@mbrantley

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you already have a functioning 2D RadeonHD driver for your card, don't you?

You keep repeating that. Let's recap the situation for the Sam460/AmigaOne 500 owners out there (correct me if I'm wrong, I'm not following this too closely):

1. Sam460 users have to use the onboard PCI slot for a SATA controller (PCIe not supported), because the onboard controller features only one port and the driver is still limited to PIO modes.

2. The onboard video (SM502) isn't all that usable either (64 MB video RAM), you have to use a dedicated gfx card. The only free slot(s) are PCIe, so you need to look for a PCIe card - which pretty much limits you to Radeon HD models, I guess.

3. with a Radeon HD, the Sam460 doesn't do proper video playback, because the driver doesn't do overlay. And with today's announcement, the status of overlay changed from "maybe, just maybe, one day in the far, far future" to "maybe, just maybe, one day in the far, far future. If you pay an additional fee. But we're not promising anything."

If I were a Sam user, I'd appreciate it a lot that you're constantly telling me that I "have a functioning 2D driver anyway" But at least the hardware is cheap.

Oh, wait...

@amigakit

Sorry, that was aimed at the poor YouTube video, with it's message of pay or you get nothing

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@cgutjahr

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cgutjahr wrote: @mbrantley Quote: you already have a functioning 2D RadeonHD driver for your card, don't you? 3. with a Radeon HD, the Sam460 doesn't do proper video playback, because the driver doesn't do overlay. And with today's announcement, the status of overlay changed from "maybe, just maybe, one day in the far, far future" to "maybe, just maybe, one day in the far, far future. If you pay an additional fee. But we're not promising anything." If I were a Sam user, I'd appreciate it a lot that you're constantly telling me that I "have a functioning 2D driver anyway" But at least the hardware is cheap. Oh, wait...

What does being a sam user have to do with this? If overlay was ever introduced it would work on a specific gfx card, not the platform they own. X1000 owners don't have overlay and they paid already.

Also Hans has explained why he doesn't think overlay is worth it, so either you convince him, or someone else to do it. Nothing to do with aeon/a cube/hyperion etc

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@cgutjahr

I cant see how SAM driver support is Trevors problem. Might not be what your saying, but since its in this thread and with nr 3 comment it seem like your saying SAM is AEONs responsibility too.

Since noone wants to pay anything, why isnt those that are unhappy with Trevors plan just make a Bounty to encourage a developer to code a driver.
Atleast then it will be "free".

@Overflow

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it seem like your saying SAM is AEONs responsibility too.

This thread is about people that (might) have to pay for drivers. As Trevor et all keep pointing out, X1000 customers don't have to pay - so this thread is not about Trevor, the X1000 or X1000 customers.

The people that might have to pay are the Sam users, and I just pointed out why "don't complain, you already have a driver" might not be a polite response (provided I'm right - I'd welcome any input from Sam users).

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Since noone wants to pay anything

A Sam costs money, perhaps you were not aware of that.

@cgutjahr

Radeon HD 2D support is not a feature of basic Amiga OS4.1.
It is something extra with beta versions provided to Sam460ex and X1000 owners
via special arrangements with the developer of the driver.
The focus of the driver and arrangements to acquire it changed due to the quick injection
of funds into the development work due to a shortage of Radeon HD series 4000 card.
Its no different from a large company buying up a smaller one with popular product and changing the product or terms of use. NG Amiga being able to use the latest Radeon Cards is a huge step towards advancing the NG Amigas. We should all be dancing and singing.When was the last time an Amiga could use the top of the line Radeon Card ? And in a few short months from when the need to get this done arose .Months not years. Indeed this is a huge milestone. And I am sure a great boon to the 3d developers. They can use the latest documentation if available for the latest video cards and not something written 5 years ago..

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@elwood

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elwood wrote: @some of you Those that still don't understand this driver/licence story are just applying the same logic of development/sales/market of multi-billion companies with millions of customers to "our" companies that have less than 1000 customers. Sad.

Ssolie said that we have 5000 users.... So stop spearding disinformation :)

@elwood

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elwood wrote: @some of you Those that still don't understand this driver/licence story are just applying the same logic of development/sales/market of multi-billion companies with millions of customers to "our" companies that have less than 1000 customers. Sad.

customer base is not an excuse for not delivering on advertised features. it is also not an excuse for changing terms of your purchase after the fact. which btw in some countries is illegal.

now if they deliver what they promise then no problem. the problem is when the hardware manufacturer does not deliver on their promises.

