12 weeks. 3 months. and my raspberry pi will be here.
the first thing i'll do is to run aros on it..

@edponpon

hi im finding this topic racist im british i dont like being called a brit this is racist.

im british or english no a brit.

this is regarded here in england as a racist comment.

so you americans please refrain yourselves.

@webhead

Sorry about that. I didn’t think that'd be an issue, since you guys call us "Yanks" on a regular basis, which is offensive to us as well. So please accept my apologies.

@Franko

Let's not get off on tangents again. Sorry for the off topic and heated discussion. My original point was to not lump people into a category, as you took offense from the one guys post and then you mentioned all you Americans. I'd rather us all work together then get into a pissing contest. I let my emotions get the better of me and will refrain from nasty comments again to you and all else who write here. I'd expect the same courtesy. Thanks.

Ed

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@edponpon

Thanks for turning your attitude in this thread around edponpon. I was about to step in and issue 2 or 3 warnings or posting restrictions if the racist off topic comments continued.

Everyone else take this as a warning to all of you, the next racist, or off topic remark that gets posted in this thread will earn the author a 7 day restriction from posting in the forums, unless they have had other restrictions in the last 12 months, then the posting restriction may be longer.

@Franko,

To answer your question about clusteruk's statement, I will offer my opinion on the topic.

The Raspberry Pi is selling in the ten's of thousands and receiving a ton of publicity because of it's low cost and wide spread popularity. If AROS is successful and popular on such a device, the history and roots of AROS will become known to more people that might not have heard about the Amiga at any time in the past. This awareness might spark interest in a few of these thousands of people that read about AROS running on the Raspberry Pi and bring them to forum sites like this one and others and educate more people about how great the Amiga was and still is.

This could be a good thing for the remaining Amiga community, even if it is in a small way. Every little bit helps, when the survival of the Amiga community depends on new people learning about and becoming interested in keeping the Amiga alive.

Old Amiga users like you and I will not live forever and some younger users will need to keep the Amiga alive when we are dead and gone.

@Everyone,

Keep this thread civil, unless you want to earn a posting restriction and take a vacation from being able to express your opinions here.

Your moderation staff thanks you!

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Response to warning replied by PM.

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paolone wrote: I don't know if you ever noticed, but most surviving amigans don't care about 68k anymore.

And obviously you haven't noticed that most surviving users still use 68K machines in comparison to any others...


@ Amigadave

Thanks for your reply, I get what your saying there and that would obviously be a good thing in keeping the Amiga name alive but I doubt myself that many who buy the Raspberry will ever hear about AROS or the Amiga in this predisposed Windows & Linux world...

I guess as the years roll by and the price of old second hand Amiga hardware on places like eBay reach ever crazier prices then the original Amigas will become nothing more than "collectors pieces" and only used for display purposes as us old duffers who still use them die out...

The Amiga always will play an important part in the history of home computing and rightfully so. Whether the Amiga ends up just being nothing more than an emulator running on the latest PC or latest gadget like the Raspberry Pi, it will most likely always be there in one form or another for those few who want to break away from the drudgery of bog standard PC Clones, Windows and OSX just to prove the point that home computing didn't have to end up being the same old shade of grey on almost every machine that it has become and there was indeed a better alternative to it all, if only people looked and things had turned out a bit differently at Commodore...

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The Amiga always will play an important part in the history of home computing and rightfully so. Whether the Amiga ends up just being nothing more than an emulator running on the latest PC or latest gadget like the Raspberry Pi, it will most likely always be there in one form or another for those few who want to break away from the drudgery of bog standard PC Clones, Windows and OSX just to prove the point that home computing didn't have to end up being the same old shade of grey on almost every machine that it has become and there was indeed a better alternative to it all, if only people looked and things had turned out a bit differently at Commodore...

Unfortunately things did go wrong, but I believe there is still mileage in the Amiga way of doing things and will try and bring that to a wider audience. I cannot recreate the original Amiga hardware and why would you, whilst amazing in a historical sense today the world is powered by GPU's which we need to, and do, harness in modern incarnations of the Amiga OS flavours. The Pi has a pretty amazing GPU onboard in an incredibly low price point. It also offers what I believe is important, the GPIO port which has enormous potential.

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@Franko

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Franko wrote: @ Amigadave Thanks for your reply, I get what your saying there and that would obviously be a good thing in keeping the Amiga name alive but I doubt myself that many who buy the Raspberry will ever hear about AROS or the Amiga in this predisposed Windows & Linux world......

