@pavlor

there is more under the sun than AmigaOS and Windows...

@OlafS25

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there is more under the sun than AmigaOS and Windows...

Linux?

@pavlor

Yes and Android and ...

Come on you guys, let's stop the childish bickering!

This thread has generated 4-5 ARs already in the first two pages. More than one moderator has over looked these transgressions so far. However, if it continues on there will be some vacation time due to a few of you.

Keep the discussion serious and on topic. Stop sticking pins into the backs of others.

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Moxee
AmigaOne X1000
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I'd agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong.

@Moxee

I have seen much worse threads here in the past...

@OlafS25

So have I and I hope this thread does not descend into those depths.

You know, every member on AW has something to contribute. Everyone has their own opinion. I, for one, like to read different opinions, but there is no need to ridicule other members opinions. Some just seem to delight in that practice. It all comes down to manners and whether or not you have them I suppose.

Now, carry on peacefully please.

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I'd agree with you, but then we'd both be wrong.

@pavlor

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AmigaOS sounds a little bit better to my ears.

Frankly, These days AROS sounds thousands of times better than Amiga, even not counting its future ahead.

@all

No mean to offend, but I can hardly believe how many people here keep being so so blind.

Just try this exercise: Imagine SINCERELY (just for yourselves) how the Amiga platform will be in 2 years from now. Think about it. You will feel the fear.

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@vision

I was told at the last amiwest show that every program had to be converted to run on AROS, I'd call that a big handicap if the apps I like won't run.

As for fear, I'll leave that up to you.

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Hate tends to make you look stupid...

@Moxee

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It all comes down to manners and whether or not you have them I suppose.

You hit the nail on the head with that one.

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@all

These kind of threads are useless ####.

There is Aros for those who absolutely want their hobby OS run with 25€ mobo
There is MorphOS for thos who haven't loved when they were kids
There is AmigaOS for those who wants to Amiga have "name" and custom hardware.

So everybody happy, don't start tease others or start to give your opinions as a 100% facts or give to understand that others are stupid etc.

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@utri007

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There is Aros for those who absolutely want their hobby OS run with 25€ mobo There is MorphOS for thos who haven't loved when they were kids ... don't start tease other

A shiny example of coherence.

Supporting big endian code on x86 is easy, have been easy and have been done a number of times. In fact there have been a JIT 68k40 -> x86 available on the market before AOS4 was conceived (don't remember the name ATM).

The BSWAP (byte swap) instruction have been available since the 80486.
Address space inversion can be done on a 80386.
The MOVBE (move big endian) instruction is available on Intel Atom and "Haswell" (their next generation chip). AMD will support it on "Jaguar" (next generation low power processor core - same that will be used by Playstation 4) and most likely their next generation high performance one.

It has been and still is relatively easy to support big endian accesses for x86 and by selecting a subset of processors it is even easier. Atom and "Jaguar" based computers would make an excellent target for porting.

In reply to the OP, I do agree a shift to ARM is needed, but I don't see it happening for OS4.

Discussing which CPU to use, ARM or X86, or why PPC is still a valid choice (not sure why, but people are welcome to their opinions) or breaking backwards compatibility, etc. is all sort of moot, since we don't have any influence as to what Hyperion does.

And I have assumed Hyperion has had hardware deals in place, hence the logic of staying with PPC in their eyes. You can't sell a $300 desktop with a $500+ add on cost for OS 4. But that could be wrong... it's something I figured was a way for them to recoup some costs in the past.

I do have some general questions though, as I haven't followed some things:

For MorphOS, are they currently moving to ARM? If not, is it simply due to lack of resources?

For Hyperion... how do they even make money anymore? Sales by now must have dwindled down quite a bit. Is it worth it to them to even lock up the OS anymore? Why not sell it to someone else, or just open source it?

And for both cases, if it's a lack of resources holding back porting to ARM/x86, why haven't either tried kickstarter?

@sundown

I do not see this point so problematic as you because all share the same API. There are differences in the GUI, Reaction on AmigaOS, MUI4 on MorphOS and Zune on Aros. The biggest problems are for those who use Reaction for GUI, when you use MUI there is not a big problem. The problems are propably more emotional because parts of the community are emotionally tied to their choice (that is the case for both users and developers) but that is another topic.

@sundown

as I said I do not know which applications you like, most 68k applications work in it and many other applications are available for more than one platform. There are of course AmigaOS only applications but the reasons for only supporting one platform is propably more emotional than technical.

68k Amiga apps can be run under x86 AROS via emulation by a simple double click. Granted its a different style of emulation to mos/os4.x, but for apps/games it works nicely. For 68k AROS no emulation is needed (unlike mos/os4.x).

This isnt to start any sort of off topic discussion in regards to pros/cons, simply to clarify.

To run x86 (or arm, or ppc, or x86-64) native versions of amiga software however you need to recompile, but this is true of os4.x and mos as well when it comes to native versions.

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@all

More of the same ....
The problem is not the processor to choose ...
It is exactly the same choice 68MK, PPC, X86, ARM, CELL .....
The solution is a core agnostic, well supported by a community and to be able to run on any hardware.

How hard is seeing this?

@drstrangelove

for simplicity and legacy reasons: 68k code?

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@wawa

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for simplicity and legacy reasons: 68k code?

Dead CPU architecture as common ground for dying OSs? I don´t think 68k is well suited for that task - modern CPU architectures need 64 bit, SMP and memory protection, that are realy hard tasks for 68k assuming main 68k platform is today WinUAE (single core, no MMU with JIT).

@wawa

.... more or less

I put only to emphasize the need to forget the name of the processor ....

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