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Stop with endianess crap, please. It is known that ppc can work big endian as little endian.

Nope, because the only endian that is useful to run old 68000 programs is big endian, little endian can't be used for it, you have to byte swap in that mode to run 68000 code.

Yes there are some instructions that are reverse endian (aka little endian) load and store operation code some where, but if you wont to use that you need to write some inline assembler, its only useful if you have to keep stuff in little endian format, for example video graphics, ABGR to RGBA or vice versa, I repeat its not useful for 68000 emulation.

Just imagine having to do inline assembler on x86 almost every where to keep compatible whit 68000, think of the ugly code, by the way I don't know if this even possible on x86.

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Obviusly, hyperion gets benefits from hardware sales,

Don't see how manufacturing conspiracy territories, has anything whit reality, try to look things before posting random carp.

The PowerPC was chosen by Phase5 a long time a go, at time the x86 was predictied to not be able to go any faster, but the predictied was false, as they often are.

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They're not dead, but they're both slowly dying.

I think your prediction as vaild as prodiction that x86 can't get any faster in late 1990's, or any of end of world conspiracy thories.

Peaple whit greate feate and belives have pridicted the end of the PowerPC for over 10 years in the Amiga forums yet is has not happened.

There is large amount of equetiment and devices that depends on PowerPC chips, this products wont go away over night and there is going be demand for PowerPC chips in the years to come.

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Why should we need that? we already have AROS X86.

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almost 10 year peaple have been saying that PowerPC is dying in the Amiga forums

Did they go wrong? How would we be if the platform owners (Amiga inc and Hyperion) seriously considered that? same as now? not at all.

We have already lost 10 years because the blindness of the platform rulers, and I m getting the impression that most of the people here WANT AMIGA TO DIE.

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We have already lost 10 years because the blindness of the platform rulers

10 years ago most of our community was strongly against x86. Don´t blame Amiga.Inc and Hyperion only, it was collective blindness of most of us.

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Why should we need that? we already have AROS X86.

AmigaOS sounds a little bit better to my ears.

@_ThEcRoW

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Stop with endianess crap, please. It is known that ppc can work big endian as little endian.

We know PPC can work big endian, that was part of the original reason to use aeons ago (no pun intended), what has the fact that it will do little endian as well got to do with anything?

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The problem is that we should infiltrate it physically, because I'm pretty sure they keep the source files on 720k floppies..

720k floppies? 720k floppies?

880k floppies I think you'll find.

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AmigaOS sounds a little bit better to my ears

if so, then just "amiga" please.

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I think your prediction as vaild as prodiction that x86 can't get any faster in late 1990's, or any of end of world conspiracy thories.

I think you mean late 80s, when RISC was seen as the new savior(and x86/CISC not being able to easily produce an out of order, superscalar CPU, something both Motorola and Intel disproved a few years later), not late 90s, when x86 CPUs were getting faster alot.

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Peaple whit greate feate and belives have pridicted the end of the PowerPC for over 10 years in the Amiga forums yet is has not happened.

I'll tell you what has happend, so you can judge for yourself.

Since 2006 there are no more PPC powered desktops made in large numbers. There are also no PPC powered mobile consumer products. There will soon be no more than only 1 major console powered by an PPC CPU, and that CPU is very slow by modern standards. PPC is also currently losing market share and Freescale is losing money. Freescale has since introduced ARM CPUs in it's telcom lineup and recently even license the new 64 bit ARM v8 instruction set architecture...
Also, Applied Micro, the company that make CPUs/SOCs for SAMs is switching to ARM for it's new 64 bit core.

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Native running on Raspberry PI sounds even better

@OlafS25

Sorry, obscure OS with strange name on Pentium II class hardware, that is realy nothing interesting.


...only joking of course.

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Sorry, obscure OS with strange name on Pentium II class hardware, that is realy nothing interesting. ...only joking of course.

you refer to os4? ;D

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I think you mean late 80s, when RISC was seen as the new savior(and x86/CISC not being able to easily produce an out of order, superscalar CPU, something both Motorola and Intel disproved a few years later), not late 90s, when x86 CPUs were getting faster alot.

I looked at some benchmarks in 1998/1999 there was little difference between FPU and Int spec at the time, between two CPU types, lower FPU score, but higher Intspec I belive.

Do you remember the the IMac G3?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMac_G3

This was the one Apple calmed toasted the Pentrum 2 in public.

http://mac1.no/artikkel/3107/ukens-apple-reklame-toasted-bunnies

So yes the the late 1990's

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I wouldn't put too much trust in Apple marketing. Remember, if you have read Jobs biography, Apple was very dissatisfied with Motorola in the late 90s, and vice versa(because Jobs killed the clones). In earliest, in 1999, Jobs began planning the switch to Intel. I think this was when Motorola could not exceed 450 MHz and Jobs decided he had enough.

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Since 2006 there are no more PPC powered desktops made in large numbers. There are also no PPC powered mobile consumer products.

It was never the case, it was always Xscale, arm.

PowerPC is a low power chip that performs well, and its not noisy as hell, Freescale is also invested a lot of mornay on the QorIQ power series.

They are doing two things at once.

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It was never the case, it was always Xscale, arm.

IBM tried...

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They are doing two things at once.

Which is exactly why they'll probably fail at both....

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royleith wrote: ... I think we need to explore the alternatives. ...

No, because AOS4 is not your OS. AmigaOS4 belongs to Hyperion (and maybe partially to Amiga Inc.) the Hyperion staff members often wrote how they hate people who where asking for ports.

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Or you can switch the OS, this desicion is up to you.

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http://amigaworld.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=38873&forum=2&start=20&order=0

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ohvcN1LE8BA#!

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Or you can switch the OS, this desicion is up to you.

Windows is so beautiful OS... for longtime Amiga user.