Who knows how successful clusteruk and other AROS users/developers with Raspberry Pi computers will be in spreading the word about AROS and the history of the Amiga to those thousands, or over a million people who are keeping an eye on the Raspberry Pi.

clusteruk has already had some good success, if you look at how many hits his video has had on YouTube. I think that an article about AROS running on the Raspberry Pi has also been seen by many people as well. The Internet is an amazingly easy way to reach millions of people, if used correctly, and since the Raspberry Pi has caught the attention of so many tens of thousands of people who are buying one, and probably hundreds of thousands of people who are thinking about it and talking about it because of it's incredibly low cost, yet powerful enough video capabilities that it can successfully decode and playback HD 1080p video streams, all this attention makes for a great opportunity to place the names AROS and Amiga into the minds of those people. If 99% of them never go any further toward wanting to find out what AROS, or an Amiga is after those names are placed into their consciousness, then perhaps the 1% will get involved in some way with AROS, or the Amiga in some form or another.

AROS on the Raspberry Pi might be a very successful match of simplicity and ease of use, plus extremely low cost and widespread availability. Success in our tiny communities can sometimes be measured in dozens of people, not hundreds, or thousands. So, let's just wait and see with an open mind and hopes for a future that includes an active Amiga community.

I hope that there will be some new Amiga users in the future to carry on the traditions and history of the Amiga. It is one of my goals to introduce young people to the Amiga in all of it's flavors and forms, when ever I have the chance to do so. I often sit and try to think of new ways to introduce young people to the Amiga and all of it's Next Gen. Amiga inspired relative platforms. I hope that all of you will do the same, if you ever have a chance to do so. It is not an easy task, considering the competition available through current consoles and dirt cheap generic PC's that are hundreds of times more powerful and provide visual stimulation that cannot be matched by almost all versions of any Amiga, or Amiga inspired platform.

Old original Amiga's seem to run forever with only a minimal amount of care (replacing of a few capacitors, replacing failed PSU's and caring for potential battery damage on any Amiga model which contained an old lead acid battery. Seeing that these original Amiga's make it into the hands of young people, instead of collecting dust in closets, or worse yet, ending up in a landfill, should be a goal of every remaining Amiga user. Just ask that new Amiga user to make sure that the Amiga computer that you gift to them is well taken care of and if they no longer have any interest in it, to pass it on to another young person with an interest in old computers, so it will have a chance to finally find it's way into the hands of someone who might become a permanent Amiga user and/or check out one or more of the "Next Gen" Amiga inspired computer platforms.

If we do not attempt to cultivate new "Amiga" (I use this term very broadly now) users, surely the Amiga community will slowly die completely within a matter of 20 to 30 years from now.

Sorry for climbing on my "Soap Box" and boring all of you with my opinions. I'll try to restrain myself for the next year, or two before I repeat this philosophy again.

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Personally, I'm looking forward to getting my hands on a Raspberry PI running AROS natively, and the person most instrumental in achieving this will be clusteruk.

Thanks for all your efforts Steve.

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amigadave wrote: @Franko If we do not attempt to cultivate new "Amiga" (I use this term very broadly now) users, surely the Amiga community will slowly die completely within a matter of 20 to 30 years from now.

Gawd... 20 to 30 years from now, that's a scary thought...

Personally if I'm still around in 20 years let alone 30 I'd be 67 and in my neck of the woods that would qualify me as being one of the oldest guys around and make me something of a rarity but by then I reckon the Amiga will have dwindled to a few stubborn old gits like myself and even for most of "todays" community it will have become not much more than a distant memory...

Hopefully I'll be proven wrong and somehow somewhere along the way something will happen that will make the Amiga a wee bit more popular and an alternative to those who really want something a bit more special and user friendly than the current world of Microsoft, Linux & Mac OS X...

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clusteruk wrote: @Franko Today the world is powered by GPU's which we need to, and do, harness in modern incarnations of the Amiga OS flavours.

GPU's... Reckon that's where I differ from yourself (and most folk come to think of it), I see using a computer as I always have done via the Amiga, a machine for word processing, D.T.P., Creating GFX/ Paintings, Audio Editing, Programming, Photo Editing, The odd game or two and general tinkering, to name but a few things...

So to me personally GPU's are not important or needed, I wouldn't want to watch a movie on a computer when my TV & DVD recorder do a much better job of that, or play 3D style games with gfx so realistic and no real gameplay that it's just like watching some sort of inertactive DVD...

My good old Amigas do all that I require computing wise, without me feeling the need for them to have GHz of speed or 3D/ Realistic GFX, which while I understand most folk want such things are not important to me when it comes to computing...

