@Kronos

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Your free to compare the X1000 to an MacMini or base model iMac,

It will be totality wrong to compare a used MacMini that some body found on rubbish dump , because some trow it a way of course it going to cost you nothing when nobody else wants it.

X1000 has at lest generated a lot interest even from MorphOS user, just see how often they talk about it, it easy to understand ever one is getting scared :-b

MacMini G4 (7447) 1.5Ghz is hopeless to upgrade graphic cards, does not PCIe, is G4 not 32/64bit hybrid, does not have SATA2, only SATA(1), ATI Radeon 9200 only has 64mb of video memory, has relatively slow hard drive.

If you happy whit that get a used MacMini from the rubbish dump, but don't go around taking carap about some how try to make some new and better.

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Huh ????

1st you compare the X1000 to a topnotch brandnew Apple laptop and than you insist that I wanted it to be compared to an G4 MacMini (where it would still fair not so well ) ??

Offcourse I was talking bout current MacMinis and iMacs which will both smither the X1000 in performance while costing only a fraction.


Bout MorphOS-users talking bout the X1000, thats more like people watching a car wreck, and not just one after a normal accident but one after the driver pulled a hideously stupid stunt

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@Kronos

The point being you can't compare it 2 or 3 years computer because they reduce the price when start selling the new products so they can empty there large container park, they are also mass produced, and they have Intel chip, you can't run ether AmigaOS or MorphOS.

Wake up not even AROS can run on this computers, there is no drivers.

“MacMini” is not most expandable Mac computers, less compare it to new workstation instead.

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O.k. so then why did YOU start comparing it to such a computer ?


Hint: Those Macs are not only more powerfull, less expensive and use a different CPU, no they are also marketed at a different demographic.

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@Kronos

The point being is if buy some thing new its going to cost money, and when you say some is expensive there is always some things more expensive.

I know people are disappointed they don't have money, do not have job, or can't save money, or have bad loans, this problems has nothing to do whit price of production, or development costs.

Of course, you all go around to console your self with that used hardware is cheaper, or the model from last year, or year before is sheep.

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Kronos wrote: ... smither ...

I like that. It tickles the linguist in me. :D

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@NutsAboutAmiga

No the point is NOT the price, but wether such a course offers a better future than useing 2nd hand (cheap&reliable) HW.

Both attempts will fail when it comes to generating real interest outside their close-circuit communities.

But without new users in real numbers there is no way that any new development (HW or SW) will turn out to be financially viable.

Without new development on proffesional level (and here i think SW is far more important than HW atm) there is again no reason for outsiders to have more than a quick glance.

I don't know if the way out of this vicious cycle (and to be honest i doubt there is one) but IMO the 1st step would be supporting easily available, cheap and powerfull HW (here MorphOS has 2/3 while OS4 only has 1/3). Sure that sounds like AROS, problem is that AROS is just like desktop Linux, allways "allmost there" for the past 15 years....

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@Kronos

Nor MorphOS or AmigaOS4 has memory protection the taking about security there is none, its no way mass market will accept that, so is always going to be hobby market until there is no more developers or users to carry it on.

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Are you implying you can do the same work with an x1000 like it you were using a latest macbook or macpro?. Really?

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There are still many parts that don't work as they should in Odyssey for AROS (yet).
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It will be totality wrong to compare a used MacMini that some body found on rubbish dump , because some trow it a way of course it going to cost you nothing when nobody else wants it.

I don't complain.

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Public Release of MorphOS 3.1

http://www.morphzone.org/news/1946.html

Release notes:

http://www.morphos-team.net/releasenotes/3.1

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Public Release of MorphOS 3.1

Nice!

@NutsAboutAmiga

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MacMini G4 (7447) 1.5Ghz is hopeless to upgrade graphic cards, does not PCIe

Personally I have started to appreciate smaller computers more. What they lose in expandability they gain in low space requirements and easiness of transportation.

Most computers do have nowadays onboard sound, USB, network etc. graphics cards are one thing, that is commonly used both as a separate card and integrated to motherboard. Printers, scanners, external disk drives etc. have largely moved to USB and network.

So what is missing after those? Cannot really think of anything I'd really need. Graphics cards sure are one area, where separate cards still make sense, but only on Windows/X86 (as you need to keep updating it to be able to play the latest games). Quake 3 is probably one of the most demanding games we have, and that doesn't really require that much from the hardware.

And as long as the new Radeon drivers don't have any 3D support (or even overlay-like video scaling), I can't think of any reason why I wouldn't rather have Radeon 9200

Sure, the "currently modern radeon" will likely be much faster (than 9200) in the distant future when properly supported, but then again, no-one knows how many "even better" graphics cards will be released while waiting. Of course some of them will likely need changes in the drivers, which of course translate to "even more waiting" etc

Currently waiting for 3D drivers for my PowerBook, so I kind of do know what "having a modern GFX card" feels like.

Well not really. At least I have Overlay

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I fully understand that there are people who prefer big box computers (and often with very valid reasons). I just feel that some people overestimate the amount of those people.

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Kronos wrote: Sure that sounds like AROS, problem is that AROS is just like desktop Linux, allways "allmost there" for the past 15 years....

Not sure what you mean by that. I've been using linux as my main desktop OS for at least six or seven years without complaint :)

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Don't worry been a Linux-Desktop-User for several years between 1995 and 2006 myself



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