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Jupp3 
Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 23-Jun-2013 10:40:36
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@RobertJDohnert

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he assumed OS4 was AmigaOS on x86 and wanted to know if the PowerPC binaries could run on the x86 version.

I can't really understand how there's confusion.

The vast majority of people understand clearly that "OS4" obviously refers to Apples iOS version 4.

(Although of course this trend has been falling a bit, considering that they're already at version 6)

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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 23-Jun-2013 11:31:54
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That's it...we should jump straight to the FIVE to avoid any confusion....hyperion are you listening!

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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 23-Jun-2013 14:45:19
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@RobertJDohnert

I think the main problem is that Amiga OS need some major funding to take it anywhere but you have to be slightly crazy to pump any money into it. That's why work is carried out in a very slow and piecemeal fashion.

It will be interesting to see your assessment and see how you feel about the whole situation in the coming months.

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Signal 
Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 23-Jun-2013 16:35:50
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@RobertJDohnert

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RobertJDohnert wrote:
It just seems a sad state of being when everything is so wrapped up legally and you have to contact 12 companies just to get something done.

Lawyers!
They don't want to know anything about what it takes to do business, they just want a cut off the
top for their pockets.

Roberto,

Had some more time to play with...er... your distro and it is nice. I do like
the default theme and the ability to easily add a launcher to the desktop is
something that is missing in some of the other 'modern' distros.

If indeed Trevor has interest in this, I think it might make a good choice as
a default pre-installed, or USB add-on Linux for A-EON products. Oh, and don't
forget about Acube, got one of those also.

Keep in touch with us about your ppc endevors. Looking forward to working with you.

@ People

It's a live DVD download. If you have the required x86 box, and HD room, give it
a try. Or just run the DVD.

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TheDungeonDelver 
Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 23-Jun-2013 19:16:40
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What I think would be great is if this new Linux direction was able to run OS4 virtualized, that way you'd have a good efficient modern OS capable of using both cores and all the functions of the x1k, plus actually modern applications, and when needed OS4 could be run by itself in a sandbox. Since you'd be virtualizing, not emulating, it should be pretty easy to implement. That way no dual booting, etc., plus when the inevitable weirdness happens that seems to screw up OS4 installs at random, rather than "pull the battery, connect to the serial port, etc.", just blow away the "broken" VM and start afresh.

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Rob 
Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 23-Jun-2013 20:32:13
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@TheDungeonDelver

I don't personally want to run my Amiga OS hosted and since it already runs fine on the X1000 it seems a little pointless. My Amiga OS installs have never randomly screwed up, at least not since the 68k days anyway and that may have been down to lack of experience i.g. an undiagnosed user error.

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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 23-Jun-2013 20:56:52
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@Rob

You'd have an OS using all of the x1k's resources (using as in utilizing at the right time, as opposed to the machine being gimped by the OS never, ever using 64-bit address space or the 2nd CPU), and be able to use Amiga OS4 when needed. What's so terrible about that?

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Rob 
Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 23-Jun-2013 21:09:14
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@TheDungeonDelver

I'm not interested in Linux and I think that resources would be better spent improving AmigaOS than turning it into some side feature.

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saimo 
Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 23-Jun-2013 21:12:15
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@RobertJDohnert

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That post has since been removed. It was an attempt to get Amiga Inc.s attention in terms of brand licensing

The post is back again. What game is this?

Quote:
It just seems a sad state of being when everything is so wrapped up legally and you have to contact 12 companies just to get something done.

For the Amiga brand one goes to Amiga Inc. and for AmigaOS one goes to Hyperion. Regarding the former, your proposal got rejected; regarding the latter you didn't even try - I guess you would have told us, otherwise. That's all there is to it, no need to make it so dramatic. But maybe you needed it for your image (more below).

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I intend to help the Amiga communtiy through A-EON, A-EON said they will help me port OS4 OpenLinux to PPC and i will hopefully be able to work with them and get some drivers ported to the Amiga OS, Help port some of the great apps we have in the linux world to the Amiga world.

In this FAQ on your website, dated Oct. 21, 2012, you say:
Quote:
Q) Will you offer a PowerPC version of OS4?
A) We did for a long time. Right now the problem is we dont have any PowerPC hardware. The other problem was that our server customers who used PPC have since migrated to x64. If we get the hardware or if someone wants to commit to the PPC platform for us then we would be more than willing to let them under license

So, regarding the PPC version, you went from "if others want, we'll let them (and maybe they'll have to pay) - but we won't move a finger" to "we will invest directly". May I ask why?
I'm asking because, instead, to me it seems that you're simply interested in the push that being (somehow) associated to the brand and the community can give to your product. My guess is that the contacts you received due to the naming coincidence let you realize the potential of the brand and the community (I had come to this conclusion by reading here, and it got strenghtened by the passage "I wish I had a community with as much passion and tenacity as the Amiga community." in the very same FAQ).
It is impossible to believe that you would do it just out of passion/magnanimity, since you barely know the platform (your experience with the Amiga is all in your opening post) and you know the community even less.