I probably differ from most folk using computer these days like I have hopefully just explained so perhaps you can see now how I view computing and why I don't personally see all this need for extra GHz, GPU's etc...

I know what I like and I'm happy with it that way but for those like yourself who are always looking for something new, faster and better then I wish you all the best with that and hope one day you too find your ideal computer set up that will make you as happy as I have been all these years using my trusty old Amiga technology...

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I know what I like and I'm happy with it that way but for those like yourself who are always looking for something new, faster and better then I wish you all the best with that and hope one day you too find your ideal computer set up that will make you as happy as I have been all these years using my trusty old Amiga technology...

Thats the spirit

@LoneHaranguer

Thanks for the comments, have to be honest, native will be some way down the road and only if the Linux hosted version is a success. This is just for practical reasons that Native will not be as good except for being native. However, if we can get all driver code then that will be cool, but I honestly believe that a hybrid Aros/Linux system would be truly amazing on the Pi especially with the work that certain people are doing to help.

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@franko

A GPU isnt all about having the fastest/best/whatever. Its simply a good way to offload work from the cpu,... you know, like what was done with the original commodore amigas. In fact it wouldnt be a huge stretch to say the amigas custom chips share some things in common with what is nowadays called a gpu.

In respect t the Pi, its a pretty weak platform cpu wise in modern terms. The gpu it has helps it achieve things it otherwise wouldnt be able to achieve (hmm, this sounds familiar).

As for modern cpu speeds, there's absolutely a place for it in the modern world beyond watching videos and playing games. While the original amigas do well on thier limited resources, there's plenty of places where extra speed is useful. Graphics, audio, dekstop publishing, some heavier word processing, even trivial things like viewing pdf files. Total Amiga magazine for example found quite some benefits when it changed from a fully decked out '060 + ppc system to beefier hardware running amithlon.

File compression/decompression, harddrive speeds, ram speeds, video editting/animation, compiling code, debugging tools....... I could go on forever with things that benefit from modern raw speed, and that's excluding the more typical examples (webbrowsing, videos, gaming).

While the 68k Amiga is still the biggest part of my "amiga" interest Im sure glad there's alternatives that can deal with my amigas weakpoints a lot better.

Still waiting for my Pi to arrive, however with no hardware acceleration for the X windows system I'd say it'll be quite sluggish, but I've heard "they" are working on it maybe getting the video core to do the job instead of the cpu, seems like an alpha driver will appear after the second or third batch of Pi's are delivered, if I'm not mistaken. Whatever the outcome, eagerly awaiting to try AROS on it!

@Shufflepuck

Once the GFX accelerated drivers appear, and they will, this will be a great little device as long as people understand the cpu is only 700mhz, but heh, ONLY 700mhz, that is why Amiga OS's are cool right.

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@clusteruk

I found these 700MhZ to be as exciting at the 7,09MhZ my Amiga 500 had

PS: If only element14 would speed up to send me the damn thing!

@clusteruk

Hi,

I'd like to use my Raspberry Pi with AROS (my first AROS machine).

Is Broadway X the only ARM based AROS?

Where can I get a copy of AROS for ARM?

I decided to go down the road of the Lapdock route

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@clusteruk

Interesting thread. My opinion is that this community would be served directly only if Aros was ported to run native on the platform.

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1Mouse wrote: @clusteruk Hi, I'd like to use my Raspberry Pi with AROS (my first AROS machine). Is Broadway X the only ARM based AROS? Where can I get a copy of AROS for ARM? I decided to go down the road of the Lapdock route

Hi Mouse1,

Did you purchase the Motorola Atrix LapDock?

I did and I think it is a very nicely manufactured product. I think it is only fitting to have the Motorola name on my LapDock for running AROS (an Amiga inspired OS) on the Raspberry Pi.

I am hoping that I can also figure out a way to cable my FPGA Arcade Replay board, so it can also use this Motorola Atrix LapDock.

What a winning combination of light weight and thin design with excellent build quality (IMHO) for this LapDock. It will be easy to take with me anywhere, so if I can combine it with the FPGA Arcade Replay board, as well as the Raspberry Pi running AROS, I will have three very compact and easy to transport pieces of hardware that will meet all of my Amiga related computing needs.

I can't wait for my Raspberry Pi to arrive in a couple more weeks.

For anyone else considering getting a Raspberry Pi, I cannot give a higher recommendation than the Motorola Atrix LapDock as the best accessory you can have for it.

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