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@jkirk

Who changed their terms of purchase in regards to the Amiga OS 4.x Radeon HD 2D Driver ?

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@Spectre660

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Spectre660 wrote: @jkirk Who changed their terms of purchase in regards to the Amiga OS 4.x Radeon HD 2D Driver ?

nobody that i know of. i was addressing what i read into some opinions that because the customer base is small we should overlook everything.

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@aeon

Its great that you are funding the development of graphics cards, but the fact remains the same the 4650 driver is incomplete - no video overlay. Hans says its not a priority, or possibly unnecessary - so the question is why does he say this?

This makes me think that:

If I don't upgrade the driver I can just buy AmigaOS 4.2 - and Gallium 3D will plug the gap and make smooth video playback (at any resolution) finally a reality.

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@jkirk

What is it about supporting the h/w? If you open the case & install a new $200 gfx card, you are changing the h/w you bought. No one, not ever ACube is obligated to support you after, warranty is void.

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@aeon

No need to reply, just read this from Hans.

http://www.amigans.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=1655

@all

I didn't mean to 'whinge' as some have put it, I was merely asking for clarity over questions that remained unanswered - no-one wants to spend money 'willy-nilly' especially during a world recession if they absolutely don't have to.

I've 'donated' to many AmigaOS 'projects' in the past, AmigaWorld (see my Avatar), VivaAmiga, AmigaFuture, Hollywood, Hollywood Designer (I barely use it), BitByBitSoftware, even AmigaKit - I bought an Amiga-branded keyboard and mouse I didn't really need.

And beyond money itself I've donated time and effort, Jack foreinstance, the old AmigaOS.net which I like to think kicked Steven Solie into first gear, I contribute to the AmigaOS Wiki amongst other things.

In summary:

Hearing it from the 'horse's mouth' (Hans) has cleared up any doubts in my mind and has offered reassurance. I agree with Hans, the situation is not ideal, I am happy to 'fund' future graphic driver development by buying this driver for the sake every past, present and future AmigaOS customer.

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@djrikki

There is a more advanced and compatible technique to speed up video playback using the Radeon HD video cards. It is called Textured video. Han's has confirmed that it will be added to the driver at some point but he is not able to say when. What you need to understand is that Hyperion's 3D work for Radeon HD video cards, scheduled for OS 4.2 needs Han's Radeon HD 2D driver to do its output to your monitor. Thus his priority is to get it to the point where Hyperion's work can mesh with his so that his drivers status is not holding up Hyperions work.

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no video overlay. Hans says its not a priority, or possibly unnecessary - so the question is why does he say this?

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@Spectre660

I would pay for the driver software if I will be surely able to:

- play videos in overlay mode including 3d acceleration in 3G games

- use Fraps-like software to capture screen and Workbench work at full speed

If both works with that mystery new driver - paying the price is a way to go :)

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Even if not now and actually with a low priority i'm still hope that overlay will be added at some point, still a very needed feature for watching videos at proper speed almost on certain not so fast machines like Sam440 or even on Sam460

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@thread,

With the news announcement from ACube that they are offering free video drivers with all SAM systems that they will be selling in the future, and also contacting their previous purchasers of SAM systems, to provide them with a free video driver as well, this thread does not seem to serve any purpose any longer.

Can the older AmigaOne systems even use the newer video cards that this new driver supports? If not, I can't think of anyone who would be forced to pay for the newly announced video card driver(s) by Hans.

I will monitor it for another day or two, but if there is only more trolling and opposition to the trolls trying to explain the obvious, that continues to show up here, I will lock the thread and restrict any member doing further trolling.

Trolls beware, you have been warned.

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@amigadave

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Can the older AmigaOne systems even use the newer video cards that this new driver supports? If not, I can't think of anyone who would be forced to pay for the newly announced video card driver(s) by Hans.

The driver was already in testing before the X1000 was even announced and Hans was using an XE for development. You can use PCI versions or a PCI to PCI-E converter in Sam440 and some AmigaONE G3/G4 systems. They won't work with Peg2 due to firmware and there are problems with micro A1, AmigaONE XE with the DMA fix and maybe AmigaONE SE also have probs. Not sure if anyone has tried with classic version using a Mediator or Promethius busboard.

btw. Anyone using HD4000, 5000 or 6000 series PCIe cards on SAM440ep-mini via PCI-PCIe riser???

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