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Since Amiga Inc. and Hyperion dont seem to want to see the AmigaOS succeed and be seen as a true alternative, or allow at least the brand to succeed. Than i will do what i can as part of the community.

Where did you get this notion from? No business man wouldn't *want* to see his own brand succeed (unless the failure of the brand is necessary to a bigger success, that is, but that's not the case here).
From what you told us, Amiga Inc. refused to give you a license, but as you have yourself reported, that only means that they don't want the brand to be associated to a Linux distro. That's a totally different story and, moreover, has nothing to do with Hyperion.
Here it seems like you're trying to conquer the community heart by indirectly saying "They don't want, but instead I'd finally bring it to success", spicing it up with a touch of positive willingness.


Look, there's nothing bad in wanting to do business. You're free to try to get the brand and the community by your side. But, again, please be totally honest and transparent.

Last edited by saimo on 23-Jun-2013 at 10:14 PM.
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TheDungeonDelver 
Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 23-Jun-2013 21:34:34
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@Rob

Amiga OS is already dying on the vine. No SMP. No 64-bit support. At least going this route you'd have both AmigaOS at hand and a supported, fully-featured OS to run it "on".

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sundown 
Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 23-Jun-2013 21:59:04
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@TheDungeonDelver

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Amiga OS is already dying on the vine.

You could be right, beta updates every day, but none yesterday. I'm really starting to worry...

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Plaz 
Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 23-Jun-2013 22:30:56
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@pavlor

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Amiga and Linux in one sentence, that sounds like abomination to some of us.


It sounded great to me back in the day when the new Ami kernel was to be QNX.
Best of luck in your work with A-EON.


Plaz

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sundown 
Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 23-Jun-2013 22:33:11
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@mods

Shouldn't this thread be moved to the Amiga Inc. offshoot forum, along with the CUSA discussion?

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TheDungeonDelver 
Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 23-Jun-2013 23:31:17
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@sundown

Congratulations; you paid $3000 to be a betatester, and you still don't have the features I mentioned. Good lord why do Amiga users struggle so valiantly against forward progress.

Back when I used a C= Amiga we were proud of being leading edge. At least $1500 on an A2000 + goodies got you something better than the rest of the computing world...

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sundown 
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Posted on 23-Jun-2013 23:36:55
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@TheDungeonDelver

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Congratulations; you paid $3000 to be a betatester

Nope & don't ask...

You have no idea what we have...

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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 24-Jun-2013 0:01:54
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@sundown

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You have no idea what we have...


Do you ?

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Rob 
Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 24-Jun-2013 0:41:54
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@sundown

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Shouldn't this thread be moved to the Amiga Inc. offshoot forum, along with the CUSA discussion?


I don't think that's very welcoming to Robert. It's not like it's often that someone from the wider computing industry takes an interest here and tries to engage with us lot.
I don't know what Robert feels he can realistically achieve with Amiga branding and possible involvement with A-EON and Hyperion or whoever but it will be interesting to see what he comes up with.

Maybe he'll be able to bring something positive to the table or maybe he'll decide it isn't worth the time and money and return to business as usual. Whatever he does or doesn't do isn't exactly hurting whatever Amiga or offshoot system you're using right now.

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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 24-Jun-2013 3:42:23
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@saimo

+1 Simone, the 'truth' always come out

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blizz1220 
Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 24-Jun-2013 4:01:04
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@saimo

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Where did you get this notion from? No business man wouldn't *want* to see his own brand succeed (unless the failure of the brand is necessary to a bigger success, that is, but that's not the case here).


Are you completely sure that you're right about this ?

It is very often that someone would like to brand to fail and actively
invest in brand failing so he could later get that brand for himself
and only then , big maybe , start doing the right things to make it
succeed again.

Nobody can be completely sure about my point either.

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Re: OS4 OpenLinux: Regarding the Amiga Community
Posted on 24-Jun-2013 4:38:43
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@thread

Very entertaining.

btw-the logo has changed again.

Old one, relatively speaking is Roberto's current avatar:
http://amigaworld.net/userinfo.php?uid=12422

Latest change is here:
http://www.os4online.com

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