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Re: New Deluxe Paint for AmigaOS Posted on 28-Aug-2012 15:55:36
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_ThEcRoW wrote: Is pixel painting relevant today out of our niche?
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Strange question...
Of course it's relevant (no matter which platform your talking about Amiga, PC or Mac)...
It doesn't matter whether you meticulously "paint" an image by hand or use a capture device/ software to "grab" an image, if you want to edit/ paint over that image you are still painting/ editing pixels...
Whether the actual "paint package" software performs many calculations on effects or changes your applying or you create/ edit something pixel by pixel, any image/ painting /artwork you edit /paint/ change you are still working with pixels.... so what other way is there to do it !!!_________________
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Re: New Deluxe Paint for AmigaOS Posted on 28-Aug-2012 15:58:18
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Re: New Deluxe Paint for AmigaOS Posted on 28-Aug-2012 16:03:37
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Re: New Deluxe Paint for AmigaOS Posted on 28-Aug-2012 16:05:13
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If you are still active in demoscene, this one is a handful tool methinks. |
I never was active in the demoscene... _________________
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Re: New Deluxe Paint for AmigaOS Posted on 28-Aug-2012 16:08:59
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That post wasn't going personally to you, but forum's system always do it automatically. _________________
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Re: New Deluxe Paint for AmigaOS Posted on 28-Aug-2012 16:18:42
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Ahh... I see...
But it's pretty simple to change the "@ whomever" bit when you make a post... (it's not compulsory to use the name the system automatically puts at the start of a new post)... _________________
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Re: New Deluxe Paint for AmigaOS Posted on 28-Aug-2012 16:21:01
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Re: New Deluxe Paint for AmigaOS Posted on 28-Aug-2012 16:24:41
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Wow. Coolness factor 10. I would love a DPaint 6 for 4.1. _________________ Sam |
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Re: New Deluxe Paint for AmigaOS Posted on 28-Aug-2012 16:44:30
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"so what other way is there to do it !!!"
Not really in the spirit of the conversation :) but the answer is "vector graphics".
In a vector graphic, a circle is stored as a circle - not as an approximation of a circle made with a mosaic of pixels.
The advantage of this is that you can zoom in on the circle and it will never become blocky. Instead, the circle will be redrawn at bigger and bigger sizes as you zoom in.
Obviously, whatever you see on your screen at any given moment will be made up of pixels - and you can render a jpeg based on your file - but the vector graphic is stored as a collection of instructions regarding how to draw (and redraw) the image, rather than as a grid of coloured pixels.
Of course, you can make far more complex images in a vector graphics package than a circle. Passable vector graphics artists can make very natural and even hand-drawn looking artwork (I rather vainly count myself as a passable vector graphics artist). Because they aren't stored as pixels, you can blow them up to the size of a double decker bus without any blockiness. It's all smooth curves.
For me, one big selling point of AOS4 is the fact that it has an almost modern vector graphics program, in the form of Sodipodi (which runs under AmiCygnix). In fact, out of the modern Amigan OSes, AmiCygnix is the app that makes AOS4 the most usable (in a day-to-day sense) for me.
I was a huge fan of Deluxe Paint II and III when I had my Amiga 500, and would love to see the brand return to AOS4. If I owned the rights to the Deluxe name, I would fork GIMP, add some Deluxe Paint-style plugins, and change the colour picker to the iconic circle-on-a-bar. _________________ My new blog |
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Re: New Deluxe Paint for AmigaOS Posted on 28-Aug-2012 17:12:37
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Thank you. Yes, I was very impressed when I found your video covering SketchBlock. It is a great program and I'm sure it will keep getting better.
Here is is if anyone wants to take a look:
SketchBlock Last edited by Dickie on 28-Aug-2012 at 05:47 PM. Last edited by Dickie on 28-Aug-2012 at 05:46 PM. Last edited by Dickie on 28-Aug-2012 at 05:45 PM.
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Re: New Deluxe Paint for AmigaOS Posted on 28-Aug-2012 18:43:44
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jas_mc wrote: @Franko
"so what other way is there to do it !!!"
