@highlandcattle

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One could also argue that have three competitors out there is good for creativity and development. Nobody has time to sit on their arse!

you really think, that usual rules of sane market competition (if such thing really exist) apply in this situation?

@highlandcattle

But are they really competitors?
If they ran on same HW they might be, but mostly they do not.
Even with common codebase they could have their own tweaked builds for their HW.

But I agree that when some cool thing is done on one side, others will want to try to do it better etc.
And for example we would not know that there is some room for optimizations on AOS4 on Peg2 if we could not compare with MOS on the same HW.

If only our niche would not be so damn small, then the split would not have any big disadvantage.


If I had 2M EUR, I could provide 10000 units of new affordable PPC HW to share with Amiga parties. Suddenly every PPC OS variant would like to be on that HW, right?That might change things, not?
(when I do not have the money, I might do it anyway, but at this rate it will take almost the rest of my expected lifetime, still worth it, me thinks. It would be nice if my kids would still have the Amigan alternative to hobby with.)

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@KimmoK

Competition needs economic orientation of companies involved and potential buyers who are open to buy the other choice (if it is better/cheaper). Both is not reality right now (my view)

I think Morphos is only to play a little bit with it.I also think that Morphos goes down.No new hardware and software

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@KimmoK

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If I had 2M EUR, I could provide 10000 units of new affordable PPC HW to share with Amiga parties.

i bet if you really had the money you would think twice before sinking it like that. and it would only be right.

@tommysammy

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I think Morphos is only to play a little bit with it.I also think that Morphos goes down.No new hardware and software

funny like where are you taking this confidence. someone told it to you and you repeat it again, i bet? lets quote yours: "everybody knows that there are 250 x1k users". lol. on my part (not being morphos user) i rather observe that it is os4 users who buy their expensive hardware only to turn it on at first weekend of a month and then tell others how that is *elite*.

@tommysammy

AROS and MOS have thousands of potential machines as install base. A rather more likely scenario is OS4 getting stranded without new hardware, since it takes a big investment to get new OS4 machines out there...

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@g_kraszewski

Ah, I had misread the page. It was eMac, not Mac Mini. That makes more sense. Sorry.

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@Korni

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MorphOS is for girls.

The only thing this statement offends is your own intelligence. Girls like Ada Lovelance and Grace Hopper?

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@WolfToTheMoon

The problem isn't going to be lack of machines per se, the problem will be the technology.

While MorphOS is stuck with old PowerMacs, it's also stuck with old technology. AmigaOS machines are a lot more expensive but as the chipsets develop they will support newer technologies like PCI Express, USB 3, SATA III, DDR 3 that sort of thing.

MorphOS need a strategy for the future and they need it quickly - PowerMacs are really showing their age now, technology-wise. They're still powerful for Amigoid systems, but they will fall further behind. The only way out of this I think is to go x86 or (preferably) ARM, but being stuck on the PowerMac generation will only work for so long.

@Spirantho

Some G5 macs also include PCIexpress, that allows the use of all that you have described.

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They are working on X86 the roadmap presented sometime ago that by 4.0 it would be x86.

@highlandcattle

For 30-40 active user !?

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@Spirantho

the problem for OS4 is that they try to do too much work with too little resources. What good is it if some OS4 board supports something modern if it will pass several years before OS4 supports it in some pretty basic way...

MOS is goibg x86 or ARM in the future and it is bound for faster and more modern HW

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@tommysammy

I do not know where this "30-40" comes from and how you define "active" here. Last (inofficially) estimates were about 500-700 active user for both AOS and MorphOS (some use both, most only either AOS or MorphOS)

@Crumb

I don't believe the MOS team are working on G5 machines though are they?

@WolfToTheMoon

That is unfortunately the side-effect of using new hardware. But it's a necessary evil. You can't use new machines with new technologies without having to spend your resources on drivers....

... but still I'd rather have a machine that can use the latest technologies after a year or two, than be stuck in the AGP era.

If I were the MOS team I'd be working on ARM MOS already - hopefully that's exactly what they're doing!

@Spirantho

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While MorphOS is stuck with old PowerMacs, it's also stuck with old technology. AmigaOS machines are a lot more expensive but as the chipsets develop they will support newer technologies like PCI Express, USB 3, SATA III, DDR 3 that sort of thing.

pardon me, but which of these new key features you mention (PCI Express, USB 3, SATA III, DDR 3) are actually supported under os4? pcie is the only one im aware of. since os4 obviously already seriously lags on simple support for its own dedicated hardware, your argument rather turns against what you try to prove.

@Spirantho

it would make more sense to port to x86 ATM, IMHO.

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@OlafS25

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do not know where this "30-40" comes from and how you define "active" here. Last (inofficially) estimates were about 500-700 active user for both AOS and MorphOS (some use both, most only either AOS or MorphOS)

dont argue with him, its like quarelling with an echo.

@Spirantho

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The problem isn't going to be lack of machines per se, the problem will be the technology.

When old technology is better then new technology presented I wouldn't consider it to be the biggest problem, rather the lack of options available, still not exclusive to MorphOS. I for once would prefer to pay less for old but still faster technology then new tech just for the sake of it...

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MorphOS need a strategy for the future and they need it quickly - PowerMacs are really showing their age now, technology-wise. They're still powerful for Amigoid systems, but they will fall further behind. The only way out of this I think is to go x86 or (preferably) ARM, but being stuck on the PowerMac generation will only work for so long.

They ought, but not only them, PPC seems to be a road with no end, and no X1000 and SAMs doesn't make it look any better...

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