether it works or not...

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@fishy_fis

At last the question I have been waiting for and thanks.

I am unsure on the development tools status in fact I was going to ask Michal if he knew. I have a small list of apps I would like ported including directory opus and possibly Mplayer, although not sure that is worth it at the moment and that a linux version would be better once we get actual accelerated drivers.

Which brings me to an important point the video I did the other day did not have accelerated drivers and I expect the whole thing to be much faster once we have them.

Also I was using a class 6 SDCard and I have ordered a class 10 SDCard which apparently greatly speeds things up.

Also there is supposed to be a Linux Arm version of UAE which I would like to try in combination with Aros.

On Aros, you nailed it, it is so much nicer to use and easy to find your way around.

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@all

Although not Aros specific check this out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2DPSe2rupo

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@clusteruk

what linux distro did you use?

Could you please try debian + openbox + tint2
And follow those steps:

http://www.aros-broadway.de/blog/index.html

Btw... i see another big problem with PI and AROS.... i wasn't aware that the GPU "shares" system memory... but seems that 224MB stay free.

Also i found the official Pi Quemu image... so i can emulate the pi image in qemu and maybe make this way some optimizations on the linux side.

last debian squeeze supports pi's l2 cache which is mainly used by the gpu..

Alternatively you could try the xbmc image which is also based on debian.

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@phoenixkonsole

I am already using Openbox and have installed Tint2 but cannot get GDM to work and so cannot log into your session.

I cannot wait till the accelerated graphics drivers appear, Aros will fly on that then.

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@clusteruk
you don't need to use gdm.... gdm is part of gnome/ubuntu(basesystem of Efikamx) and sucks : ) -it is not needed, just preinstalled on every efika. GDM, like gnome at all isn't needed.

AEROS- (Broadway X)

run from linux shell:
openbox-session

this should do the trick if you placed all files as described.

Still... tint2 works at best on debian because you can do a right click on it to get access to the debian menu.

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@phoenixkonsole

I get an error, unable to open display ''

Do I files to overwrite in these folders because I cannot find them.

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@clusteruk

to be honest.. i think you may have downloaded from the wrong source... or even worse i have linked to a wronk package ...



OH MY GOD!!!!! MY FAULT!!!!!!!

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9349609/aerosmxb2.tar.gz

please try this : ) ... you used a 6month old package

i have updates the links on my block....

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