Not really in the spirit of the conversation :) but the answer is "vector graphics". |
True... but I've never personally considered vector gfx quite the same as artwork created in something like DPaint...
Vector gfx are great in things like D.T.P. or CAD but they have too much of a "Clinical" feel to them (for me) to be considered as good as "hand drawn" (so to speak) graphics/ artwork that people create with the likes of DPaint...
Both types have their uses but I could never use a computer for artwork/ gfx like my iMac for example where things like GIMP and the ADOBE range are all there really is for it, when they are some of the worst "drawing/ painting" packages I have ever seen in my life...
Still amazes me that with the power of a Mac that there has never been one single decent paint package written for it, thank gawd Jay miner gave us the Amiga otherwise I'd have given up on computers decades ago... _________________
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Re: New Deluxe Paint for AmigaOS Posted on 28-Aug-2012 21:59:56
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Actually what I mean is, the user interface is much sleeker than DPaint, and the final results in your paintings look much better in Brilliance. The UI in Deluxe Paint was always ugly, and also the top menu bar and the annoying Workbench 1.3 looking mouse pointer.
Brilliance just had elegance and high quality that DPaint should have already improved by DPaint IV.
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Re: New Deluxe Paint for AmigaOS Posted on 30-Aug-2012 19:43:19
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Honestly, you really can make vector graphics that don't look "clinical" - but it takes a bit of understanding to do.
It's like CGI. You need to work to make it look natural, but it's possible. And it gets a bad name because there's so much sub-par stuff out there, that just doesn't look real.
It took me a while to be won over by vectors for precisely that reason. But once you get the hang of it, the advantages - for instance, infinite re-use and re-sizing of elements without any blockiness or bluriness - make it worth it.
It's possible now because vector graphics apps, like Inkscape, have the tools to work with the vectors in a natural way. In Inkscape, you can push a shape around like a piece of 2D plasticine, making really organic and natural curves out of it. The calligraphy tool (used well) closely resembles hand-inked shapes, and when it doesn't you can smooth it out with the push tool.
Of course, there are some effects that aren't possible with vectors. For graphics, I like to make images as vectors and then render them as bitmaps (at any size I need), which I can then edit in something like GIMP. It's a really liberating way to work - once you get past the problem where everything you make looks like a diagram or a corporate logo! _________________ My new blog |
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Re: New Deluxe Paint for AmigaOS Posted on 24-Oct-2013 11:06:12
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I'm always looking and thinking of new ideas for AMIGApaint ;)
http://amigaonex.blogspot.com.au/2013/10/amigapaint-melt-effect-teaser.html
We have the chance now to make an awesome Amiga paint package for the Amiga (ONLY for the Amiga).
I would like to see a standard paint program for the Amiga platform.
Mod's note: Re-sized image in keeping with our TOS. Last edited by Yo on 24-Oct-2013 at 04:34 PM.
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Re: New Deluxe Paint for AmigaOS Posted on 24-Oct-2013 11:20:20
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Impressive!
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Re: New Deluxe Paint for AmigaOS Posted on 24-Oct-2013 11:22:17
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Re: New Deluxe Paint for AmigaOS Posted on 24-Oct-2013 12:52:53
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Hi Amigang. only concepts at this stage. No behind the scenes yet, Probably shouldn't post too much as it would be a shame to see the ideas go to other art programs/platforms.
Some exciting concepts such as the colour cycling tool but with more advanced features of alpha channelling.
Thanks Trevor :) :)
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Re: New Deluxe Paint for AmigaOS Posted on 24-Oct-2013 14:30:58
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Re: New Deluxe Paint for AmigaOS Posted on 24-Oct-2013 16:00:46
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Basic tools like line draw, circle draw and so on... And colour cycling.
Btw. All selection tool buttons are not located next to each other.
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Re: New Deluxe Paint for AmigaOS Posted on 24-Oct-2013 20:22:56
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colorcycling? really??
@thread I didn't see Perfect Paint mentioned any where in this thread.
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